Fur Affinity/Furocity Joining Forces

[Xenke]

....They don't have a better experienced coding team.....nothing they have is coded by them.

First off, classy. Deflect my real points by focusing on an insignificant one.

Second,

FA is also gaining a new programming staff, intent on finding and fixing problems, as well as working on a true update (read: recode) for FA, including many of the features that everyone has been clamoring for (journal favoriting, commission tracking, and more).

I'm more inclined to believe this chap over you. And from what I've been reading on their site, even if they didn't design it, they still have to retain programming staff to maintain it.

[ANGRY OFFENSIVE PERSON]

BOY you sure can deflect a question.

Seriously though. What's Furocity getting out of this?
(Also draken can you duke this out somewhere else, you're shitting up the thread thx)

I would assume we'll figure out a way to give Furocity more coverage. The site has been getting quieter for the past year, after all the attention from the new launch died down.

[T-W]

True on that for sure! but then again you still get trolls that try to claim some things are not art....

Yes and it is people whom try to censor art on a site based on ART that should be censored.

[Rhazafax]

I wouldn't doubt that. But what I'm saying is it's still user based, one way or another. Like any other site, once in a while a donation notice is put up and people put out. I respect him for helping out of his own pocket, but it's STILL user based and they need to be included on decisions that affect them sitewide.

Last I checked, users have never been consulted for administrator and moderator choosing. That "right" belongs to the existing admins and mods, and rightfully so. As admins and mods, they know what they need and what they're looking for.

As for pooling resources, awesome. I think with new ideas and fresh minds, FA and Furocity might actually both come up with great things.

[Cyril]

http://www.psumonix.com/ right here.

oh goody. So it's just that FA is getting more staff. Eh, that's still not a bad thing, but.

[Skoon]

I must fail as a furry since I have literally never heard of Furocity.

Anything to restore my faith in the staff of FA is welcome in my book. As lately, to be honest, I've been disappointed. And I used to defend the staff from anybody who spoke ill.

So, I'm interested. With a grain of salt, but very interested.

[Daemonshyai]

Thank you very much for the clarification. This leads me to one question, however: policy changes have been hinted at, earlier in the thread. If this is pretty much strictly a staff merging, why would that be necessary?

We are actually still discussing what changes we will be making. Most likely, not much will change, rule-wise. For a while now, we've been seeing FA's rules coming closer and closer to Furocity's rules as it is, so there is little reason to get worried. No, we're not banning furry porn (as was previously hypothesized ).

[Clayton]

Only thing I haven't had answered: are rules carrying over? Yes or no. If yes, what ones?

It was answered. Go look a few pages back
Basically, he said that they're still discussing some rules and that one rule which is sticking is "no under 18 porn"

Plain and simple if the "no bestiality" rule carries over it's going to KILL any artists that draw feral characters or anthro on feral stuff. In the name of God PLEASE don't carry over that rule...

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"no bestiality" means no human + nonanthro/feral porn. Look at the AUP of Furocity.

I haven't read any part of this thread yet, I just wanted to let you know that I shit myself upon reading the thread title. Okay.

I knew you'd shit your pants. As soon as I read "Furocity" I thought
"Ben will shit his pants"

I love you too, but sorry I'm apparently getting more attention than your trolling

He isn't trolling. Please at least TRY to learn what the word "trolling/troll" means before you start flinging haphazardly it at people like a chimp throwing it's shit in a zoo

[Fauz]

Unacceptable Content

Any content which falls within the following guidelines may not be submitted to Furocity:

• Bestiality (sexual situations including a feral/non-anthropomorphized animal)

Doesn't say anything about humans, and even if it did that is still something currently allowed on FA.

[Kayla]

Hm...Don't know if want, but we'll see.

[TsukinoOokami26]

Yes and it is people whom try to censor art on a site based on ART that should be censored.

ok its sort of upsetting that when people who do mods for avatars on sl get bitched out by trolls saying well if you didnt create the avatar then you cant post it period. Which i can understand the sl pictures to a point but when someone makes a mod for one then how does one post pics for the mod? because if you post it like how textures are done then anyone can steal it from ya on the site but if you put it on a avatar you didnt create and try to post trolls are everywhere on your rear! O.o

[Eske]

We are actually still discussing what changes we will be making. Most likely, not much will change, rule-wise. For a while now, we've been seeing FA's rules coming closer and closer to Furocity's rules as it is, so there is little reason to get worried. No, we're not banning furry porn (as was previously hypothesized ).

No, no, no, haha, I wasn't worried at all. (: I was just curious; a merger of the sort described in the OP doesn't seem like it would need to touch policies or rules at all. However, now I'm getting the sense that it might be a full merger some day down the line? If so, that would explain the need to bring FA's policies up to Furocity's standards.

[Syntex]

doesn't say anything about humans

loop hole? LOOP HOLE?!

Sorry I laughed too hard

[Draken_The_Dragon]

Last I checked, users have never been consulted for administrator and moderator choosing. That "right" belongs to the existing admins and mods, and rightfully so. As admins and mods, they know what they need and what they're looking for.

As for pooling resources, awesome. I think with new ideas and fresh minds, FA and Furocity might actually both come up with great things.

I'm not saying anything about mods being chosen, no no. That's fine. But when anything that affects the site directly, non-personel-ly, we should still hear SOMETHING about it, even if indirectly like "what would you guys think of more resources? *innocent whistle*". Yea I get we have " no rights" but what we're asking for isn't much, is it?

[Clayton]

Doesn't say anything about humans, and even if it did that is still something currently allowed on FA.

I'm pretty damn sure it was human + nonanthro when I was on there.

[Daemonshyai]

I'm more inclined to believe this chap over you. And from what I've been reading on their site, even if they didn't design it, they still have to retain programming staff to maintain it.

Just an FYI, because this is hilarious: we created, designed, and coded all of Furocity. From the ground up.

[T-W]

ok its sort of upsetting that when people who do mods for avatars on sl get bitched out by trolls saying well if you didnt create the avatar then you cant post it period. Which i can understand the sl pictures to a point but when someone makes a mod for one then how does one post pics for the mod? because if you post it like how textures are done then anyone can steal it from ya on the site but if you put it on a avatar you didnt create and try to post trolls are everywhere on your rear! O.o

I've never play'd SL so I can't really say on that factor. But in basic's their will be tolls everywhere you go because there will always be closed minded people.

[FennyK]

We are actually still discussing what changes we will be making. Most likely, not much will change, rule-wise. For a while now, we've been seeing FA's rules coming closer and closer to Furocity's rules as it is, so there is little reason to get worried. No, we're not banning furry porn (as was previously hypothesized ).

Its not the furry porn I'm concerned about. All of this 'maybe' and 'most likely' is pretty worrisome, especially when the rules of some tiny-ass site might change something in a far larger one. Absolutely NO rules should be changed, period. I'm quite sure most everyone is at least okay with the way FA's rules are now.

[Syntex]

Just an FYI, because this is hilarious: we created, designed, and coded all of Furocity. From the ground up.

So are you saying you work for Psumonix?

[Williamca]

Well seems like now it applies to Anthromorphics as well as humans. They fixed that loophole. Still no clarification yet on rule exchange, just seems like staff for now so don't all get your panties in a bunch over that.

Seems like rules probably won't be exchanged since both sites are staying independent.

[Xenke]

I'm not saying anything about mods being chosen, no no. That's fine. But when anything that affects the site directly, non-personel-ly, we should still hear SOMETHING about it, even if indirectly like "what would you guys think of more resources? *innocent whistle*". Yea I get we have " no rights" but what we're asking for isn't much, is it?

Have some reading material, because I love you.

The people's voice largely doesn't know about the workings of the site, and their opinions don't really mean squat.

They could easily vote down something which would help the site because of stupid reason like "I don't want FA to change".

If you're point is that this move was risky because a lot of people could have been upset by this and left FA, you're wrong. FA has a largely ingrained community which isn't going anywhere for a while.

1) Read what I said about an ingrained community. Look back at past "scandals" and see how that affected the userbase. It's a phenomenon in business where they can literally do whatever they want and still be successful. Even if 'Neer chose an option which most people didn't like, the userbase isn't going anywhere.

2) Businesses cannot function properly if it's customers are calling all the shots. They know what they would like to see the company do from an outward perspective, but they don't understand how it affects things from an inward perspective. Let's say there was a branch of a chain store in your town. Everyone loves it. Now let's say that despite that, it isn't getting enough business to stay profitable and the company wants to close it down. By the customer's decision, the company would have to keep open this ailing branch. Bad for business.

3) Since it sounds like FA is not adopting Furocity's community and structure, that's exactly what I'm talking about with the user's not having enough knowledge on the subject to make a decision. That assumption alone could get FA all riled up and stop what could easily be a very good step forward for FA. So, uhh, yea... thanks for proving my original point.

Follow the quote links if you don't understand the context.

[Cyril]

Just an FYI, because this is hilarious: we created, designed, and coded all of Furocity. From the ground up.

Then either you work for this company or they're claiming your site's work as their own. Which is it?

[Syntex]

Well seems like now it applies to Anthromorphics as well as humans. They fixed that loophole. Still no clarification yet on rule exchange, just seems like staff for now so don't all get your panties in a bunch over that.

Seems like rules probably won't be exchanged since both sites are staying independent.

Actually Dragoneer did state that they are in the discussion of rules, so I'm sure there will be some rule changes, major or not.

[T-W]

Its not the furry porn I'm concerned about. All of this 'maybe' and 'most likely' is pretty worrisome, especially when the rules of some tiny-ass site might change something in a far larger one. Absolutely NO rules should be changed, period. I'm quite sure most everyone is at least okay with the way FA's rules are now.

Agreed. I'd likely leave the site along with most other Artist.

[Vexor Shadewing]

I'm not saying anything about mods being chosen, no no. That's fine. But when anything that affects the site directly, non-personel-ly, we should still hear SOMETHING about it, even if indirectly like "what would you guys think of more resources? *innocent whistle*". Yea I get we have " no rights" but what we're asking for isn't much, is it?

You've basically described the internet as communist oriented.