Tea Party Speaker to LGBT protesters: 'We Will Not Be Silenced By Faggots'

[Term_the_Schmuck]

So this is the police officer that was choking that dude?

http://boxofficeboredom.com/blog/wp-.../reginald1.jpg

Needs moar Twinkies and Bruce Willis.

[Conker]

Well, it seems that they were right. They haven't been silenced by faggots, and now their words are being spread around because of the language they used.

[mrfoxwily]

Meh. I don't see how people find the energy to fight on either side.

[Commiecomrade]

There's a common saying: "I may not support what you believe but I will die for your right to express it."

Tea Party'ers need to know what Patriotism and freedom really mean.

[Kit H. Ruppell]

Faggots will not be silenced by white trash.

[Tybalt Maxwell]

Up here in Canada (here we go)

We have laws against "hate speech"

Which is basically a law that says "You may not publicly spread claims that paint a bad light on a demographic"

Which is why groups like the KKK aren't allowed to publicly assemble

Yes, it's against "Free speech", but who the fuck cares \:3/

[Kit H. Ruppell]

Up here in Canada (here we go)

We have laws against "hate speech"

Which is basically a law that says "You may not publicly spread claims that paint a bad light on a demographic"

Which is why groups like the KKK aren't allowed to publicly assemble

Yes, it's against "Free speech", but who the fuck cares \:3/

Wizrobe-cosplaying pigfuckers aside, If the claims are true, or at least supported by evidence, I see a great potential for harm in such legislation.

[Jashwa]

Which is basically a law that says "You may not publicly spread claims that paint a bad light on a demographic"

American politics would implode if they weren't allowed to cast the opposition as baby murderers or people that hunt the poor for sport, respectively.

[Spatel]

Yes, hunting the poor for sport is a silly comparison, since Republicans in Congress would consider that a form of socialist handout.

[Gryphoneer]

The desire to see the poor die isn't a sport for right-wing authoritarians but a life mission.

[Tybalt Maxwell]

Wizrobe-cosplaying pigfuckers aside, If the claims are true, or at least supported by evidence, I see a great potential for harm in such legislation.

If it's a true claim it's allowed, like I can protest against Nambla because they're all child molesters

And I can even write to the newspaper complaining about how the catholic church has a problem with child molesters

I can't stand on a street corner calling for the death of all jews, backed by the claim "They're all child molesters"

[KingNow]

Any socially right-wing nutcrunch that still takes themselves seriously, especially those Tea Party pieces of shit, needs to be forever silenced.
I'm DONE with their radical agenda and I've FUCKING HAD IT with them obliterating our rights.

[Unsilenced]

Any socially right-wing nutcrunch that still takes themselves seriously, especially those Tea Party pieces of shit, needs to be forever silenced.
I'm DONE with their radical agenda and I've FUCKING HAD IT with them obliterating our rights.

So a political opinion needs to be silenced... to protect rights?

...

There are problems with this.

[Dragonfurry]

Any socially right-wing nutcrunch that still takes themselves seriously, especially those Tea Party pieces of shit, needs to be forever silenced.
I'm DONE with their radical agenda and I've FUCKING HAD IT with them obliterating our rights.

So basically silence people who dont agree your opinions? I swear your statement is so hypocritical and contradictory I cant even...

[Seian Verian]

So a political opinion needs to be silenced... to protect rights?

...

There are problems with this.

To be fair, there are problems with approximately EVERYTHING that involves the Tea Party and others like them. So you get to choose one set of problems over another... Thousand.

Oh well.

[Gryphoneer]

So a political opinion needs to be silenced... to protect rights?

...

There are problems with this.

Exactly, and therefore we should give audience to every political opinion, like Stalinism, Maoism and Nazism. :V

But seriously, some ideologies are objectively wrong and dangerous and shouldn't be tolerated. I think we all agree blaming everyone non-heterosexual, non-WASPish for all American problems and planning to establish an oppressive theocracy is such a case.

I don't think he meant with being silenced that those Teabagger Klansmen should be put up against the wall rather than marginalized.

[Unsilenced]

Exactly, and therefore we should give audience to every political opinion, like Stalinism, Maoism and Nazism. :V

But seriously, some ideologies are objectively wrong and dangerous and shouldn't be tolerated. I think we all agree blaming everyone non-heterosexual, non-WASPish for all American problems and planning to establish an oppressive theocracy is such a case.

I don't think he meant with being silenced that those Teabagger Klansmen should be put up against the wall rather than marginalized.

If you're expecting me to object to the bolded statement, it's not going to happen. I think I've made it clear in the past what I think of communism, yet I'd rather hear it preached than see it silenced by law.

[Gryphoneer]

Stalin's genocidal megalomania has as much in common with Marx and Engels' theory as Dianetics with modern psychology...

[greg-the-fox]

Up here in Canada (here we go)

We have laws against "hate speech"

Which is basically a law that says "You may not publicly spread claims that paint a bad light on a demographic"

Which is why groups like the KKK aren't allowed to publicly assemble

Yes, it's against "Free speech", but who the fuck cares \:3/

If you make loopholes for hate speech, pretty soon the people in power will label anything that they don't like 'hate speech'
Either speech is completely free, or it isn't free at all.

[Metalmeerkat]

Up here in Canada (here we go)

We have laws against "hate speech"

Which is basically a law that says "You may not publicly spread claims that paint a bad light on a demographic"

Which is why groups like the KKK aren't allowed to publicly assemble

Yes, it's against "Free speech", but who the fuck cares \:3/

Because if when whackos get into power, iron clad free speech is your best defense against being silenced. And if they're the ones in charge, you are now the whacko, not them. See the problem? It's very hard to make well-intentioned legislation that can't be turned around for ulterior motives.
Environmentally-friendly regulations? Will be turned around as anti-competitive ban hammers by large companies.
Patents and Intellectual property? Will be turned around to stifle innovation, start-ups, and competition.
Tax breaks to encourage good behavior? More room for fraud.

Silence hurtful speech? It will be turned around to define whatever you say as hurtful. Criticizing a business is "hurtful" to the well being of the business economy. "Harmful" to social stability. Criticizing another religion, criticizing a politician, criticizing bigotry, criticizing oppression . . .

The point not that you can't have exceptions or legislate something, but that you have to be very careful when trying to do so. Hence why the US takes it so seriously and errs on the side of less restriction.

[sunshyne]

Exactly, and therefore we should give audience to every political opinion, like Stalinism, Maoism and Nazism. :V

But seriously, some ideologies are objectively wrong and dangerous and shouldn't be tolerated. I think we all agree blaming everyone non-heterosexual, non-WASPish for all American problems and planning to establish an oppressive theocracy is such a case.

I don't think he meant with being silenced that those Teabagger Klansmen should be put up against the wall rather than marginalized.

To be honest, silencing people like the neo-Nazis and the worst of the Tea Party bigots might actually SLOW DOWN the progression of gay rights. Little oopsies like these hurt their own cause way more than they help it. Kind of similar to how, in the 1960's South, the Civil Rights movement got helped along by news images of southern police officers spraying black protestors with fire hoses.

But in any case we just can't start declaring certain ideologies unspeakable. If that were permitted, then 50 years ago the gay rights movement would have BEEN one of those ideologies. And then where do you think it would be today?

[Gryphoneer]

If you make loopholes for hate speech, pretty soon the people in power will label anything that they don't like 'hate speech'
Either speech is completely free, or it isn't free at all.

Not if that "loopholes" are clearly defined to clamp down on unsubstantiated demagoguery.

As a member of a society (any society) you don't just have freedoms, but also responsibilities. And your freedom ends where another person's ends.

[greg-the-fox]

Not if that "loopholes" are clearly defined to clamp down on unsubstantiated demagoguery.

As a member of a society (any society) you don't just have freedoms, but also responsibilities. And your freedom ends where another person's ends.

There are loopholes that are clearly defined, such as slander, death threats, or inciting a panic. The problem is 'hate speech' is difficult to define in concrete terms, and the definition is largely subjective and easily exploitable.

[Gryphoneer]

You mean as subjective as slander or panic-mongering, surely?

[Tybalt Maxwell]

Because if when whackos get into power, iron clad free speech is your best defense against being silenced. And if they're the ones in charge, you are now the whacko, not them. See the problem? It's very hard to make well-intentioned legislation that can't be turned around for ulterior motives.
Environmentally-friendly regulations? Will be turned around as anti-competitive ban hammers by large companies.
Patents and Intellectual property? Will be turned around to stifle innovation, start-ups, and competition.
Tax breaks to encourage good behavior? More room for fraud.

Silence hurtful speech? It will be turned around to define whatever you say as hurtful. Criticizing a business is "hurtful" to the well being of the business economy. "Harmful" to social stability. Criticizing another religion, criticizing a politician, criticizing bigotry, criticizing oppression . . .

The point not that you can't have exceptions or legislate something, but that you have to be very careful when trying to do so. Hence why the US takes it so seriously and errs on the side of less restriction.

It's funny because people everywhere are bashing harper and yet he's not called hate speech on anything

You're painting government in a worse light than it's actually in. Maybe this would happen in the states, I couldn't say, but this law has never been and probably will never be redefined

Hate speech is "untrue claims meant to inspire hatred against a certain group of people"

Disagreeing with someone's policies isn't this. Rallying everyone to kill someone over claims proven untrue is

Like, we're as close as we can reasonably be to having a "whacko" in charge (he cheated, it's not my fault), and yet this law hasn't lead to a new nazi regime

There are loopholes that are clearly defined, such as slander, death threats, or inciting a panic. The problem is 'hate speech' is difficult to define in concrete terms, and the definition is largely subjective and easily exploitable.

It's p. black and white

here let me find the real wording

from wiki: "In Canada, advocating genocide^[14] or inciting hatred^[15] against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with maximum prison terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990)."

So calling gays faggots on the individual level wouldn't fall under this, but using that tone in a rally certainly would

Calling harper dumb is a personal attack on his character, and not hate speech