Site broken

[Bluflare]

Someone back there is pressing the wrong buttons : P

Don't worry people the site will be back to normal by tommorow trust me if not.

I will bash myself in the head 10 times with 2x4, and I will stream it for proof.

[Foxxel]

Think of DA when they have a new post or beta post if your a beta tester. You'll always get the updates even if your not watching them.
And you should be able to delete it I assume. But I'm not completely sure on that.

[drpickelle]

April Fools? Haha-- good one FA! :V

[Cloudchaser]

I see a lot of complaints about the thumbnails. But I can't see for myself because now FA seems to be offline completely. Won't load at all. And that's on one of my off nights when I'd normally use browsing FA as one way to stave off boredom. Finding other things to do is too much work, especially if those things are work.

[thoron]

I see a lot of complaints about the thumbnails. But I can't see for myself because now FA seems to be offline completely. Won't load at all. And that's on one of my off nights when I'd normally use browsing FA as one way to stave off boredom. Finding other things to do is too much work, especially if those things are work.

It isn't down so much as its ungodly slow at the moment. But that happens with every update.

[Ben]

I think the most important thing to remember here is that, not only are submission thumbnails bigger, but uploading custom thumbnails for submissions no longer does anything. Therefore, artists can no longer put disclaimers on extreme fetish pictures, and they appear larger.

Couple this with the fact that tag filtering still doesn't exist after being promised six years ago, and this update's honestly kind of embarrassing, and no doubt infuriating for some people who don't like having their senses offended by the stranger side of fetishes.

[PheagleAdler]

I wonder if this update will include an overhaul to the favorites counter...I noticed mine was off a while ago and 'Neer mentioned to me that they would (might?) be creating two separate counters for 'Favorites Given' and 'Favorites Received' or something like that.

[PheagleAdler]

I think the most important thing to remember here is that, not only are submission thumbnails bigger, but uploading custom thumbnails for submissions no longer does anything. Therefore, artists can no longer put disclaimers on extreme fetish pictures, and they appear larger.

Couple this with the fact that tag filtering still doesn't exist after being promised six years ago, and this update's honestly kind of embarrassing, and no doubt infuriating for some people who don't like having their senses offended by the stranger side of fetishes.

Custom thumbnails still show up on your user page. And Cerberus thinks it could be a bug that it's not showing elsewhere.

They're not getting removed. As far as I know, it's a bug.

[Ben]

Custom thumbnails still show up on your user page. And Cerberus thinks it could be a bug that it's not showing elsewhere.

I'm aware, but the main page is where it matters most, followed by notifications, and then gallery. And I'm sure it's a bug, but it's one they should have worked out before imposing the change onto the public.

[CerbrusNL]

Ben, if everything is as infuriating as you make it to be, why are you even here?
It's not like you have to use FA or anything.

Ah well, updates, no opdates. Bugs, no bugs... One can never please a furry. Not to mention all of them.

[Ben]

Ben, if everything is as infuriating as you make it to be, why are you even here?
It's not like you have to use FA or anything.

Ah well, updates, no opdates. Bugs, no bugs... One can never please a furry. Not to mention all of them.

I didn't say it was infuriating me, I was pointing out that a lot of people who don't like having questionable material shoved in their faces like that will be infuriated. And this isn't an issue of "OH, YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE", it's an issue of the site's functionality has objectively been made worse by making extreme fetish art larger and unconcealed by warnings. "If you don't like it, don't use it!" is really the wrong response when the coding team is squarely in the wrong here, and it's more than a subjective issue of "boohoo I don't like big thumbnails!"

Like I said, it doesn't bother me on a personal level (hell, some of the funniest art is bad fetish art), but this is a pretty big-screwup for those it does bother. Really.

[Verin Asper]

Ben, did you forget that FA dont really do things off to the side?
They often do it right there and then and work out the kinks over time while the process is active.
It will be done, stop treating it like they gonna leave it that way.

[Ben]

Ben, did you forget that FA dont really do things off to the side?
They often do it right there and then and work out the kinks over time while the process is active.
It will be done, stop treating it like they gonna leave it that way.

I know they'll probably maybe fix it eventually, but I'm not really sure why you're defending that means of doing things. Always try to work kinks out in beta testing, especially ones that cripple an essential site function such as custom preview thumbnails. I know it's essentially par for the course for FA, but after seven years, it's a little depressing that this is still the way things are done.

[Charem]

I have to agree with Ben here. He seems to be taking a very moderate stance and making a good point. Constructive critique should never be discouraged, as you other folks seem to be doing. If you don't like what he says, fine, but don't put him down for saying it.

It may be true that kinks can be worked out after-the-fact of an update, and often need to be. But to call this the 'way it works' for FA, and to call it something that simply needs to be 'accepted' is a very dangerous approach. We should always be fair and reasonable towards a website and its staff; mistakes happen, and throwing a fit over them is childish.

But to be so lenient only encourages sloppy behavior from a site. It's a case of accountability; users have every right to speak up about things that bother them about a site like FA, and it allows staff to form a better picture of what users want and expect. The problem is that many who speak up do so immaturely, so there is an unreasonable stigma against 'negative' opinions.

Critique, stating what one likes and what one doesn't like... Well, that's valuable information, when it's presented honestly and after some thought, such as Ben did. Heck, Ben was even considering how other, less-mature people might respond to issues such as the broken custom thumbnails. He's thinking in a scope larger than just himself, which is rare and something to be appreciated.

See... I am the owner of a semi-popular forum, and I'm really the only one with any coding experience on my staff team, so when things around the forum change, it's my doing. I try to do my best, but sometimes I screw up; it happens, because I'm not the best at coding. The complaints I get alert me to the issues and help me figure out what's the matter, but some people are...well, too lenient. They don't address the issues, and they don't really seem to care, so sometimes my mistakes fly under my radar for a while. This makes the forum buggy or less-functional for a longer period of time...which, isn't good. I appreciate honest critiques over my changes too, blunt opinions. It's all extremely useful to me and the other staff.

I know that FA's staff are good people, for the most part. They'll listen to complaints if they're spoken wisely and maturely.

-EDIT-

Forgot to conclude by saying that, one should always strive to fix bugs BEFORE making a feature public. I have test pages on my forum, so I can safely run new features by those pages and see what happens, how things work. I know FA staff can do something similar when they want to. It's normal for bugs to get out even after testing of more complex things, but...custom thumbnails breaking? I'm sorry, but that's something that's quite big and quite obvious, and I can safely say if I were changing thumbnail sizes, checking to see how custom thumbnails were doing would've been one of the first things I'd do...

[Verin Asper]

I know they'll probably maybe fix it eventually, but I'm not really sure why you're defending that means of doing things. Always try to work kinks out in beta testing, especially ones that cripple an essential site function such as custom preview thumbnails. I know it's essentially par for the course for FA, but after seven years, it's a little depressing that this is still the way things are done.

First thing first
Its sad you think I'm defending this, as I'm merely stating what will always happen with this site cause how often this is the usual course of things.
I'm expecting folks will bitch like always, and FA team will as always go "it will over and done with please bear with this transition" and I'm half expecting that the instant its fixed people will proceed to bitch about the system more. Its either go down one path of folks going "hey if you can redo the thumbnail system why can you give us our blacklisting ability OR folks will bitch that the thumbnails are too big and want it how it was before.


FA is forever stuck being a bitch pit, problem is actually both sides with users being sometimes VERY unbearable and the admin team somethings not stopping and damn thinking. Common damn sense would say "do this small scale somewhere it wont affect the main site...sucks that FA cant do that cause they also didnt stop to think that maybe they need someplace to TEST said items in small scale or beta test.

One thing I would wish is that the admin team eventually start actually stopping to think and actually plan instead of winging it and hope it works out in the end, cause that is the same damn thing that happens to be pissing off your user base if the site becomes so unusable cause you are doing a live work and didnt think to tell us "hey the site will be slow, maybe you shouldnt come onto FA" or even best yet "FA is temporary shut down to test an item that might be introduced onto FA, the site will be back after the tests"

But this is FA...and it will forever be run this way, and thus forever STUCK being a bitch pit.
I'm in support for the new thumbnails, but I do believe they need more work which I know is coming

[Calico-Feathers]

Ben, if everything is as infuriating as you make it to be, why are you even here?
It's not like you have to use FA or anything.

Ah well, updates, no opdates. Bugs, no bugs... One can never please a furry. Not to mention all of them.

Really? Really? You're gonna jump on the don't-like-it-don't-use-it train? The unfortunate news is that the majority of us wouldn't use FA except that the other alternatives aren't as popular or became havens for creeps. If you're an artist trying to make money, you go where the commissioners are, and that means where there's a bigger pool of clients. And if you're a commissioner you go where the good artists are. Unfortunately FA's sheer amount of users makes it bulletproof to everyone leaving at once.

The truth of the matter is the new thumbnails look horrible. And the lack of custom thumbnails only make matters that much worse. I'm with Ben on this one.

[Bluflare]

Really? Really? You're gonna jump on the don't-like-it-don't-use-it train?

Oh I have seen alot of that lately, and for the fact that I have a few actual friends on FA that want to stay. Trust me I would leave no doubt, but I cannot not until my friends leave.

[Ben]

First thing first
Its sad you think I'm defending this, as I'm merely stating what will always happen with this site cause how often this is the usual course of things.

Well I mean, the overall tone of your post implied you were okay with (even if begrudgingly) the way site updates are handled, but sure.

Also, it's not impossible to pull FA out of a bitchpit, it's just that, because of the attitude that FA is stuck in a neverending spiral of mistakes, that it's just not possible to pull out, a solid effort to do so never materializes. So while it probably won't happen, it's definitely possible to change the general tone associated with the website. Granted it would involve stronger communication, making sure everything works before rolling it out, and actually having things to roll out, but hey, it is technically feasible, even if not likely.

[ElCid]

Just now noticed pretty much all custom thumbnail images seem to be gone too. Brilliant, FA staff.

[Smelge]

Furthermore: it's really something when you update your site and the majority of reactions are "what the shit, FA broke"

DUMB DUMB STUPID DUMB

Because everyone who complains is everyone on FA, right? No. The people who are fine with it, or don't care or like it don't feel the need to whine about it. So of course all you'll get is a load of negative comments.

[CannonFodder]

DUMB DUMB STUPID DUMB

Because everyone who complains is everyone on FA, right? No. The people who are fine with it, or don't care or like it don't feel the need to whine about it. So of course all you'll get is a load of negative comments.

You can gauge how many people dislike the update by how fast the thread is going. The fact this thread hasn't become a level five shitstorm with 20 posts every minute means yes you are correct not everyone hates the update and there are people who are fine with it.

[PheagleAdler]

You can gauge how many people dislike the update by how fast the thread is going. The fact this thread hasn't become a level five shitstorm with 20 posts every minute means yes you are correct not everyone hates the update and there are people who are fine with it.

People do this all the time; furry or no furry. Whenever a site's layout changes or anything else big occurs, people get all bent out of shape about it...but most eventually move on and get used to the new format. FA's not gonna suddenly cancel all the new updates because a few people "hate" it. Let's sit it out and see what happens first.

[Draconas]

So lets recap!
Any extensions that interact with submissions are no longer working
Custom adblock entries are no longer working
Custom thumbnails are no longer working
The new bullshit takes up a lot of the screen
Buttons are fucked up (at least on my end) along with some formatting.


My honest to god thoughts on this are that, this update needs to die, the old thing was better.

[thoron]

You can gauge how many people dislike the update by how fast the thread is going. The fact this thread hasn't become a level five shitstorm with 20 posts every minute means yes you are correct not everyone hates the update and there are people who are fine with it.

Well, lets see...... People need to sleep, plus for me at least when I heard that there might be an option at a later date to customize thumbnail sizes I became content with the update.

[Smelge]

So lets recap!
Any extensions that interact with submissions are no longer working
Custom adblock entries are no longer working
Custom thumbnails are no longer working
The new bullshit takes up a lot of the screen
Buttons are fucked up (at least on my end) along with some formatting.


My honest to god thoughts on this are that, this update needs to die, the old thing was better.

So you are complaining because third-party stuff doesn't automatically work now?