[NewfDraggie]

A hundred ping is the same as dedicated servers, if it is 100ms ping then you're complaining about absolutely nothing. I'm saying your estimation of 20-40 is total bs.

Also i don't think you can read very well, from his link it doesn't say $50. It says $59.99, that's $60 just so you know.

[Ishnuvalok]

Originally Posted by NewfDraggie

A hundred ping is the same as dedicated servers, if it is 100ms ping then you're complaining about absolutely nothing. I'm saying your estimation of 20-40 is total bs.

Also i don't think you can read very well, from his link it doesn't say $50. It says $59.99, that's $60 just so you know.

$59.99 for the CONSOLE version.

$49.99 for the PC version.

I don't think you can read well~

Whenever I play on my favorite servers on CoD4, my average ping is between 30-60. 100 is minor lag, enough to make me put off a server.

[NewfDraggie]

Sure your average ping is 30-60, sure it is. 100ms is laggy, xD your eyes can't actually see that lag, the point where you'll notice lag is about 120-150 and even then if -that- puts you off on server that's your fault. I play on -every- server with 150 ping and I easily top scoreboards, it's not hard and the lag isn't even noticeable. If you think 100 is bad then you're crutch.

[Ishnuvalok]

Originally Posted by NewfDraggie

Sure your average ping is 30-60, sure it is. 100ms is laggy, xD your eyes can't actually see that lag. It's physically impossible.

On all my favorite servers I get an average ping around 30-60ms.

It varies from game to game, but it's not what the eye sees, it's what registers as hits, that's where it starts to have trouble. Stuff like sniping gets harder the higher your ping gets, around 100 for me I've noticed that shots that should have hit and killed, didn't even register as hits.

[Alvine33]

Am I being trolled?

Originally Posted by NewfDraggie

Guess you guys have different versions of the game than I have, or you're just yankin' my chain.

That link shows bad company 2 for me, if you meant cod4 then you're a little late. Seeing as it's almost 2010 and cod4 came out in 2007.

I bought my COD4 off steam for $60. It was $60 several months after launch. All PC games are $60. You're so full of shit, yet again.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ame=2K%20GAMES
http://www.gamestop.com/browse/searc...%20company%202

[Shark_the_raptor]

Originally Posted by CryoScales

The CEO of Activision wishes it was more.

Someone shat in his coffee one too many times.

[Ishnuvalok]

Originally Posted by Alvine33

Am I being trolled?

No, Newf just really, really, really doesn't like admitting that he is wrong.

[Rel]

Its actually pretty surprising on how you guys are reacting over this game, but I can definitely see why some people would be upset with the PC version of the game. Some of your debating issues are a little.... absurd, like your charts (The first one was obviously biased, as MW2 was marked worse than CoD4 when they had some of the same options, as the second one was, with the exaggerated claims and repetition to the first chart.)

Most of you guys are worried about a 100ms lag difference in a LAN match? Well, one second is 1000ms, and really, if you can shoot a bullet in 1/1000ths of a second, actually, that isnt even possible from the animation of the bullet, the timing coding, and the distance from the target. The only time it really would matter (even if you could pull it off), is if you were literally next to a person and you impossibly shot a bullet 1/1000ths of a second faster than the other person.

We could even go on to discuss the LAN connections, 100Base-T, 1000Base-T, or 10,000Base-T connections, and the switch type and speed, but really, why does it matter? I really don't think 1/100ths of a second would even matter, let alone you wouldn't be able to even see it.

IWNET, for all PC users, fucked them over hard, with banning listen servers, etc. This turned many people off of the PC version, which i can see why, but if you wanted to play with your clan, or just among friends, you can just make a private match. Sure, you can't get into anything like TFP or C2, on TF2, but, Its the best feasible alternative to it.

The price cost for other countries is mostly just huge BS on Activision's part, $100 for a game that only costs $60 in the US? That's really just bullshit. But people worrying about an extra $10 in the US is just sad. Is it really that bad to pay a console price for a PC game? When its only $10?, That's nothing to worry over. Is it the end of the world if you spend $10 more dollars? And really, if it does matter that you can't pay an extra $10, then you should be more worried about your budget, than a game that will drop in price after a while.

Other than those 3 "problems", I don't see anything else wrong with it, unless it was extremely over hyped, and it ends up just failing, which, from the videos I've seen, hasn't happened yet. For the 360 and PS3, there really isn't anything wrong with online, because all of the same features from COD4 are still there. And besides, look toward the better features of CoDMW2, like SP, MP additions, etc, instead of just scrutinizing every little detail possible.

/My2cents

[Runefox]

unless it was extremely over hyped

hasn't happened yet

What rock have you been living under? People are hyping the game left and right. And frankly, the whole IWNet thing (and the controversial ads and scenes in the game) has only brought more publicity to the game.

[Rel]

Originally Posted by Runefox

What rock have you been living under? People are hyping the game left and right. And frankly, the whole IWNet thing (and the controversial ads and scenes in the game) has only brought more publicity to the game.

Someone didn't read the whole line.

unless it was extremely over hyped, and it ends up just failing, which, from the videos I've seen, hasn't happened yet

I can also quote that "it" was referred to earlier as the game itself

[Maikeru]

The whole mess that is the PC version is admittedly a shame--turning it into a clone of the console version? Really? ...But it ultimately doesn't effect me much, so I guess it's not a factor in my enthusiasm. I'm a console gamer when it comes to pretty much any multi-platform release, with the exception of Valve's games... So it isn't really playing a factor in my purchase.

Having said that, I'm glad that this is getting more and more people to look at Bad Company 2 as well... I'm pretty excited for that game as well.

[LotsOfNothing]

Originally Posted by Ishnuvalok

$59.99 for the CONSOLE version.

$49.99 for the PC version.

I don't think you can read well~

Whenever I play on my favorite servers on CoD4, my average ping is between 30-60. 100 is minor lag, enough to make me put off a server.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/10180/

That looks like it says 59.99.

Originally Posted by Rel

But people worrying about an extra $10 in the US is just sad. Is it really that bad to pay a console price for a PC game? When its only $10?, That's nothing to worry over. Is it the end of the world if you spend $10 more dollars? And really, if it does matter that you can't pay an extra $10, then you should be more worried about your budget, than a game that will drop in price after a while.

You don't seem to see the fact that Activision expects PC gamers to pay production royalties, as they do with consoles. Something that PC gamers have never had to do, because the software isn't licensed to a specific console.

[Alvine33]

Originally Posted by LotsOfNothing

http://store.steampowered.com/app/10180/

That looks like it says 59.99.

Newf said that all PC games were $60, not just MW2. Ishnuvalok was talking about the other games.

Again, Newf:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ame=2K%20GAMES
http://www.gamestop.com/browse/searc...%20company%202

$50 for the PC versions, $60 for consoles. Just admit you're wrong.

[LotsOfNothing]

Originally Posted by Alvine33

Newf said that all PC games were $60, not just MW2.

Oh, so you're bullshitting semantics here.


o btw he's also canadian.

[Runefox]

Damn Americans and your $49.99/59.99 games. Here, it's $59.99/69.99. Grumble grumble.

[Alvine33]

Originally Posted by LotsOfNothing

Oh, so you're bullshitting semantics here.

How is that semantics? He said it pretty clear that all PC games were $60.

Fine on the Canada point. But you'd think he would've said something after I gave him 3 links to American websites. :V

[NewfDraggie]

Originally Posted by Ishnuvalok

No, Newf just really, really, really doesn't like admitting that he is wrong.

Even so, I didn't see it there at all and I guess I didn't look for it for a few reasons. One I first played cod4 on the 360 and only later got in on the PC when it was actually dieing in popularity. Console version doesn't have any lean, I know that for sure, so I assumed it didn't have it either. I agree with taking the lean out, it's lame, it's being removed from most FPS' for a few reasons, consoles don't get it so why should PC get it, and it's honestly unrealistic in the way they lean in most FPS' anyway. There's maybe a handful of games I know of where the "lean" was proper, MGS4 and Splinter Cell Double Agent to name two.

You people believe that the games should be completely different? Hell you're saying that with 100ping you can't play, which is honestly hilarious. It means you -have- to have everything in your favor or else you can't kill anything; if you have a tiny amount more ping you ragequit. It's not the lag, it's simply you can't play at all. Try every server at >100 ping at all times and still getting good scores before complaining about your lag at >100 ping. It's pretty pathetic, like by a large amount too; you play with a ping advantage crutch or else you don't play at all.

[LotsOfNothing]

Originally Posted by Alvine33

Fine on the Canada point. But you'd think he would've said something after I gave him 3 links to American websites. :V

It's Newf.


'nuff said.

[Neybulot]

Originally Posted by NewfDraggie

You people believe that the games should be completely different? Hell you're saying that with 100ping you can't play, which is honestly hilarious. It means you -have- to have everything in your favor or else you can't kill anything; if you have a tiny amount more ping you ragequit. It's not the lag, it's simply you can't play at all. Try every server at >100 ping at all times and still getting good scores before complaining about your lag at >100 ping. It's pretty pathetic, like by a large amount too; you play with a ping advantage crutch or else you don't play at all.

Personally, I believe 100ms should be fine for servers that are about 200+ miles from you. I'd also say that would depend based on an internet connection though. Also, I really really doubt you're getting good scores ALL the time at 100ms. You could be used to playing at that ping for all we know.

The base for this argument is that if it's 100ms locally...Which IW hasn't exactly clearly stated...(They just called it an average. But do they mean an average for country-side to country-side or within 100 or so miles?)

I personally wouldn't play a game where it's 100ms within 100 miles.

To sum it up, that's the real argument here. If we're talking 100ms pings close, we're talking even worse connecting farther out. Heck, I can play with people in the UK and get a 150ms ping on TF2. It's sounding like that would be 250 or so on MW2.

[NewfDraggie]

I in newfoundland, for a ping to be lower than 100 is rare. Very rare.
I'm usually between 100 and 150, anymore in an FPS it becomes too hard to hit things. But 150 or below I do what I always do. If you complain about 100 I would probably laugh at you relentlessly.

You can not get 100ms locally. It's impossible. Coming to that conclusion doesn't even make sense? Who said that local play had 100ms ping? lol p2p technology in a game must increase the distance between you and your local friend(s) somehow.

It's impossible that you'll be getting higher pings from the same distances just because of this technology. For one you won't even know where they are, and it will slot you in with low-ping players automatically. There won't be a search for all "servers", it'll just be a queue. So you'll never actually know if it's 100ms at 100miles, it'll just be xx(x)ms ping and you'll never notice it. It's far, far better than a dedicated server in many ways, I'm assuming they'll carry over the friends list and allow you to queue up for matches with all your friends.

[Slade]

Meh. I'm more looking forward to Bioshock 2 and Assassin's Creed 2.

[NewfDraggie]

Originally Posted by Slade

Meh. I'm more looking forward to Bioshock 2 and Assassin's Creed 2.

I'm with the latter, can't wait for Assassins Creed 2.

[Holsety]

I would look forward to Assassin's Creed if it didn't have the most annoying ads ever.

[Ishnuvalok]

Originally Posted by Slade

Meh. I'm more looking forward to Bioshock 2 and Assassin's Creed 2.

Assassins Creed 2? Oh fuck yes. I liked AC, although the repetitiveness was extremely annoying, and downright boring at times. But otherwise it was real fun.

[bennyboy1995]

assassins creed was boring might get it for psp