FA + Furocity: 4 months on.

[Kihari]

I'd talked to Dragoneer at AC last year and he said there was a big move in the works that he was excited about and that he couldn't tell me a thing about it. Granted, I can understand not telling an FA outsider about some secret plan, let alone me of all people, but it turns out in the end that this plan was basically kept secret from staff too.

I think this begs the question of why impending progress is kept a secret on the occasion that it does happen. Sure, you may not want to give out too fine of details out of respect for others involved--and you might not even know all the details at a given point in time--but acting that way about this only to have it turn out like it did just makes the whole thing look like a big goddamn joke.

Could it be a fear of criticism? We ought to hope every day that people care enough to tell us what we're doing wrong and how it could be done better.

[Corto]

Nah, I don't think you should go announcing shit left and right unless there's some headway already made. Otherwise you risk provoking people with no reason at all. Which is basically what happens here always so seeing some criticism of the contrary is actually hillarious.
Not telling your staff is bananas though.


So, besides the SF post and phone calls, any other news from Gavin? Some declaration or something?

[Oasus]

Yeah, even I was surprised at that announcement. "Here's a thing that's been a year in the making! We're merging!" "Wait, merging? What?" "Oh, uh, not merging but joining forces! Staff-wise!" "Okay, so what does this mean for us? What's changing? What is everyone getting out of the deal?" "Uh, we don't have all the details, we'll get back to you on that."

That's what the thread was like. A year to work out the details, only to not have any details to offer? Goodness gracious.

I'd talked to Dragoneer at AC last year and he said there was a big move in the works that he was excited about and that he couldn't tell me a thing about it. Granted, I can understand not telling an FA outsider about some secret plan, let alone me of all people, but it turns out in the end that this plan was basically kept secret from staff too. What purpose did that serve? Why? More executive privilege and state secrets stuff? Worried that if someone on staff knew about it, it would leak to the unwashed masses? At some point, paranoia about things getting out has to be balanced with actually keeping staff informed so whatever plans are being made can actually be made effective. Yet, here we are, all the problems are being publicly acknowledged and that we're going forward to move past it and things are being done. Handwaving and PR'ing all the problems away... It's an awful pattern.

The "liking running FA, not liking the work FA requires" line is pretty telling. I really, really don't hate you, Dragoneer, despite my often yet hopefully not-overbearing-and-unreasonable criticism, but there are a lot of problems at work here and I don't think you're the one who can solve them. It's like that.

My guess is that he was afraid that if he told anyone on staff, that if they left, they would use that information to cause a panic. But in doing what he did, he kinda made the situation worse. That's my perspective. I do think neer means well, but sometimes the decisions he makes are questionable.

Nah, I don't think you should go announcing shit left and right unless there's some headway already made. Otherwise you risk provoking people with no reason at all. Which is basically what happens here always so seeing some criticism of the contrary is actually hillarious.
Not telling your staff is bananas though.


So, besides the SF post and phone calls, any other news from Gavin? Some declaration or something?

I've seen no updates from Gavin yet.

[Accountability]

I think this begs the question of why impending progress is kept a secret on the occasion that it does happen. Sure, you may not want to give out too fine of details out of respect for others involved--and you might not even know all the details at a given point in time--but acting that way about this only to have it turn out like it did just makes the whole thing look like a big goddamn joke.

Could it be a fear of criticism? We ought to hope every day that people care enough to tell us what we're doing wrong and how it could be done better.

Although Dragoneer probably could have talked about it before it was announced, there really was no need to, and seeing how poorly the announcement was made, discussing it probably would have ended badly.

[ali]

there are no updates from gavin as of yet, but there was a journal made on sofurry that's now been deleted. furocity still links to that dead post now.

just have to wait for gavin to come forth? it's disturbing how furoc was left up for people to get their things from 'gavin' on sofurry but yeah all that's been taken into question.

[MandertehPander]

Nah, I don't think you should go announcing shit left and right unless there's some headway already made. Otherwise you risk provoking people with no reason at all. Which is basically what happens here always so seeing some criticism of the contrary is actually hillarious.
Not telling your staff is bananas though.


So, besides the SF post and phone calls, any other news from Gavin? Some declaration or something?

I've been texting Gavin back and forth all day. He still has no internet, but he has power now.

[Ben]

I'm really confused about one thing. This whole time, I was under the impression that Gavin had been brought into the Furaffinity fold to help design the new UI, since he designed Furocity himself and whatnot. However, I saw Dragoneer left a comment on the journal before it was deleted, saying that Gavin wasn't brought on to code the new UI.

Which begs the essential question:

Who is coding it?

I would have screencapped this, but apparently, having the journal in my back history doesn't help anything. Oops.

[Sai_Wolf]

I'm really confused about one thing. This whole time, I was under the impression that Gavin had been brought into the Furaffinity fold to help design the new UI, since he designed Furocity himself and whatnot. However, I saw Dragoneer left a comment on the journal before it was deleted, saying that Gavin wasn't brought on to code the new UI.

Which begs the essential question:

Who is coding it?

I would have screencapped this, but apparently, having the journal in my back history doesn't help anything. Oops.

You're not alone. I saw it too.

[ali]

because i screencapped the entire thing, here is the section about the UI and the DNS and what have you: http://i42.tinypic.com/14u8ehu.jpg

[Ben]

because i screencapped the entire thing, here is the section about the UI and the DNS and what have you: http://i42.tinypic.com/14u8ehu.jpg

Ahhh, thank you. I mean, I'd like to think I'm a reputable source of information, but the screencap no doubt helps.

[Yoshiya]

because i screencapped the entire thing, here is the section about the UI and the DNS and what have you: http://i42.tinypic.com/14u8ehu.jpg

Great to see Aurali has no fucking clue what's going on as per usual

[ali]

aurali?... lmao what... i'm not.. what. ok.

edit: to stay on track, you're welcome ben! if you need the rest of the screencaps i can provide.

[Yoshiya]

aurali?... lmao what... i'm not.. what. ok.

Not you ali, one of the comments. We're cool bro.

[ali]

Not you ali, one of the comments. We're cool bro.

aah, okay, i thought you were mistaking me for someone else! phew.

[Temrin]

All new seasonal banners (being worked on by Blotch)

Does this mean were not going to have user created banners anymore?

[Trpdwarf]

Does this mean were not going to have user created banners anymore?

Ninja edit, I'm asking someone right now to clarify so I can answer it for you.

Alright what I am told is that we are redesigning the banner system to be more dynamic. Eventually, we'll open it up to users to submit ideas and have an official way to submit banners to the site. Users will be able to select banners from our archive, or stick to the seasonal banners. I hope this clarifies it for you.

[Accountability]

Ninja edit, I'm asking someone right now to clarify so I can answer it for you.

Alright what I am told is that we are redesigning the banner system to be more dynamic. Eventually, we'll open it up to users to submit ideas and have an official way to submit banners to the site. Users will be able to select banners from our archive, or stick to the seasonal banners. I hope this clarifies it for you.

Will us boring folk be able to just choose a plain logo?

It would be greatly appreciated.

Also I really hope time isn't currently being spent on developing what is essentially the most pointless feature a site could have.

[Trpdwarf]

Will us boring folk be able to just choose a plain logo?

It would be greatly appreciated.

Also I really hope time isn't currently being spent on developing what is essentially the most pointless feature a site could have.

I don't know the extent of what you can do(not really my area). I can toss the idea up because it makes sense to be able to choose a static generic banner for those who want it. Of course it's not going to be what is being worked on exclusively right now or something. It's just one of those things that will be with the new lay out and stuff. One part of a whole if that makes sense. Priorities > over pretty features

[Gavrill]

Great to see Aurali has no fucking clue what's going on as per usual

of course she doesn't, she was getting info via me and i am not a reliable source. honestly she's just poking the hornet's nest, not really puttting forth the effort to harass 'neer as per usual.

yup

[Devious Bane]

Does this mean were not going to have user created banners anymore?

It's pretty much pick and choose, always has been.
This is why generally this time of year results in assloads of drama in regards to the banners.

[Verin Asper]

It's pretty much pick and choose, always has been.
This is why generally this time of year results in assloads of drama in regards to the banners.

*awaits the Thanksgiving Banner* OH Boy

[M. LeRenard]

Will us boring folk be able to just choose a plain logo?

Wow... that's actually a really great idea. Mainly because it'll cut down on the bullshit every month when people come here in droves to whine about the banner content. I fully support this.

[CannonFodder]

Wow... that's actually a really great idea. Mainly because it'll cut down on the bullshit every month when people come here in droves to whine about the banner content. I fully support this.

If this is implemented we wouldn't have to deal with drama like the thanksgiving day banner or the brony banner.

[Arshes Nei]

Wow... that's actually a really great idea. Mainly because it'll cut down on the bullshit every month when people come here in droves to whine about the banner content. I fully support this.

I've been asking for a logo for this site for years now :/
There's no reason for the rotating stuff when the site should have an identity with it.
I mean we all know what the google logo looks like even if people do their own designs or illustrations for it.

Why can't FA just do the same. :P

[Xenke]

I've been asking for a logo for this site for years now :/
There's no reason for the rotating stuff when the site should have an identity with it.
I mean we all know what the google logo looks like even if people do their own designs or illustrations for it.

Why can't FA just do the same. :P

Because FA has the same desire to change it visible identity absurdly often just like myself. :V