"If you fly the aussie flag in Australia onAustralia day, you're racist"

[Littlerock]

Unfortunately the majority of the country is blinded by the misconceptions and generalizations. I can't do anything I like without being labeled an evil person or a freak. Hell, my own girlfriend considers me a redneck.

You might be surprised to see just how many northerners around these parts fly it. But the one I see most often (other than the American flag) is the Gadsden flag.

[Antonin Scalia]

I see state enforced multiculturalism is still going strong.


The EU thought just by taking down boarders that it would be easier to establish the United State of Europe, as the different cultural and ethnic identifies of countries would become fragmented with the free movement of people. Making it easier to impose the artificial identify as a citizen of Europe. Unlucky for them, mostly economic immigration took place; and most people were quite happy to stay at home. The French people mostly remained in France, the English people mostly remained in England and the German people mostly remained in Germany. It's hard to get people to change their identity when they're all huddled together like that, so how to fragment the populations?


Multiculturalism. Training people to become embarrassed of their own national identity, willing to make unlimited accommodations for foreign cultures moving into their own; rather then encouraging integration into the local culture. Your culture is always in the wrong. If the foreign culture doesn't integrate, clearly it's your fault and you have to make even more accommodations so they feel comfortable. A multicultural society is a enlightened society. The more unquestioning tolerance and respect you show towards other cultures, even if they show none back, the more enlightened the civilized you are. Never mind multicultural communities formed just fine on their own, long before the state multiculturalism programme ever started.


And the best part is, anyone who doesn't comply is a racist! No one likes being a racist, so to avoid the label; they are more likely to put aside their concerns and comply. Just label anyone who even hints at questioning whether unlimited, unregulated immigration into your country is a good idea a racist; and they'll soon stop asking inconvenient questions.


Don't pay attention to the fact that country leaders like David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy have themselves stated that state enforced multiculturalism is a failure. Keep the programme rolling, because it's working out fine for the powers behind it. And who needs to spend money on promoting it when people terrified of being considered racist are verbally attacking anyone who doesn't comply to the state multicultural ideals.

Well, besides incorrectly defining multiculturalism as some kind of scary part the modern zeitgeist that is forcing people to conform to other people's cultures when in fact it is by definition "the appreciation, acceptance or promotion of multiple cultures" (you are in no way obligated to conform to it through letter of law or society), you then jump to conflating multiculturalism with unregulated immigration, which is lunacy. I thank you for inventing these imaginary things like "training people to become embarrassed of their own national identity," as if that has ever occurred in any country outside of minuscule traditionally left-leaning circles, and then citing the great politician David Cameron,a pillar of virtue in modern Britain, of course, and Nicolas Sarkozy, who actually wants to recognize the Armenian Genocide. That sounds a lot like recognizing the trials of another culture. Hmm.... Perhaps you have some quotes from these men that say "enforced multiculturalism is a failure," ignoring the fact that I have not mentioned it at all before this post, nor suggested it? With unchecked conservatism you get more Breiviks and England Defence Leagues and tearing down minarets and banning hijabs and soon you reach the level of your enemies and realize it far too late to return. I hate this dog whistle xenophobia.

[Serbia Strong]

I collect flags as well. :3

I too have a boner for flags.

I am currently flying my Qing dynasty one.

[Lunar]

You might be surprised to see just how many northerners around these parts fly it. But the one I see most often (other than the American flag) is the Gadsden flag.

I love that flag. But I don't think a lot of folks around here would recognize it, that and it's kinda expensive.

[Littlerock]

I love that flag. But I don't think a lot of folks around here would recognize it, that and it's kinda expensive.

You know those little car-window clip flags? Shitloads of them. No idea where anyone's even getting them, either, I don't see them in stores or anything. But I want one :0 (Before I get one though, I'll be making my own jolly roger. Keeping with the times of internet piracy, and all that.)

[ADF]

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The problem with people like you, as your post suggests, is you don't recognise state multiculturalism programme even exists. That there is only one type of multiculturalism, the real kind, and that this state multiculturalism is just that. The kind where a foreigner moves into your street and you learn about each others cultures, trading and respecting each others ideas and customs. The type of multiculturalism that has existed for as long as people have travelled.

The type of multiculturalism I'm talking about are programmes implemented by European countries that overwhelmingly favours the immigrant over the resident. It's a one way relationship, where multiculturalism means the country accommodates the foreign culture; rather than us accommodating each other. But what our countries leaders are quickly discovering, the people you have chosen to disregard; because they don't comply with your way of thinking. Is that if you do everything in your power to accommodate a foreign culture, if you seal them in an impervious box of so called respect, that integration is far less successful than if they just got involved with the local culture.

State multiculturalism is anti integration. It encourages people to live in a bubble where they behave like they're back home, because the state is all too willing to accommodate all their homeland cultural needs. Thinking it's a sign of respect. When in reality the best way to encourage integration, is to simply assist them in settling into the local culture. Not making the local culture look like xenophobes, just because they may prefer their local one to this foreign one.

And I know you've been indoctrinated with the state enforced form of multiculturalism, when your reaction to someone simply stating they respect other cultures; but didn't want it pushed onto them was to accuse them a racism. That's pretty much a standard tactic of state multiculturalism, to scream racism at everyone for even the smallest signs of none compliance until they obey

[Lunar]

You know those little car-window clip flags? Shitloads of them. No idea where anyone's even getting them, either, I don't see them in stores or anything. But I want one :0 (Before I get one though, I'll be making my own jolly roger. Keeping with the times of internet piracy, and all that.)

Make the skull wear thick computer-nerd glasses.

[Wreth]

I'm not really patriotic or nationalistic, in the sense that I don't like my own country more than any other, and I don't care for people in my country more than I care for people in other countries.

However, I do like being told I sound very British. I tend to get told I sound very British by other british people.

Hell, I enjoy tea and biscuits too.

What what, tally ho p_o

[Mayfurr]

That survey is bullshit. That's just 102 people, that's not the whole population, it's inaccurate.

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE - the survey polled 513 people, not 102. The 102 were simply the ones who had the flags.
It's a survey, not a fucking census question. Geez.

I see it hasn't stopped the predictable Little Englander "OMG multiculturalism is teh evilz" bullshit coming out though. It's fascinating how you've twisted the article to claim it says something it didn't. And as far as how the whole question of "waving an Aussie national flag = racist" came up, I refer you to the 2005 Cronulla riots where "patriotic" Australians decided that the best way to express their pride in being (white) Australians was to

...get down to North Cronulla to help support Leb and wog [sic] bashing day...Bring your mates down and let's show them this is our beach and they're never welcome back

At 13:45, another two boys (from Bangladesh) were surrounded by the crowd, and had bottles thrown at them, with the crowd repeatedly chanting “Fuck off Lebs!”, with the boys subsequently being able to escape by car. Chants and slogans such as “Fuck off Lebs!”, “We grew here, you flew here”, “Aussie Pride”, “Fuck off wogs!”, were repeated throughout the day by the crowd. The crowd also attacked the police by throwing beer bottles.

If this behaviour is supposed to be "patriotic" and "pride in one's race", you can fucking keep it.

[Gibby]

It's always this, yet the bottom line is cultural imperialism is a complete fabrication, a drum beat on by conservatives everywhere when minorities start demanding cool little things like 'civil rights' and 'happiness.' If you see cultural imperialism anywhere, or life threatening CULTURAL CHANGE that's how society works, it reshapes itself constantly, incorporating many cultures. Also you are a racist.

Do I try to discriminate against those of another race or deem than as inferior? No, I do not. And word is over here, laws are changing which involves English citizens to not only accomodate (which is great in my book) but also take part in what they do. They want us to, as well. They're definitely in the wrong, I did not ASK to be a part of that.

[Gryphoneer]

Since this is now a talk about the EU, I recommend all of you google the so-called Red House Report, an intelligence document suggesting that near the end of WWII Nazi Germany came up with the idea of gaining control of Europe via an economic alliance should it fail militarily.

Comrades, our ruse is up!

Yes, we never went democratic, we're still all Nazis who seek to erect the Fourth Reich through the EU front! And no one will stop us to further our Nazi agenda by spreading understanding among nations, prosperity and the ideals of socialist democracy! MWAHAHAHAHA!

Heil Merkel!

[Onnes]

Do I try to discriminate against those of another race or deem than as inferior? No, I do not. And word is over here, laws are changing which involves English citizens to not only accomodate (which is great in my book) but also take part in what they do. They want us to, as well. They're definitely in the wrong, I did not ASK to be a part of that.

Is the use of "they" here meant to be as hilarious as it looks? Come on man, thinking that in general foreign peoples are out to control you and subvert your government just smacks of xenophobia. I'd love to see you even try and back that claim up.

[Lizzie]

Comrades, our ruse is up!

Yes, we never went democratic, we're still all Nazis who seek to erect the Fourth Reich through the EU front! And no one will stop us to further our Nazi agenda by spreading understanding among nations, prosperity and the ideals of socialist democracy! MWAHAHAHAHA!

Heil Merkel!

"You turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning."

[Gibby]

Is the use of "they" here meant to be as hilarious as it looks? Come on man, thinking that in general foreign peoples are out to control you and subvert your government just smacks of xenophobia. I'd love to see you even try and back that claim up.

http://trendsupdates.com/uk-combats-...its-territory/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...ighereducation

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/....0556970c-800wi

It's these people that I want to see gone. It's ok if they have "foreign" beliefs and ideas, they're welcome to stay. Its these radicals and extremists who are the problem. It's not ok. It doesn't matter where you're from or where you are, this behaviour is simply not ok.

[Lobar]

And whose fault is it? Foreigners. Too many foreigners come into this country either legally or illegally and cannot stand the culture or its ways of working. If they like their own ideas so much and keep talking about how great it was there, why don't they just go back? Not all foreigners are the same and they actually do respect the country, but ugh, some people.

Is it foreigners or is it ultranationalists? I can't completely relate to the situation over there because America is different from Australia and the U.K. obviously, but I do honestly get a bit leery of anyone prominently displaying flags (the more flags the leerier) on a non-holiday, and I'm a white guy with American ancestry tracing back to at least the Civil War.

[Gibby]

Is it foreigners or is it ultranationalists? I can't completely relate to the situation over there because America is different from Australia and the U.K. obviously, but I do honestly get a bit leery of anyone prominently displaying flags (the more flags the leerier) on a non-holiday, and I'm a white guy with American ancestry tracing back to at least the Civil War.

My problem is not with multicultralism or foreigners in general. If you'd all read my posts, I said that multicultralism is a good thing thing and my problem is with forcing it upon others who do not want to live under a different culture and committing crimes in the name of it.

[Onnes]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...ighereducation

Well this is quite illustrative. A right-wing thinktank has a poll which portrays Muslim students as dangerous extremists. Quite the face of xenophobia. For some more information on the survey, try this article.

http://trendsupdates.com/uk-combats-the-spread-of-radical-islam-in-its-territory/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/....0556970c-800wi

It's these people that I want to see gone. It's ok if they have "foreign" beliefs and ideas, they're welcome to stay. Its these radicals and extremists who are the problem. It's not ok. It doesn't matter where you're from or where you are, this behaviour is simply not ok.

Extremists exist, we get it. But you're using language which accuses Muslims in a much broader sense of engaging in "cultural imperialism", without a shred of real evidence. This is dangerous and divisive.

[Gibby]

Extremists exist, we get it. But you're using language which accuses Muslims in a much broader sense of engaging in "cultural imperialism", without a shred of real evidence. This is dangerous and divisive.

You're gonna nitpick on language? I am telling you now, as I have told you before, I do not care if muslims are in or are not the country at all. As long as they behave, there is nothing wrong with it. This extremism is simply not ok.

[Rakuen Growlithe]

Honestly, what do you have against patriotism and national pride?

Different things for both. National pride is the least problematic. One has an attachment to one's countries and likes to share in their successes. That's mostly harmless. My issue with that (and gay pride and similar things) is when it becomes pride in being X. We have a campaign here called "Proudly South African" to encourage buying local goods and stuff. You can't be proud to be a member of a country or sexuality because it isn't an achievement. It's like having pride that you drew an Ace from a deck of cards, it's just pure luck.

Patriotism however tends towards people seeing their country as one that can't do wrong and that it is the best in the world. This of course necessitates seeing other countries as lesser, which is the roots of prejudice. With that it's not surprising that the Australians flying flags are more likely to be racist. Patriotism loses sight of equality and the arbitrariness of life. Someone isn't inferior just because they come from another country and they aren't better because of it either. When you realise that a person who is patriotic about his country might have been born in a different one, where he almost certainly wouldn't have that same outlook, you realise that the entire concept is shallow.

[Term_the_Schmuck]

I too have a boner for flags.

I am currently flying my Qing dynasty one.

Pfft flags.

Needs moar hockey jerseys.

I'm still looking for this.

Not a knock-off one either.

[TheRedRaptor]

I'd be flying the Australian flag upside down if I had one.

[KingNow]

I all honesty, I find any racial pride to be stupid.

Are Africans proud to be black? Fuck no, because that's not their cultural identity - their customs and traditions are.
A flag should not pertain to any sort of race, it should symbolize nothing but nationality.

[Littlerock]

I'd be flying the Australian flag upside down if I had one.

That made me think: how do you tell when the Union Jack is being flown in a time of distress? Hahahaaa ha, heh, derp. (Yeah I'll shut up now.)

[TheRedRaptor]

That made me think: how do you tell when the Union Jack is being flown in a time of distress? Hahahaaa ha, heh, derp. (Yeah I'll shut up now.)

The parts representing the St. Patrick's' Cross would be in the wrong place

[Littlerock]

The parts representing the St. Patrick's' Cross would be in the wrong place

Nothing obvious at a glance though, especially to a foreigner.