AUP Update - January 19, 2012

[Dragoneer]

Oh boy. Let's see...




This is a rather... interesting... rule. Uh, I'll just illustrate the problems it presents.


Tada. That took all of five minutes. It's a comic, and it has a story and it uses sprites that I didn't make. This is another one of those things where how it's used needs to be taken into account.

I'll be honest - we don't take quality into account. That would be permitted. Would I agree with it personally? No. If it were up to me there wouldn't be sprite-anything except for those made by users. But I can see where there /are/ some uses.

Unfortunately, for all you new fans of Adventures of the Stolen Sprite, I can't upload the poster for my book signing since it's only words.

If it's /just/ plain text, no. If you do a design, something solid... that's fine. Hence why just "basic text".

[shentino]

Done.

Now back to your regularly scheduled topic.

Sorry, but that post just stinks...

(see original post for punchline)

[demonwerewolf110]

Sorry, but that post just stinks.

BOOOOOO!

[Cervidanti]

I really don't understand the screenshot limitations. It makes no sense to me that we can't upload things modified in-game and have to have made everything 100% from scratch.

Meanwhile you have no problem with us uploading something made in 4 seconds in mspaint and linking to the screenshots in the description (something I clarified repeatedly with dragoneer the last time the AUP changed).

How is it preferable that people upload random crap and use the description field to show stuff off than to just *let them upload the stuff they want to show off*?

[Sphelx]

Since my original post has been ignored; I'm going to ask the same question again...


Would it be possible for you to bold the sections of the AUP that're changed, for the benefit of colourblind users, please?


It's almost impossible for me to see red text against black text because the font is so weedy/thin :/

[Marcuskrim]

I have a question about the "Tracing and plagiarism are not permitted on FA, and images confirmed to be traced or plagiarized will be removed from the site without warning." rule.

I used cover art from the Sonic comic as a referance to get a pose right for a Sonic OC (I do this to help me learn the anatomy of the style) , the pose is similar but not traced. If I sight the referance image can I post it?

[The_LandoStander]

Just to be very clear since what I do seems to fall somewhere between the screenshot and re-texturing rules I'll just toss up an example or two and get a ruling I guess.. I'd rather take stuff down than have it taken down.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5488471

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5719356

I 'paint' cars in the Forza games and put the pictures up here as well as the Forza site. I make the images with basic shapes, squares, circles, curves etc. that I manipulate. I would liken this to the Lego analogy earlier in this thread. All the designs are fur inspired, a good number even have tails, horns or ears. I don't use company logos like Volk or things like that and I make sure to state that the game and the cars in question aren't my creation, just the paint job is mine.

[Wolfheart1125]

FA respects the work of artists and content creators. Tracing and plagiarism are not permitted on FA, and images confirmed to be traced or plagiarized will be removed from the site without warning. First offenders will receive a one time warning, in addition to a suspension and a potential gallery wipe. A second offense will result in a permanent suspension.

I find it funny how OUTRAGED people have been getting about SOPA, and yet this is the same thing, just on a smaller scale.....

[Black Vulpine]

Say that I created something that I'm not allowed or able to post on here because it's a video or a screenshot, but still wanted to showcase on here as a submission. What I might do is have written on the image something along the lines of, "EXTERNAL LINK: use link in submission description to view content". What I would like to know: Is it OK if I do this?

I have done such a thing on InkBunny at one point, and as such, I hereby present it to you here as an example. Click here to view it. Don't worry, the pic in the external link is just a sensible one.

[Fay V]

Say that I created something that I'm not allowed or able to post on here because it's a video or a screenshot, but still wanted to showcase on here as a submission. What I might do is have written on the image something along the lines of, "EXTERNAL LINK: use link in submission description to view content". What I would like to know: Is it OK if I do this?

I have done such a thing on InkBunny at one point, and as such, I hereby present it to you here as an example. Click here to view it. Don't worry, the pic in the external link is just a sensible one.

Something like this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7137279 is okay.
The external link is fine to put in the description, the difference between my example and yours is having a photo submission or art submission versus just words saying "external link" you can't just post basic text as an image submission

[Cervidanti]

Say that I created something that I'm not allowed or able to post on here because it's a video or a screenshot, but still wanted to showcase on here as a submission. What I might do is have written on the image something along the lines of, "EXTERNAL LINK: use link in submission description to view content". What I would like to know: Is it OK if I do this?

I have done such a thing on InkBunny at one point, and as such, I hereby present it to you here as an example. Click here to view it. Don't worry, the pic in the external link is just a sensible one.

I asked Dragoneer about this repeatedly last time the rules changed and he said repeatedly that yes, this is okay.

You can make any shit you want in 4 seconds in mspaint and post it, just for the sake of putting something in the description.

[Summercat]

I find it funny how OUTRAGED people have been getting about SOPA, and yet this is the same thing, just on a smaller scale.....

The difference between what you quoted and SOPA is that we do not nuke images on someone's say so - we have to check to see if it's someone else's work, or a trace. Once we confirm a traced or stolen submission, THEN we remove it.

SOPA is "Nuke everything on a claim, without checking to see if it's valid."

[kaboronat]

Does the clothing portion to the AUP include feral artwork?

[LizardKing]

Does the clothing portion to the AUP include feral artwork?

You mean a photograph of a dog wearing a skirt or something?

(The clothing section is for photography only)

[kaboronat]

One thing that's got me thinking is why have the TOS and the AUP been updated so soon? Wouldn't it be wise to wait until the end of the debate and protest to see if these bills go through or not? It makes us look like we want them to win. I do, however, understand that this is a precautionary act for the website and the fur fandom. It seems too early to me I guess.

[kaboronat]

Oh its for Photography. Thank you for clarifying.

[truwolf]

Does this ban photo manipulations when no shirts or shorts are used in the base photo and the skin is tfing into another animal? I'm not talking about nudity either.

[Dragoneer]

I find it funny how OUTRAGED people have been getting about SOPA, and yet this is the same thing, just on a smaller scale.....

I'm going to be blunt: No. This is nothing like SOPA. At all. This is one of the worst comparisons I've seen (and sadly, I've been seeing it quite a few places).

When you sign up to FA you agree to the rules. "I will not steal other people's art" is one of those rules. If that's your goal, if that's what you want to do... fine. But don't do it on FA. Chan sites exist, and you can use those for them. We respect the work of artists. If people are tracing, ripping off artists or claiming other's artwork as their own and they're on FA, they get caught, they will most likely be banned. And no admin on this site will think twice about doing so.

[Dragoneer]

I asked Dragoneer about this repeatedly last time the rules changed and he said repeatedly that yes, this is okay.

You can make any shit you want in 4 seconds in mspaint and post it, just for the sake of putting something in the description.

However, if your goal is to circumvent site rules JUST to be able to post prohibited content via a loophole, and you're caught... just saying. Don't be surprised if we take notice and take action.

Does the clothing portion to the AUP include feral artwork?

Honestly, I find people dressing up animals in clothing to be very, very weird. Especially around Halloween. But that's another story. =P

No. Ferals don't need clothing.

One thing that's got me thinking is why have the TOS and the AUP been updated so soon? Wouldn't it be wise to wait until the end of the debate and protest to see if these bills go through or not? It makes us look like we want them to win. I do, however, understand that this is a precautionary act for the website and the fur fandom. It seems too early to me I guess.

This has nothing to do with SOPA/PIPA in any way, shape or form. We actually allowed a bit more leeway in some regards with this update.

Nothing in this update REALLY makes huge changes at all, prohibits content (except for some blank/text submissions). If anything, we're far more lenient.

[Dragoneer]

Does this ban photo manipulations when no shirts or shorts are used in the base photo and the skin is tfing into another animal? I'm not talking about nudity either.

As long as the photomorph isn't mature, and as long it's not using copyright photos... they should be alright. This is more related to people posting everyday pictures of themselves.

[truwolf]

Thx for the clarification

[Kinmotsu7]

Please explain to me how you can delete a submission that "looks underage" even though the character is expressly stated to be over 18. The only relevant section in the AUP I can find is:

"Submissions containing characters of questionable or indeterminable age will be up to the discretion of the administration."

If it's expressly stated to be over 18, then it's neither questionable nor indeterminable.

You know, Dragoneer, you said you'd continue dialogue with me via notes, and you haven't replied for over a week.

[Cervidanti]

However, if your goal is to circumvent site rules JUST to be able to post prohibited content via a loophole, and you're caught... just saying.

I asked you, personally, repeatedly, if that was okay, and you told me yes. Way to backpedal.

[Summercat]

Please explain to me how you can delete a submission that "looks underage" even though the character is expressly stated to be over 18. The only relevant section in the AUP I can find is:

"Submissions containing characters of questionable or indeterminable age will be up to the discretion of the administration."
If it's expressly stated to be over 18, then it's neither questionable nor indeterminable.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shippo#Shippo

The character here is generally considered to be a few hundred years old, but physically resembles a 7 year old kid. While this is a bit more extreme than what I think you are trying to say, it does demonstrate the point that "saying a character is of age is meaningless if all other signs say otherwise."

[rizel]

The By You/For You Policy1) By You:
"By You" refers to original content created by the poster. If you created it, you may post it, so long as it adheres to all other requirements of the AUP and is done so in full understanding of the Submission Agreement (SA). Joint works or collaborative efforts must cite all contributors. Derivative work must cite the original source and provide due credit.
2) For You:
"For You" permits users to repost work created exclusively for them ONLY when the original artist has granted permission to do so. Credit must be attributed to the original artist(s). The original artist reserves rights to revoke permission at any time or any reason.

Okay, so here's my question:
For those '3D artists' who claim to be so by using free or open models, or assets such as materials, props, rigs, or anything of the sort, would that be a violation of the rules stated here?
I know there are a multitude of users on FA that actively post art using Poser or DAZ studio, who credit virtually none of the original artists who originally created the models that sometimes they don't even alter.
Too often I've seen people get away with posting stuff they 'made in Poser/DAZ' when they have only mildly rigged the model and posed it. It upsets me as one who actually makes their own 3D assets from scratch.