Fur Affinity/Furocity Joining Forces

[Cain]

Are the just the mainsites merging? Or will each site's forum merge together? (Please no :c)

[Xenke]

The people's voice sure does matter, sure it's Dragoneer's site but without his users he's nothing, everyone should be allowed to voice his opinion, certainly about something as big as this. People thought the two sites would become one, wich would be stupid since furocity is largely dead and horribly structured, ALOT of people would leave if this happened, contrary to what you think, the two sites becoming one would be a very, very bad move for furaffinity's sake.

1) Read what I said about an ingrained community. Look back at past "scandals" and see how that affected the userbase. It's a phenomenon in business where they can literally do whatever they want and still be successful. Even if 'Neer chose an option which most people didn't like, the userbase isn't going anywhere.

2) Businesses cannot function properly if it's customers are calling all the shots. They know what they would like to see the company do from an outward perspective, but they don't understand how it affects things from an inward perspective. Let's say there was a branch of a chain store in your town. Everyone loves it. Now let's say that despite that, it isn't getting enough business to stay profitable and the company wants to close it down. By the customer's decision, the company would have to keep open this ailing branch. Bad for business.

3) Since it sounds like FA is not adopting Furocity's community and structure, that's exactly what I'm talking about with the user's not having enough knowledge on the subject to make a decision. That assumption alone could get FA all riled up and stop what could easily be a very good step forward for FA. So, uhh, yea... thanks for proving my original point.

[Foxenawolf]

Do Want DO WANT! I dont quite know what this will mean in the long run, but i HOPE one thing will come of it is designated chatrooms. Hopefully with the pooling of minds we might get something akin to (dare i say it) Deviantart's chat system. I was always sad to see that lacking and i think it would be a great idea to have chatrooms for multiple categories, one section for various roleplay chats, (for the roleplayers) One for plain old artist discussions maybe divided into subcategories, and one for Startup, intermediate, and advanced artists to interact with potential clients in real time and get more exposure based on skill level.

of course this is just my 2 cents, i see how beautifully furocity's galleries are laid out as well and i can see only bright things.

*gets on knees* are chatrooms likely in the future Dragoneer? please please PLEEAAAASE? (OH HEY an app for us iphone and ipad users would be awesome too.... okay im pushing it, i'll shut up now)

im so excited for the changes to those of you who fear change just think of the potential of how it will IMPROVE FA.

[Clayton]

Does furocity have a mascot that Fender and Rednef can hug?

Furocity's got a really cool robo-vixen mascot. I wonder if this will make a robo-Fender..

http://en.wikifur.com/w/images/3/3d/Furocity.png

[Sciggles]

Yes, but it's also a user-based supported site. Notice how it needs donations to run? I'm pretty sure Dragoneer wouldn't pay for this thing entirely himself year after year. It's a government. Without the people, it collapses.

Have YOU donated lately? The only donations they take are mail in. The rest comes from adds and Neer's pocket >

[Daemonshyai]

I suppose I really should throw my hat in the ring here, just to clear up as much as I possibly can.

First, the sites themselves are staying completely separate. What we are doing is combining our respective resources. FA will still be FA. Furocity will still be Furocity.

FA is gaining a group of excellent administrators, which will bring fair, impartial, and timely moderation. FA is also gaining a new programming staff, intent on finding and fixing problems, as well as working on a true update (read: recode) for FA, including many of the features that everyone has been clamoring for (journal favoriting, commission tracking, and more).

No one on FA or Furocity will have to change their usernames. The only real change that users will most likely see (at least until the real coding begins) is an decreased turnaround time when they have problems.

Hopefully this will assuage a few of your fears.

[Rhazafax]

It is indeed, but the site still runs on users, you need to keep the users happy, last I know FA takes an insane amount of money to run on, doubtingly he would ever scrape up that much at the end of the year every year without donations.

Users not happy = leaving = boycotting = donations drop = FA gonna die sooner or later

I sincerely doubt this kind of thing will happen. Users are on FA because they like FA. And since the two sites are remaining independent, it's not an issue. In my humble opine, I think "what if"ing should be kept to a minimum for now. There's obviously a lot for the two Owners to discuss still.

[Draken_The_Dragon]

No company owner is expected to take a poll asking every last one of his employees whether a merger would be a good idea or not. You do not get special rights of power and opinion when joining a website. You're free to express yourself however you like, but that doesn't mean anyone has to listen.

Now out of sheer curiosity; I'd like to know why you find Furocity so horrifying? Are there tangible reasons for your dislike, or is it simply another excuse to rage over this whole situation?

Gotta love being ganged up on for opinions..
Never said I demanded I be listened to (though that would be great, being a user, but one among thousands)

It's my, again, opinion, that I don't like the site. Great thing is, like you said, I don't have to listen

[insane_kangaroo]

I suppose I really should throw my hat in the ring here, just to clear up as much as I possibly can.

First, the sites themselves are staying completely separate. What we are doing is combining our respective resources. FA will still be FA. Furocity will still be Furocity.

FA is gaining a group of excellent administrators, which will bring fair, impartial, and timely moderation. FA is also gaining a new programming staff, intent on finding and fixing problems, as well as working on a true update (read: recode) for FA, including many of the features that everyone has been clamoring for (journal favoriting, commission tracking, and more).

No one on FA or Furocity will have to change their usernames. The only real change that users will most likely see (at least until the real coding begins) is an increased turnaround time when they have problems.

Hopefully this will assuage a few of your fears.

That's not called a merger, that's called a co-op... sharing resources (people, property)

[Syntex]

I sincerely doubt this kind of thing will happen. Users are on FA because they like FA. And since the two sites are remaining independent, it's not an issue. In my humble opine, I think "what if"ing should be kept to a minimum for now. There's obviously a lot for the two Owners to discuss still.

Of course, I know their not going to merge, but for future reference, I'm just saying, I like that FA is going to get better with the staff of Furocity coming over.

All I'm wondering is why this took an entire year to agree upon....

[Draken_The_Dragon]

Have YOU donated lately? The only donations they take are mail in. The rest comes from adds and Neer's pocket >

have you sucked up enough? I don't give a crap about your hurt ego because I said something RESPECTABLY SMART about your boyfriend. Get off you're high horse and stop reading my posts as attacking. But yea, I have AND noticed its ADS. Not entirely his pocket.

[Vexor Shadewing]

I'm not sure whether or not I should be pissed or not,I mean,we were never asked if we wanted this,so,utter disregard for users of both sites,but,I'll agree this could be a positive change for both sites...Just so long as moderators and users aren't going to be confused by new rules.

[dopy]

1) Read what I said about an ingrained community. Look back at past "scandals" and see how that affected the userbase. It's a phenomenon in business where they can literally do whatever they want and still be successful. Even if 'Neer chose an option which most people didn't like, the userbase isn't going anywhere.

2) Businesses cannot function properly if it's customers are calling all the shots. They know what they would like to see the company do from an outward perspective, but they don't understand how it affects things from an inward perspective. Let's say there was a branch of a chain store in your town. Everyone loves it. Now let's say that despite that, it isn't getting enough business to stay profitable and the company wants to close it down. By the customer's decision, the company would have to keep open this ailing branch. Bad for business.

3) Since it sounds like FA is not adopting Furocity's community and structure, that's exactly what I'm talking about with the user's not having enough knowledge on the subject to make a decision. That assumption alone could get FA all riled up and stop what could easily be a very good step forward for FA. So, uhh, yea... thanks for proving my original point.

1) Trust me, people would leave if something like this would happen.

2) FA isn't a business and neer relies on donations, without users there's no donations, without donations there's no FA

3) I know it's not merging, i'm just saying if it "were" merging, and no, again, this would be a very bad choice for FA, not a "good step forward".

[Williamca]

Agreed, 'merger' is the incorrect term for this. It is a coop in which resources are shared. You know what I have yet to see? What furocity gaining from this.

[Rhazafax]

You know what I have yet to see? What furocity gaining from this.

Traffic.

[VanillaDoggo]

in during shitstorm of manchildren who don't know how to accept change and adjust.

[dopy]

Agreed, 'merger' is the incorrect term for this. It is a coop in which resources are shared. You know what I have yet to see? What furocity gaining from this.

free publicity, duh.

[wolfbeast]

If this means that FA will actually get the website/web programming expertise I've seen over on Furocity, then it's definitely a good thing.

[Ozriel]

have you sucked up enough? I don't give a crap about your hurt ego because I said something RESPECTABLY SMART about your boyfriend. Get off you're high horse and stop reading my posts as attacking. But yea, I have AND noticed its ADS. Not entirely his pocket.

1) Keep it civil.

2) She is right, The Donations from FA are sent by mail. And since not a lot of users donate to FA it, most comes out of the head Admin's pocket. With Ads, it is still not enough to cover the cost of the necessities that keep the site afloat.


So chill.

[FennyK]

I suppose I really should throw my hat in the ring here, just to clear up as much as I possibly can.

First, the sites themselves are staying completely separate. What we are doing is combining our respective resources. FA will still be FA. Furocity will still be Furocity.

FA is gaining a group of excellent administrators, which will bring fair, impartial, and timely moderation. FA is also gaining a new programming staff, intent on finding and fixing problems, as well as working on a true update (read: recode) for FA, including many of the features that everyone has been clamoring for (journal favoriting, commission tracking, and more).

No one on FA or Furocity will have to change their usernames. The only real change that users will most likely see (at least until the real coding begins) is an decreased turnaround time when they have problems.

Hopefully this will assuage a few of your fears.

Only thing I haven't had answered: are rules carrying over? Yes or no. If yes, what ones?

[Zaelfoxxie]

I love how this is the first news of this and that there was no voting or asking of anykind


This just sounds like a Dying site (Furocity) is just trying to hang on by joing forces with a much more successful site.

Cant wait for the Flood of pissed off people to flood my journal box
thank god for a nuke button!

IMO the only thing this will bring to the table is more rules and more personal conflict between admins and more down time for the website!

[TsukinoOokami26]

"We know that many of you have been asking for (and demanding) change -- it was quite difficult to keep this under our respective hats!"

...But oh so easy to continue allowing the "administrative structure" to operate on the will of its individual counterparts rather than as a team, ignoring the ToS as posted, playing favorites, targeting users based on personal conflicts, lying to the "vast wealth of users," ignoring security issues, wasting donation money without considering alternatives, providing no traceable records of money spent, etc. etc. etc. If the administration of FA cared about anything to do with the site other than a place to feel good about their blatant abuse of a position of power, it would not take a site merger to make changes, and if anyone is thinking that this merger will bring about changes, so long as the administration team continues to be the sum of its individual parts, then there will be no change; only a larger group of individuals acting on their own will with complete disregard to the community.

Also, what the hell is "Furocity?"

i so agree with you on that...its just crazy how that is though when you see others breaking the rules doing that all the time but when you try to do it like say post a sl mod you did on sl, then you got trolls on your rear and an admin "asking" you to remove it because you didn't make the avatar though just the mod for it.... >.> fun fun fun

[dopy]

If this means that FA will actually get the website/web programming expertise I've seen over on Furocity, then it's definitely a good thing.

That's funny because they got no programming expertise, they got all their stuff coded by a company, none of what they have is coded by their staff.

[Draken_The_Dragon]

1) Keep it civil.

2) She is right, The Donations from FA are sent by mail. And since not a lot of users donate to FA it, most comes out of the head Admin's pocket. Even with Ads, it is still not enough.


So chill.

I am chill, it's everybody else flipping on people like me for giving their opinions like they are. Yea, I know its by mail, it wasn't before though. I don't need to be attacked by a bunch of raging furries posting their opinions attcking me for posting mine. You guys are acting up as much as I am.

[darkr3x]

Negative. Daemonshyai and myself are both US citizens.

Oh. I thought Furocity was UK based >.<