Social Site

[Gronthar]

I think FA should focus more on it's social aspects, or at least do a better job of separating the social part from the art part.

I think we should add the ability to toggle if you want to view posts to scraps from a person you've faved. I think scraps gets under-used because people want to share their doodles (why else would they upload it in the first place?) and they'd rather submit it as finished art than exile it to scraps where no one is ever going to see it.

I think "Journals" should be changed to "Scrapbook" and add the ability to post submissions to it. A lot of things get posted as art here that are meant to be more of a social thing than an art thing. Things like photos, memes, & screenshots would be better placed among journal entries. This action would also clean up the art stream a bit. like Scraps, I think users should have the ability to toggle if they want to subscribe to a person's journals or not.

Little number counts on the tabs for gallery, scraps, journals and whatnot would be nice as well.

Folders in gallery, scraps, & journals would be nice to have. Users could put their photo blog-ish stuff in a specific folder in their journals as well as have a specific folder for artistic photos in their gallery. A lot of stuff gets submitted as art that is simply stuff you would put in a real scrapbook that people just want to share and archive.

And I think there should be an extended user page with photos. But I think it should allow for multiple personas and custom fields. I.e. A tab for RL info you might want to share, and a tab each persona with a limit of 3-5 and the ability to have a "magic-type" field for each, etc.

Also, I would really like the ability to mark my profile, pages, gallery, and journal as visible only to FA members.

[blackdragoon]

I think "Journals" should be changed to "Scrapbook" and add the ability to post submissions to it. A lot of things get posted as art here that are meant to be more of a social thing than an art thing. Things like photos, memes, & screenshots would be better placed among journal entries. This action would also clean up the art stream a bit. like Scraps, I think users should have the ability to toggle if they want to subscribe to a person's journals or not.


i strongly disagree with this part of what you said. actually i disagree with the whole suggestion, i just dislike this part most of all.

[Wolfblade]

It's a matter of customization and convenience. Personally, I tend to like most ideas that give the users more ability to tailor their personal experience with the site more to their own liking. If users would like some little feature, and it isn't something that would interfere with anyone who would prefer to pass on it, then it should just be a matter of how hard it would be to implement.

I think a lot of those suggestions would be cool to have. They'd enhance the social aspects for users who come here for that, AND they get a lot of the secondary social non-art type stuff out of the way of people who prefer to view this as a strictly art-oriented site. Something to benefit everybody :3


i strongly disagree with this part of what you said. actually i disagree with the whole suggestion, i just dislike this part most of all.


Any particular reasons why? You know, to help foster discussion and stuff :3

[blackdragoon]

it makes things too complex for no reason at all. you know full well the site runs just fine as is. and if it aint broke don't fix it. (not including the ferrox update in this) i like the idea of making it better hence i support the next update as much as the next guy but this seems to outlandish to me. i like the way everything is setup now in terms of scraps and journals and what not. ofcourse this is just for discussion only, i don't and won't get dragged into one of your debates wolfblade.

[Hanazawa]

If you want to use livejournal, use livejournal. Or myspace, or whatever.

From the FAQ,
2.1
Q: What is FurAffinity?
A: FurAffinity (FA) is an online art community primarily catering to the furry fandom.

ART.

[blackdragoon]

i couldn't have said it better myself hanazawa.

[Wyrwulf]

Normally I'm all in favor of more options, but at some point customization turns into bloat and all the bells and whistles start to distract from the site's purpose. Which is the sharing, discussion, and mutual enjoyment of art.

[blackdragoon]

exactly!

[Gronthar]

Oh yes, I forgot that this was just a deviant art clone for furry porn. I'm just saying it could be a lot more than that and since the user base is already heading in that direction, why not accomidate it? People like you are already complaining about the sawmping of non-furry-art stuff in the site's general content. All I'm suggesting is modifying exsisting features slightly so as to channel the random junk away from the art content.

Yes, the profile thing and folders could be considered as "bloat," but I think the modifications to scraps and journals are really needed. Dragoneer's already expressed some interest in expanding the profiles so I see no problem in suggesting some ideas. Plus folders aresomething many users have expressed an interest in.

I understand if you want to be conservative and not want FA to change its focus, but all you need to do is just say so. Quoting the FAQ just irks me and only proves your narrow-mindedness.

[Hanazawa]

Wanting to see the site as a functional DA clone is close-minded, when the presented alternative is a really crappy livejournal/myspace clone? I lol, I lol.

The point I am making is that there are other websites that already cater to some of the requests you are making. If you want to scrapbook, post things in photobucket and link to them from your journal - you don't need special server space to do that. Do you want journals to be suddenly subject to the same rating system as artwork? That'd be obnoxious.

You say "just a deviant art clone for furry porn" as though that's all WE use it for - but I think you're projecting your own thoughts onto us, since you're the one so bent on removing non-"art" content from the uploads.

Comments, shouts, journals, and forum = sufficient community.

[Arshes Nei]

I'd rather they fix the other bugs first before they pile on new ones that mess up the site. That and fix the Submission Agreement and TOS.

[Wolfblade]

Wanting to see the site as a functional DA clone is close-minded, when the presented alternative is a really crappy livejournal/myspace clone?...

...You say "just a deviant art clone for furry porn" as though that's all WE use it for - but I think you're projecting your own thoughts onto us, since you're the one so bent on removing non-"art" content from the uploads.


*shrugs* He projected onto you, you projected onto him. He wants the site to be something you don't want it to be, while you want the site to be something he doesn't want it to be.

If they could implement optional features so that a user who wants the added community aspect can have them, but users who want to stay focused solely on the artwork can have their way as well, do you have any objection to that, and why?


The point I am making is that there are other websites that already cater to some of the requests you are making.


But those websites aren't >THIS< community. And deeper involvement in >THIS< community is what he is asking for.


Comments, shouts, journals, and forum = sufficient community.


That's one opinion. He has another. If he can be given the extra features he would like, while leaving you free to pass on them, what would be the problem?


I'd rather they fix the other bugs first before they pile on new ones that mess up the site. That and fix the Submission Agreement and TOS.


Of course. That doesn't mean people shouldn't still be allowed to make suggestions, though. Especially considering that people will never ever be happy with the ToS, while many are happy with the site itself, and some of these suggestions might make them happier.

[Hanazawa]

"If he doesn't like it here, he can leave."

Or does that only apply to people you don't like? :)

[Wolfblade]

"If he doesn't like it here, he can leave."

Or does that only apply to people you don't like? :)


A: he never said he doesn't like it here, only that he might like it more if it had this.

B: I've never said "if he doesn't like it here, he can leave."

What I'm sure you're referring to is that I have many times expressed confusion as to why any person or persons with a very strong and repeatedly proclaimed distaste for anything remotely labelled 'furry' would put so much effort into being on a >FURRY< website. There is a small but important difference between saying "if you don't like it, leave," which I have not said, and saying "if you are so completely disgusted by this place and the people it is meant to cater to, why are you here," which I have indeed said many times, but have never really gotten any answer.

So (as hard as it seems for some people to believe) it is not a matter of whether or not I like someone. I don't know him, so how can I like him, and I don't know you, so how could I dislike you? I agree or disagree with what people might say or do, but surely you don't believe that someone who disagrees with your opinion must simply dislike you personally.

To me, it's a matter of whether or not someone wants to be a part of this community. Since this is a furry community, I find it hard to believe that anyone who feels the need to include in every other post some condemnation of furry in general really has any interest in being a part of this community. That and I disapprove of people being jerks to each other for no reason, so yes, people who are frequently and repeatedly being such have gotten the idea that I have a problem with them personally when in fact it is just the behavior I have a problem with.

Also, you never answered the question. Do you have a problem with an option being added that you don't HAVE to use, if it makes some other users happier with the site and doesn't negatively impact your own use of it, and why?

[Hanazawa]

I am opposed to options to the site that make it needlessly similar to other sites. I recognize that "needless" is also an opinion. But if you want a site that functions exactly like myspace, I'm saying you should go use myspace. There are plenty of furries on myspace, and livejournal, and those other "social" sites.
I didn't respond to that question before because I felt that Arshes summed it up nicely: fix the stuff that doesn't work before you start adding more to the list of broken junk. Make priorities of that which already exists before you take new bells and whistles into consideration.

The current level of social access on this site is, in MY opinion, sufficient. And if users are allowed to post their opinions in this forum, I should certainly be allowed to present my opposing opinion without having every single point picked apart.

[blackdragoon]

*points at the title of this thread* hmm if you want a social site then come to the forums here on fa more often, since this is as social as it's gonna get. that is compared to the mainsite which is about the art more than anything else.

so let's review shall we? FA forums = social, and FA mainsite = art.

[Wolfblade]

I am opposed to options to the site that make it needlessly similar to other sites. I recognize that "needless" is also an opinion. But if you want a site that functions exactly like myspace, I'm saying you should go use myspace. There are plenty of furries on myspace, and livejournal, and those other "social" sites.
I didn't respond to that question before because I felt that Arshes summed it up nicely: fix the stuff that doesn't work before you start adding more to the list of broken junk. Make priorities of that which already exists before you take new bells and whistles into consideration.


First, thank you for responding like that. I much prefer holding a discussion with someone to just arguing with them. ^_^

I know a lot of people don't like it when a site they like is being disregarded as just a copycat of some other service. You seemed irritated when he dismissed FA as a DA clone, and you're right, it really isn't. But adding a feature or two that another service might be known for doesn't make FA any more a clone of that service than it is a clone of anything else right now.

I mean really, isn't it a little silly for a good idea or popular feature to be dismissed JUST because someone else did it first?

And thank you for clarifying that it isn't the only reason you dismiss the idea, cuz that was kinda how it looked before. I totally agree that adding new features should be set aside until the current ones work, but that's only a reason to not worry about a feature at the moment, not really a reason to dismiss a feature as not being a good idea eventually.


And if users are allowed to post their opinions in this forum, I should certainly be allowed to present my opposing opinion without having every single point picked apart.


Of course. And it bothers me that people seem to think I'm trying to get in the way of this.

Look, everyone can speak their mind here, the only restriction is that the staff tries to ask that people do so with some measure of maturity and civility. So long as people aren't being hostile, he's allowed to post his suggestions and opinions freely. You're allowed to disagree and present your opposing opinion. And anyone else is allowed to present an opinion disagreeing with your disagreement.

There's two ways this can go. Either everyone is JUST disagreeing with each other, and being rude, and that devolves into just fighting. But if people are giving reasons why they have the opinion they do, as you just did, then people can have a discussion about it. People for and against each suggestion can say what they do and don't like, and why, and with any luck, a discussion may lead to some idea or solution that makes both sides happy. Rather than a suggestion being made and either ignored completely, upsetting the one who made it, or taken as is, upsetting whoever didn't want it.

That to me, is the whole point of public forums to discuss possible site features.

But what happens too often is;

"Hey, I have an idea!"
"That's a stupid idea and I don't like it."
"yeah, well I DO like it."
"Then you're stupid."
"no you are!"
etc, etc.

What I do when people are accusing me of "picking their posts apart" is actually me trying to hold a discussion. A suggestion shouldn't be taken JUST because it was made, but a disagreement with it shouldn't dismiss the idea just because someone doesn't like it either. When I'm "picking apart someone's post" I am addressing each of the points they made, rather than just ignoring the reasonings they have and trying to just dismiss them entirely. If you feel someone is wrong, you should be able to explain why and how by addressing the points they make.

But then that's tl;dr, so the more popular thing to do is just dismiss the guy who talks too much cuz he MUST have some personal gripe with everyone. 9_9

In any case, thank you again for responding in a manner conducive to discussion, and not just fighting.

[Hanazawa]

First, thank you for responding like that. I much prefer holding a discussion with someone to just arguing with them. ^_^

Sure thing.


I mean really, isn't it a little silly for a good idea or popular feature to be dismissed JUST because someone else did it first?

I agree that it is silly to dismiss a good idea just because it's popular. It's probably popular for a reason. ;p In this case, though, the original poster was suggesting a number of features, not just one, and some of them seemed a little contradictory if you get into the nitty gritty details - if you want to be social, why make journal entries (etc) private? Livejournal (I keep using that example because it's a site I also use quite frequently) already has the option to keep personal things private, has a "scrapbook" thing for hosting images, and so on. Is it really that difficult to link to your livejournal from your FA journal? And so on. I personally don't understand the need to spend your entire time on the internet on a single website, but I guess I can concede that some people might want to... even if I really, really don't get the point.

If you feel someone is wrong, you should be able to explain why and how by addressing the points they make.


Also entirely true. I just think it's not worth the effort to discuss every single point (a person like myself can unintentionally trail off into several irrelevant directions). Just hit the main, most relevant points. Or, you can even address every single point in a more subtle way, like... just write a post that covers every issue. I don't think it's necessary to highlight the exact quote you're responding to, unless it's for emphasis. When I or someone else scrolls down the page and sees (quote) text (quote) text (quote) text... it VISUALLY comes across as nitpicking, even if it's being less picky than (quote) (really really huge block of text).

I wish there were a better way to get ideas across clearly AND be concise without using unwieldly words. :(

[Wolfblade]

I agree that it is silly to dismiss a good idea just because it's popular. It's probably popular for a reason. ;p In this case, though, the original poster was suggesting a number of features, not just one, and some of them seemed a little contradictory if you get into the nitty gritty details - if you want to be social, why make journal entries (etc) private? Livejournal (I keep using that example because it's a site I also use quite frequently) already has the option to keep personal things private, has a "scrapbook" thing for hosting images, and so on. Is it really that difficult to link to your livejournal from your FA journal? And so on. I personally don't understand the need to spend your entire time on the internet on a single website, but I guess I can concede that some people might want to... even if I really, really don't get the point.


Awesome. ^_^

As I read it, he wasn't so much asking for journals to be made private, but to have the option to make his pages viewable only to FA members. Since people can't actually post any comments without an account, the only reason I can think of for this would be in case someone just traipsing across the lol intarbutts stumbles on an FA page and realises it belongs to someone they know irl. Not a very likely thing, but hey, it HAS happened before, and furs have lost friends and even jobs over it, so I'd say it isn't something that should be dismissed off-hand.

Making journals completely private would seem kind of pointless given that services exist solely for that purpose. But giving the option to hide user pages from non-members would have a purpose. If it wouldn't be an incredible hassle (we can already hide images selectively from people not signed in), and wouldn't put undue pressure on site resources (I have no idea how that sort of thing would affect bandwidth and processing and all that), then it seems like there's at least some merit to the idea.

The other suggestions he made, if they were maybe a bit more fleshed out, I don't see as adding to the social and detracting from the art. They seem more to me to serve as separating the social aspects already bogging down the art side of the site from people who just want to focus on art and not see 30 pictures of JoeFur's kittycat, but without just completely taking away JoeFur's kitty from the many fans he has accumulated. :3

As for wanting everything on one site, well personally I like being able to go online and just deal with one website. As time consuming as it can be to keep up with things on FA alone, it'd be bothersome to have to also worry about keeping tabs on several other places. Kudos to people who participate on LJ, FA, DA, SA, YG, and any number of other places, but some of us just don't have the time X3


Also entirely true. I just think it's not worth the effort to discuss every single point (a person like myself can unintentionally trail off into several irrelevant directions). Just hit the main, most relevant points. Or, you can even address every single point in a more subtle way, like... just write a post that covers every issue. I don't think it's necessary to highlight the exact quote you're responding to, unless it's for emphasis. When I or someone else scrolls down the page and sees (quote) text (quote) text (quote) text... it VISUALLY comes across as nitpicking, even if it's being less picky than (quote) (really really huge block of text).


I usually like hitting all the points for two reasons; for one, it feels disrespectful for me to just ignore a point someone went to the trouble of making if your intent is to try and hold a discussion on something. The other reason being that otherwise people accuse you of skipping over the bits you can't counter and use that to ignore the ones you did counter. Not that that doesn't happen anyway..

I tend to respond to each point one at a time just so it's more clear what exactly I'm addressing. I see your point though in how it appears visually, and appreciate you pointing that out to me as I hadn't seen it that way. I'll try doing things in larger batches then and see how that goes over with people.


I wish there were a better way to get ideas across clearly AND be concise without using unwieldly words. :(


Sometimes there really just isn't.

If it's a choice between being concise and getting misunderstood, or being wordy and ignored for tl;dr, I'd rather be tl;dr. People misunderstanding my words because I wasn't clear enough is a fault on me. People misunderstanding me just because they can't be bothered to read what I actually said, but are still intent on finding fault with it just beause I'm the one who said it, well, that's their issue.

[Arshes Nei]

Actually I think it is entirely possible to present a point without it being stretched out needlessly, that's the reason for the word...ummm concise

The point is when you add in too much, people will glaze over because you're trying to over represent your point and it can equally be misunderstood. It may also have nothing to do with "glazing because it's tl;dr" - it's called over empahsizing parts that can be deemed irrelevant. Overdrawn and/or misunderstood or inappropriate analogies do not help construct points, they actually ruin them.

However, back to the original point, often times too many new features are introduced into FA and old ones were never resolved.

[Litre]

fix current bugs/issues before dumping more onto the plate.

[Wolfblade]

The purpose of a suggestion discussion forum would be (presumably) to discuss suggestions. Obviously the staff does not feel that suggestions for new features should be silenced while old ones are still being worked on, since this forum exists. So stop trying to derail the thread by telling people they can't make suggestions for new features until the current features are fixed.

"The features they have already don't work" is not in any way relevant to a discussion on the merits or drawbacks of potential suggested features for the future. Nobody is discussing when features should be implemented, this forum is for people to discuss features they might like to be implemented at some point, and it is the staff's decision whether or not to implement them, not yours or mine.

[Arshes Nei]

I don't think people are derailing the thread by saying "We'd like these suggestions and bugs fixed" before implementing something more complicated.

I think that's a valid concern actually.

[Wolfblade]

Yes, its a valid concern to want current problems fixed before implementing new ones.

This thread however, isn't the place for it.

The suggestion box is for people to make suggestions, and to allow users to then discuss the merits and drawbacks of those suggestions. Nowhere does it say or imply that there is any obligation for the site to use any suggestion made, nor does it suggest or imply a time frame.

"Fix the current bugs before adding new stuff" is a valid, but separate, suggestion, and has no bearing on THIS suggestion. So repeatedly using that reasoning to try and dismiss THIS or ANY suggestion is thread derailing in that it is trying to end discussion of this thread's topic.

If you feel the need to express your opinion that suggestions should be set aside until the present problems are fixed, go make your own thread stating such, rather than stifling peoples' ability to use this forum for its intended purpose by forcing your one suggestion to overshadow everyone else's.

[Arshes Nei]

Yes, its a valid concern to want current problems fixed before implementing new ones.

This thread however, isn't the place for it.

The suggestion box is for people to make suggestions, and to allow users to then discuss the merits and drawbacks of those suggestions. Nowhere does it say or imply that there is any obligation for the site to use any suggestion made, nor does it suggest or imply a time frame.


You just invalidated your own argument.

[Wolfblade]

Yes, its a valid concern to want current problems fixed before implementing new ones.

This thread however, isn't the place for it.

The suggestion box is for people to make suggestions, and to allow users to then discuss the merits and drawbacks of those suggestions. Nowhere does it say or imply that there is any obligation for the site to use any suggestion made, nor does it suggest or imply a time frame.


You just invalidated your own argument.


Nope, actually, that bit validates my argument.

"They have other stuff to fix first" is not touching the merits or drawbacks of THIS suggestion, and thus does not belong in THIS thread.

That point is only valid to a discussion on when a feature is implemented, with no bearing on the feature itself.

And you're still derailing the thread.

[Arshes Nei]

Yes, its a valid concern to want current problems fixed before implementing new ones.

This thread however, isn't the place for it.

The suggestion box is for people to make suggestions, and to allow users to then discuss the merits and drawbacks of those suggestions. Nowhere does it say or imply that there is any obligation for the site to use any suggestion made, nor does it suggest or imply a time frame.


You just invalidated your own argument.


Nope, actually, that bit validates my argument.

"They have other stuff to fix first" is not touching the merits or drawbacks of THIS suggestion, and thus does not belong in THIS thread.

That point is only valid to a discussion on when a feature is implemented, with no bearing on the feature itself.

And you're still derailing the thread. *edited note* pot calling kettle?


No, it's not derailment when given certain features are still not fixed, or have been unsuccessful, whether or not it can be implemented because of a former track record of not fixing other bugs IS a valid concern or drawback to this suggestion.

The fact it can complicate things coding/programming on this site is a drawback. This is a technical drawback. Most other sites have experienced BLOAT and slowdown due to performance and strain. Most of these providers that do have it are more efficient because they have many backup servers to help during usage as well.

I was concise because repeating these issues or getting into schematics would be too tiresome for the users.

[Wolfie]

I think FA should focus more on it's social aspects, or at least do a better job of separating the social part from the art part.

I think we should add the ability to toggle if you want to view posts to scraps from a person you've faved. I think scraps gets under-used because people want to share their doodles (why else would they upload it in the first place?) and they'd rather submit it as finished art than exile it to scraps where no one is ever going to see it.

I think "Journals" should be changed to "Scrapbook" and add the ability to post submissions to it. A lot of things get posted as art here that are meant to be more of a social thing than an art thing. Things like photos, memes, & screenshots would be better placed among journal entries. This action would also clean up the art stream a bit. like Scraps, I think users should have the ability to toggle if they want to subscribe to a person's journals or not.

Little number counts on the tabs for gallery, scraps, journals and whatnot would be nice as well.

Folders in gallery, scraps, & journals would be nice to have. Users could put their photo blog-ish stuff in a specific folder in their journals as well as have a specific folder for artistic photos in their gallery. A lot of stuff gets submitted as art that is simply stuff you would put in a real scrapbook that people just want to share and archive.

And I think there should be an extended user page with photos. But I think it should allow for multiple personas and custom fields. I.e. A tab for RL info you might want to share, and a tab each persona with a limit of 3-5 and the ability to have a "magic-type" field for each, etc.

Also, I would really like the ability to mark my profile, pages, gallery, and journal as visible only to FA members.


I really want to be able to have scraps show up in my new submissions page too. I watch people for a reason, you know, and I didn't realize at first that there were a lot of submissions from them that I wasn't seeing.

Most of the other suggestions seem good to me too. I mean did the people disagreeing even read them? He's not saying more social stuff and less art, he's asking for means to separate the social stuff people are already doing from the art that's getting drowned out. I like these suggestions because we don't have to see all the social stuff if we don't want to, but it doesn't take anything away from the people who DO like all that.

[Arshes Nei]

I really want to be able to have scraps show up in my new submissions page too. I watch people for a reason, you know, and I didn't realize at first that there were a lot of submissions from them that I wasn't seeing.


Actually that was the whole reason for scraps, and the defining name. There were submissions people didn't want in the recents page because it wasn't considered a completed work or whatever reason don't want the general audince seeing them when they browse but consider it a "bonus" when you watch them because they do show up in the submissions message center. So when users watch others, (in other sites you could watch their scraps tab as an option) they do have an option of seeing that person's scraps if so desired.

[Wolfblade]

*edited note* pot calling kettle?


You're derailing, I'm trying to get you to stop so the thread can get back on track. There's difference.


No, it's not derailment when given certain features are still not fixed, or have been unsuccessful, whether or not it can be implemented because of a former track record of not fixing other bugs IS a valid concern or drawback to this suggestion.

The fact it can complicate things coding/programming on this site is a drawback. This is a technical drawback. Most other sites have experienced BLOAT and slowdown due to performance and strain. Most of these providers that do have it are more efficient because they have many backup servers to help during usage as well.


All of that is a GENERAL drawback to ANY suggestion made at this time, and that is why I say it is derailing to post it as an individual drawback to each suggestion. In doing so, you are forcing your opinion (that no suggestions should be considered right now) to over-ride the opinion of the staff site to the contrary (established by the existence of this forum).


I was concise because repeating these issues or getting into schematics would be too tiresome for the users.


Your being concise left out the reasoning which you felt validated your statement, reducing it to simply disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Now that you have further established the reasonings for your statements, it can be made clear exactly why they are inappropriate and invalid to be thrown into each and every individual suggestion.

Now kindly move your separate suggestion into its own thread and let us get THIS thread back on track.


I really want to be able to have scraps show up in my new submissions page too. I watch people for a reason, you know, and I didn't realize at first that there were a lot of submissions from them that I wasn't seeing.

Most of the other suggestions seem good to me too. I mean did the people disagreeing even read them? He's not saying more social stuff and less art, he's asking for means to separate the social stuff people are already doing from the art that's getting drowned out. I like these suggestions because we don't have to see all the social stuff if we don't want to, but it doesn't take anything away from the people who DO like all that.


Exactly. His suggestions were geared primarily towards making a clearer distinction between the art and social aspects of the site, while not denying either side anything they already have. These suggestions, if doable, are actually more validated by the complaints against them in that all the reasoning used to dimiss it would actually be better satisfied if some of these features were put in place. ^_^

[Arshes Nei]

*edited note* pot calling kettle?


You're derailing, I'm trying to get you to stop so the thread can get back on track. There's difference.


Please stop acting like a moderator, your'e not one.

I already explained several times why this is a drawback.

[Wolfblade]

Actually that was the whole reason for scraps, and the defining name. There were submissions people didn't want in the recents page because it wasn't considered a completed work or whatever reason don't want the general audince seeing them when they browse but consider it a "bonus" when you watch them because they do show up in the submissions message center. So when users watch others, (in other sites you could watch their scraps tab as an option) they do have an option of seeing that person's scraps if so desired.


Right, scrap was made to separate unfinished works, a nifty feature. It would be made better by giving people the option of having scraps show up in their update page just as regular submissions do. That way, people who want to see the scraps along with finished works can, and people who don't want to see scraps, get to have their way as well.

If there's an option to watch scraps already, I missed that, and would be appreciative if you could point it out.


Please stop acting like a moderator, your'e not one.



*edited note* pot calling kettle?


Can we drop it please? Discussion is moving on, so learn and move on, right?

[Wolfie]

Wait a minute...so there's an option to watch someone's Scraps? I don't see it...

[wut]

...I always get people's scraps in my message center just by hitting +watch.

[Wolfblade]

That's interesting...

Could we get a staffmember comment on whether it's another selectively functional feature? Like are scraps supposed to show up in the message centers with regular submissions by default, or not? I know people have said they failed to recieve submission updates from what I've put in scraps, and I've had artists on watch whose scraps don't show up in my message center either. Same with Wolfie.

Either way, the suggestion still stands as it would be nice to have the option to turn scraps on or off depending on individual user preference, rather than having default on or off or randomly determined as seems to maybe be the case presently.

[Hanazawa]

I was wondering what people were on about with scraps not showing up in their inboxes, because I've been getting them and I know at least some people have been seeing mine.

Seconding the request for staff/dev comments on this issue.

[Wolfie]

...I always get people's scraps in my message center just by hitting +watch.


Really? Hmmm...

Scraps never show up in my message center. I've always had to check them manually...

[wut]

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/1188/untitled2ql9.th.png (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2ql9.png)

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/9853/untitled3bx6.th.png (http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled3bx6.png)

[Wolfblade]

Right, nobody was questioning whether or not some people >were< recieveing scraps in the message center, we were saying some of us >weren't< recieving them, and asking for a staff-type person to clarify which way the feature is meant to work, and why it seems to do one or the other for different people.

^_^

[Wolfie]

Yeah, what Wolfblade said. ^^;

I didn't mean for my post to come across as sounding skeptical of wut's post or anything. I just figured it might be a site bug or something with my account. ^^