General AUP Discussion

[Dragoneer]

Discuss the AUP here. Issues, concerns, etc.

Do not discuss cub art. There is another thread there for it.

[redfoxnudetoons]

Screenshots/Screencaptures, Character Generators & 3D Models

* 3D Modeling - 3D models are permitted so long as the rendered models are original user creations. Pre-made models (or edits and variations thereof) are prohibited.

Thanks for fucking over animators like myself who ANIMATE not create. Did you know that most people in the 3D field don't actually create models? THEY ANIMATE THEM.

Why can't you accept this? This is almost akin to your "your not an artist unless you have a degree" statement a few years back.

[Alstor]

Quick question about the screenshots part. If I'm correct, then people uploading screenshots from their own videos for the sake of linking other people to that video would be removed unless it contained something like a fursuit. And if it was a fursuit, then it would count towards the ten allowed in the gallery. Am I right?

[Dragoneer]

Thanks for fucking over animators like myself who ANIMATE not create. Did you know that most people in the 3D field don't actually create models? THEY ANIMATE THEM.

Why can't you accept this? This is almost akin to your "your not an artist unless you have a degree" statement a few years back.

That's a good catch. We actually did have that as a rule, but reverted it. I apparently did not carry over that revision.

The rule should be:
Pre-packaged or downloadable models may only be used if they contain modifications to separate them from the stock model, such as complete re-texturing or edits to their mesh. (Partial re-textures, re-coloring and hue-shifts do not constitute "modification".

This is a very minor edit of the previous rule.

Quick question about the screenshots part. If I'm correct, then people uploading screenshots from their own videos for the sake of linking other people to that video would be removed unless it contained something like a fursuit. And if it was a fursuit, then it would count towards the ten allowed in the gallery. Am I right?

Something like that would be accepted, yes, because it's essentially being used as photograph.

[redfoxnudetoons]

That's a good catch. We actually did have that as a rule, but reverted it. I apparently did not carry over that revision.

The rule should be:
Pre-packaged or downloadable models may only be used if they contain modifications to separate them from the stock model, such as complete re-texturing or edits to their mesh. (Partial re-textures, re-coloring and hue-shifts do not constitute "modification".

This is a very minor edit of the previous rule.

Good to know that is was a mistake. Animators should not be ostracized for not being able to create models.

It might be best to actually include animations in the wording of what is allowable with pre-packaged or downloadable models, like this:

Pre-packaged or downloadable models may only be used if they contain modifications to separate them from the stock model, such as complete re-texturing or edits to their mesh, or are used in animations. (Partial re-textures, re-coloring and hue-shifts do not constitute "modification" Stock animation loops are not acceptable.)

[Jameless]

Thanks for fucking over animators like myself who ANIMATE not create. Did you know that most people in the 3D field don't actually create models? THEY ANIMATE THEM.

Why can't you accept this? This is almost akin to your "your not an artist unless you have a degree" statement a few years back.

people in the REAL 3D field do create their own models. it's called being a 3D modeler.

The fact is that pre-made models from programs such as poser are not accepted in any part of the 3D field.

However, I do respect those who can animate poser models. I see too many poser users that claim they tried animating out but it was too hard for them.

Dragoneer, I liked the original edit to this much better. People need to learn how to make thier own things.

[Petrock]

# Illegal Activity - Images containing or alluding to illegal activity (e.g. vandalism, drugs and related paraphernalia) are prohibited.

I know this is a bit silly, but does that include vandalism of Wikipedia? x3;

On a more serious note, regarding the adult sex toys ban, does this pertain only to photos, or does it pertain to concept-drawings as well?

[redfoxnudetoons]

regarding the adult sex toys ban, does this pertain only to photos, or does it pertain to concept-drawings as well?

If I remember the conversation from last time, the concept-drawings and concept model are okay, the final product is not.

[Goronhead]

Due to general community interest, we permit users to post images of furry conventions or fursuits with lessened restrictions.

So, if I were to take a photo at a convention that happened to have me in it (posing with a fursuiter, etc.) would that count against the 3 personal images restriction?

[Mizuhiro Neko]

Wait a minute... Only three images of any single character? So we can't have pictures of a character in different situations? What does this mean for comics? I've seen many comics on FA that are more than three pages, all with the same two or more characters.

[IceTigerV]

Hey, about the photo department. Auto photos fall in the PhotoBucket or the Personal section?

Thanks, Ice

[DragonTalon]

people in the REAL 3D field do create their own models. it's called being a 3D modeler.

Professional animators at places like, oh, Pixar would disagree with you. Animators there are not the same people that create the 3D models, and those are generally not the same people who do the design work in clay, who are often not the same people who draw the concept art, which are not the same people who come up with the idea for the movie in the first place.

Just like some artists can do line art but not color, and others can color and not do line art. Just because someone doesn't have all the skills to model, texture and animate doesn't mean they have no skills. If someone is a skilled animator, why should they be forced to make their own crappy models? Do actors have to sew their own costumes?

[Dragoneer]

Wait a minute... Only three images of any single character? So we can't have pictures of a character in different situations? What does this mean for comics? I've seen many comics on FA that are more than three pages, all with the same two or more characters.

Personal photos (photos of /you/, not your character).

Hey, about the photo department. Auto photos fall in the PhotoBucket or the Personal section?

Thanks, Ice

PhotoBucket/collection

[Pikitsune]

"

• Illegal Activity - Images containing or alluding to illegal activity (e.g. vandalism, drugs and related paraphernalia) are prohibited."

Ok this one will cause a HUGE debate here.
There are definitely a lot of people who have depiction of murder, or alluding to a character who murders others. Murder is illegal, but constantly shown in the media movies. Along with "vandalism". These things we see in movies all the time of the baddie characters. Is this a photo only thing, or just all art in general? Because this particular rule is vague, and can go many different ways, and the argument would be how widely accepted many of these activities are in our films.



EDIT: Disregard this post I re-read to make sure. Remind me never to read shit when I'm tired.

[scorp_poison]

whoops, NM XD
though to not waste space I will mention that I think in order to regulate 3d modeling you should have a specific admin for that, and a person that knows about 3d modeling.
I have known at least one artist that got in trouble for making their own because admins didn't believe them.

[Pikitsune]

Oh wait, ok, found what I was meaning to look for. This is in the TOS, not AUP:
"refrain from making comments, journals, statements or posting material which is racist, bigoted, defamatory, otherwise offensive towards any particular sexuality, philosophy, religion, illegal gambling (raffles, games of chance) or content alluding to illegal activity or child pornography."

THIS was the one I was actually led to, and I'm wondering what this whole thing means. Does this include artwork of commonly drawn subjects, such as Prostitution, Rape, Murder, Torture, etc? To what extent does "illegal activity" go, and how will this affect people?
As I mentioned earlier, some of these things are things we see in our movies every day, and the movies are legal, just rated for adults. I would really like some clarification on this, because it's made me nervous over my own characters and artwork. It says posting "material", but does this mean art, or stories, or photos...?

[redfoxnudetoons]

Professional animators at places like, oh, Pixar would disagree with you. Animators there are not the same people that create the 3D models, and those are generally not the same people who do the design work in clay, who are often not the same people who draw the concept art, which are not the same people who come up with the idea for the movie in the first place.

Just like some artists can do line art but not color, and others can color and not do line art. Just because someone doesn't have all the skills to model, texture and animate doesn't mean they have no skills. If someone is a skilled animator, why should they be forced to make their own crappy models? Do actors have to sew their own costumes?

Thank you. You are one of the few people on FA who REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON in the real world.

Last time I heard the ratio of animators to modelers, albeit a bit outdated, was something to the magnitude of 1:500 of modelers to animators.

Just look at any 3D movie credit listing. You have a small group (if even that much) that did the modeling, and much, much more people who do the animation process.

Just because we cannot create a model, does not mean that we lack skills. It takes a lot of hard work to pull off realistic looking animations, and animators deserve to show off their works just as much as anyone else. Even if it IS with premade models.

[scorp_poison]

Taxidermy - Taxidermy is permitted as long as respect is shown to the creatures involved. There may be no gore, signs of pain or trauma.

I am TRULY surprised at this rule! I would hope a site about animals would abhor putting their dead bodies on display as trophies or shrines!
Taxidermy is the epitome of bad taste when it comes to animal, it's bad enough the thing died, or was killed but now you stuff it for display?

[Pikitsune]

Taxidermy - Taxidermy is permitted as long as respect is shown to the creatures involved. There may be no gore, signs of pain or trauma.

I am TRULY surprised at this rule! I would hope a site about animals would abhor putting their dead bodies on display as trophies or shrines!
Taxidermy is the epitome of bad taste when it comes to animal, it's bad enough the thing died, or was killed but now you stuff it for display?

Good to know preserving my beloved pet so he can stay with me rather than burning his remains or burying him to be eaten by worms is considered a trophy/shrine in bad taste.

[redfoxnudetoons]

Taxidermy - Taxidermy is permitted as long as respect is shown to the creatures involved. There may be no gore, signs of pain or trauma.

I am TRULY surprised at this rule! I would hope a site about animals would abhor putting their dead bodies on display as trophies or shrines!
Taxidermy is the epitome of bad taste when it comes to animal, it's bad enough the thing died, or was killed but now you stuff it for display?

Unfortunate as I feel it is, it -ugh- is seen to many as a valid form of art. And although it thoroughly disgusts me, Respectful, Tasteful taxidermy has been allowed. Even Museums use taxidermy to display extinct animals, so.... there you are. It's allowed, to a degree. It is art, and though I have strong feelings against it, I respect FA for allowing it.

[shebawolf145]

PhotoBucket/collection

Wait...so what if their form of art is photography and their subjects happen to be cars? I think this is extremely unfair.

[scorp_poison]

Good to know preserving my beloved pet so he can stay with me rather than burning his remains or burying him to be eaten by worms is considered a trophy/shrine in bad taste.

I would agree that if the picture of you pet sitting there looking at you or perpetually sleeping was covered in shrine memorabilia then perhaps it'd be good taste.
but for two things rarely do people ever post pictures of their pets stuffed, it's mostly the dear/bear/etc they hunted down, and secondly the last thing anyone should have to see when the come to this art site, is a dead animal, no matter how pretty it's surroundings.
If you choose to have your animal stuffed it is not my place to tell you otherwise. but i will say i think the idea of keeping them with you always makes it very hard to heal the emotional wounds and move on.

[Rukh_Whitefang]

Wait...so what if their form of art is photography and their subjects happen to be cars? I think this is extremely unfair.

I agree with this, What about all the groups on FA that have pictures. (IE car groups on FA) or just people who do photography in general?
I guess my defense is that cars are a form of art, to me at least.

[scorp_poison]

Unfortunate as I feel it is, it -ugh- is seen to many as a valid form of art. And although it thoroughly disgusts me, Respectful, Tasteful taxidermy has been allowed. Even Museums use taxidermy to display extinct animals, so.... there you are. It's allowed, to a degree. It is art, and though I have strong feelings against it, I respect FA for allowing it.

I just believe that an art gallery about animals should not have a policy for showing dead ones all over it XD
Loads of things art considered art, doesn't mean they are XD
and museums use it to educate, I couldn't post a do it yourself taxidermy photo collage now could I? XD

[DragonTalon]

Wait...so what if their form of art is photography and their subjects happen to be cars? I think this is extremely unfair.

I think it's because this is a FURRY art site, not a general art site. There are TONS of sites that deal with general art, photography especially.