Is Pervy "Art" Bad?

[XoPachi]

Eh yes and no. If you're going to be a pro that applies more. However, you may not know what you like drawing until...well you draw it. Like trying out food. You don't know if a food is going to be good till you try it.

I'm saying it's easier due to "that's what all the cool kids are doing" to gravitate to certain kinds of art depending where you're at. If you're around a place that does cool portraits and you want to be a part of that - you'll gravitate to it. If you notice a lot of people doing pervy art you'll gravitate towards that.

People start off by drawing things that attracted them in the first place - a cartoon, comic book etc...

So "just draw porn because it makes you feel good and not look at anything else because they're trying to make you feel guilty" is close minded as "don't draw any porn/raunch because you'll be seen as a pervert if you do it"

You are probably not going to be very good at the thing you want to start drawing because...you're already more aware of what will look wrong. If anything take it as a positive instead of a negative. It means you're going to be more observant. You start small, by combining your fun drawings with your foundational ones. You have cool toys, draw that - it helps too.

So the first thing is to realize it's "eventually" and not "I can't" usually "I can't" points to more problems that aren't art related actually - It's ok to be frustrated but sometimes people have emotional issues they need to take care of first - and art may have to come later. I had to battle with depression and still do. So I try dealing with that instead of letting it consume my attitude towards art. This isn't easy at all either. However, if I don't recognize and deal with it, I'll always have a shitty attitude towards progress.

You too, huh? I had an extreme bout with it also. I'm talking about 3 pills twice a day and 2 months from home. I don't need the medicine anymore, but I'm not exactly happy with myself either. I just kind of adapted to a "negative" outlook on most of life's big endeavors when I finally came home "fixed" and still apply them. They just made more sense to me. Maybe that's my issue, but I'm not sure and don't think I ever will be.

I wish I had Gradius toys or toys in general to draw. I could actually see that helping, but just drawing the Vic Viper all day wouldn't solve much. I used to try and copy some of the art of my Gradius Yugioh cards. That's when I noticed "the cycle". Try drawing something new with confidence, fail about 20 times, get frustrated, quit, throw a mild man tantrum, go right back to drawing boobs and ass. GG

[Arshes Nei]

Yeah the reason you're getting frustration with that is although copying illustrations is fine, it's harder to learn how to convey the 3d form as a 2d illustration. I'll try to explain it, but one of the big hurdles to learn is how you look at something in front of you and turn it to a believable 2d illustration. Copying a 2D illustration helps you maybe with learning line quality - but you may not understand how someone came to the conclusion (so to speak) to make something good on paper.

I had gotten a model skeleton and fake skull coin bank. I actually found skulls neat (I don't mean real ones but just models ) but rather was kinda interested how nature developed this crap to let us move around

The below is similar to what I have but mine has some bronze paint...ehh still useful though
It was like 20 bucks I think?


http://amzn.com/B0012OELRG is a desktop skeleton model I have - I had 2 but one was given away to my friend.

I had some Gundam models back in the day too....

[XoPachi]

Yeah, I was watching Don Bluth and he said copying professional work (not claiming it as your own) every once in a while is a good way to learn the basics of what it is the artist is doing. Something along those lines. I guess it's not good for everything.

[Arshes Nei]

Yeah, I was watching Don Bluth and he said copying professional work (not claiming it as your own) every once in a while is a good way to learn the basics of what it is the artist is doing. Something along those lines. I guess it's not good for everything.

Yup, I have no real problem with people copying other illustrations for studies. You do what you can. I'm just saying the downside when not working with something in front of you.

[shadowbucket]

Plenty of professionals in the industry of comics and game art spent time drawing porn for at some point. It's nothing to be ashamed of. If you are interested in doing concept art, though, make sure that you can draw things in many different styles. Companies look for versatility. You can always have your 'fun' drawing, and your professional drawing separate from one another :> Don't feel ashamed!

[CaptainCool]

it is not "art". it is art.

[XoPachi]

I put it in quotes in case the general consensus is that it's just trash and not art. Just used to cover myself.

[FubidoKlaws]

I don't really consider drawings to be pervy. I think a lot of what an artist may put in to their art may offend some but intrigue others.
Now the character in the drawing could have perverted motives, but no, I don't believe that you can draw to a point where it becomes perverted. =3
Hope that makes sense. ^ ^;

[Fallowfox]

Everything should be in moderation

Including that philosophy?

[KigRatel]

Including that philosophy?

No. That philosophy is the only exception to that philosophy.

[XoPachi]

..................Philocepti- no I'm not gonna finish that. I'm sorry.

[Fallowfox]

..................Philocepti- no I'm not gonna finish that. I'm sorry.

A paradox within a paradox...or is that just one paradox?
Anyway @ topic's discussion of copying. My art A-level, which I recently finished, necessitated reproducing paintings and drawings by other artists, probably because the people who designed the course expect a large number of its takers to become boring old immitators, but nevertheless it is a useful method for leaning, like you said.

[KigRatel]

..................Philocepti- no I'm not gonna finish that. I'm sorry.

Philoception.

There, I finished it for you. You can thank me later.

Anyways, referring to the original topic of this thread, I assume by "pervy" you mean suggestive, as opposed to explicitly pornographic. If that's the case, I suppose that's okay.

[GaFruff]

It depends on how you define are really.. I draw a bunch of porn but I don't consider it art because it's not really furthering human enlightenment.. I try to make it well crafted though. I do a bunch of sci-fi/fantasy stuff otherwise but I don't consider that art either for the same reason, it has more of an entertainment angle. In the end there's no universal definition of art (anymore) so it's pretty much up to the individual to decide what art is..

[Nadir]

Absolutely not. Now, don't misconstrue that as me saying the dirtiest of pictures throughout FA and the internet at large should be waved around in public, but there isn't anything bad or wrong about any of them!

And ARE they art? Yes.

Because when you think about it, even the most pornographic of works are still a form of expression, an illustration of our baser instincts, to deny it would be to deny an entire facet of our human existence, and that goes against my every belief about art.

As I'm certain somebody already pointed out, art has no true definition these days, but it is and always has been expression, in my humble opinion.

Just keep a very firm, realistic dividing line between your NSFW work, which is for yourself and the people of FA, and your professional work.