[11:51] ArrowTibbs2: I post it all in one place, but I think that the VCL folders system would be useful to help with that. And a "do not notify watchers" thing
[11:53] ArrowTibbs2: I also was putting totgether a list of suggestion about what the admin panel needs and such
[11:53] ArrowTibbs2: Yeah
[11:53] yak3000: well, i can't see it. and if i can't see it - it doesn't exist for me ^^
[11:53] yak3000: and i can't suggeest on it
[11:54] ArrowTibbs2: Yeah
[11:54] yak3000: oh, misunderstood you there
[11:54] ArrowTibbs2: But you might know some functions that would be useful
[11:54] yak3000: sure, i'll contribute to that list myself
[11:55] yak3000: what are your thoughts on banning vs de-voicing?
[11:56] ArrowTibbs2: I like the de-voicing idea
[11:56] ArrowTibbs2: Maybe without the submission part too
[11:56] yak3000: it just hit me in the head today
[11:56] ArrowTibbs2: I just never thought of that as a method, that's very clever actually.
[11:56] yak3000: and it should be a piece of cake to implement given the current codebase
[11:56] ArrowTibbs2: ^_^ brb
[11:58] ArrowTibbs2: Okay
[11:59] yak3000: now about that admin pannel
[11:59] yak3000: what /do/ you have there now?
[12:00] ArrowTibbs2: We have user editing functions (import, change pass, edit user info, etc)
[12:00] ArrowTibbs2: Some thigns I really don't know how to use and couldn't tell you what they do...
[12:00] ArrowTibbs2: Mostly coding stuff, category changing things
[12:04] yak3000: i think FA woulld greatly benefit from the more sofisticated user rights system
[12:04] yak3000: so that every user could be given or taken a specific right
[12:04] ArrowTibbs2: Yes
[12:04] yak3000: like 'commenting on submissions', 'sbmitting music', 'submitting stories', ' deleting his own comments', 'editing his own comments', and even admin-only stuff like deleting a user submission etc..
[12:04] yak3000: that would make a very flexible system
[12:05] ArrowTibbs2: And very easy to give dynamic punshments to fit the wrongdoing
[12:05] yak3000: yes
[12:05] ArrowTibbs2: Consistantly rude in comments? Take away that ability for a week.
[12:05] yak3000: there can be groups (like shortcuts to a number of /enabled/ options) for quick rights managment
[12:05] ArrowTibbs2: Posting submissions with the wrong tags, after being told to do it with the tags? Take away submitting.
[12:05] ArrowTibbs2: *nods*
[12:05] yak3000: nah, too harsh
[12:06] ArrowTibbs2: Depends on if they're just posting it without even looking at tags
[12:06] yak3000: say, a taskforce of people who can only modify the tags/gender/ species.
[12:06] ArrowTibbs2: All adult works posted as general, after several edits and asked by admins?
[12:06] yak3000: or delete other people's comments (double-posting taskforce ehehe)
[12:07] yak3000: well, if the person persists, then yeah, i guess it can be done
[12:07] yak3000: but i really would preffer not to do so
[12:07] yak3000: heh, there can even be a violation database to keep the record of all things done wrong by all the users
[12:08] yak3000: as an evidence
[12:08] ArrowTibbs2: I would love to see that implemented
[12:08] ArrowTibbs2: Or a warning system that would automatically delete the warning after a certain period of time in which it hasn't been renewed
[12:08] yak3000: heh, it is really a piece of cake
[12:08] yak3000: auto-lift de-voicings and temp bans
[12:10] ArrowTibbs2: It would make the lives of the admins easier, for sure, with an automated system.
[12:10] yak3000: and this 'violation database' logging would be entirely transparent.
[12:10] yak3000: you edit the wrong tags - and it is automatically logged as a tag violation
[12:11] yak3000: logged only if you belong to the 'tag cleanup taskforce'
[12:11] yak3000: aaah, i can go on like this forever
[12:12] yak3000: and if we put a small button like (report) somewhere on the page, we wouldn't even have to look for there violations - the users will notice them themselves
[12:12] yak3000: (not the preffered option, but it works)
(AFK moment)
[12:29] ArrowTibbs2: Sorry, back
[12:29] yak3000: now re: our previuos discussion about suggestions - i feel we are getting somewhere..
let's bounce ideas off each other some more
now, what tool do you think would ease your admin life?
[12:29] ArrowTibbs2: A warning system that would be invisible to regular users, but visible to all administrators
[12:30] ArrowTibbs2: Something like the username in red would work even
[12:30] ArrowTibbs2: Or even different colors or a number of times warned by the name. Something that would also be visible to the user in question.
[12:31] yak3000: aah, a'troublemaker' warning..
[12:31] ArrowTibbs2: Yeah
[12:31] yak3000: if there is going to be a 'voilation database' - it is easy
[12:31] ArrowTibbs2: Also: When warning, should have some sort of extra page to make sure it wasn't just an ancient
[12:31] yak3000: just count the number of violations - and there you have it
[12:31] ArrowTibbs2: "Do you want to warn this user?" "Yes - Cancel"
[12:31] ArrowTibbs2: Yup
[12:32] yak3000: 'warn' as how?
[12:32] ArrowTibbs2: Well, attach a warning to the users name
[12:32] yak3000: textual?
[12:32] yak3000: or just as an event?
[12:32] ArrowTibbs2: If there was some sort of link that would allow that, we should have a security page to make sure it wasn't an accidental click
[12:33] yak3000: a confirmation would ne suffice i think.. like when deleting your submissions
[12:33] ArrowTibbs2: I think warnings ought to be in two parts: A personal note with an explaination of the warning and an event in which the user receives a notice saying he/she has been warned, when, and when it will wear off.
[12:33] yak3000: *be
[12:33] ArrowTibbs2: Yes.
[12:33] ArrowTibbs2: That's what I meant ^^
[12:34] ArrowTibbs2: Should also have a way to set warnings to wear off at a certain time
[12:34] yak3000: sounds good, but.... trolls?
[12:34] ArrowTibbs2: Two days, two weeks, two months, six months, etc
[12:34] yak3000: who will warn everyone?
[12:34] ArrowTibbs2: Any administrator handling a complaint
[12:36] ArrowTibbs2: I really like the idea of priveledge revoking too
[12:37] yak3000: i have an idea... if you are an admin, you get another button under the submission and on the userpage which sais "NOTE" - you click on it, and input a small textual description -
this is like an ultra-fast un-fav-like system. just to keep the admin life as easy as it can be..
then you can browse such notes (categorised by the page they were set on, etc.) - and do something about them - like correct the tags or note the user.
[12:38] yak3000: it would save a lot of 'bother'
[12:38] ArrowTibbs2: That would, especially if it was invisible to the user

[12:38] yak3000: to go to the forum or another palce and note it manually
[12:38] ArrowTibbs2: "User harassed <username> on <date>
[12:38] yak3000: of course invisible
[12:39] yak3000: sure, these type of tags would be implemented also
[12:39] yak3000: auto-replaced
[12:39] yak3000: with actual username and date
[12:39] ArrowTibbs2: Mmhm
[12:39] ArrowTibbs2: Maybe just a date/time the message was posted would be good
[12:40] ArrowTibbs2: Which is something we need in the message centers in general...
[12:41] yak3000: no, the date on which such a note was set would be stored as well (infact, it is a _must_ and a _rule_ to mark _everything_ with timestamps)
[12:41] ArrowTibbs2: *nods*
[12:42] yak3000: anything else
[12:42] yak3000: ?
[12:42] ArrowTibbs2: Well, on timestamps...
[12:42] ArrowTibbs2: Would it be possible to adjust them to your own time?
[12:43] yak3000: sure, every timestamp is held in a special format caled the 'unix timestamp' -
it is just a number of sec since 1 jan 1970
it is easily translated in any time format you desire
[12:44] ArrowTibbs2: Woohoo!
[12:44] yak3000: and i mean any
[12:45] yak3000: here's alink if you want more info on just what did i mean by 'ANY" http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.date.php
[12:46] ArrowTibbs2: Wow
[12:46] yak3000: heh, it can even be adjusted to your own time zone, and not the server's
[12:47] ArrowTibbs2:

[12:47] yak3000: anything elese? ^^
[12:47] ArrowTibbs2: Trying to think of something...
[12:47] yak3000: go ahead. the crazier idfea the better
[12:48] ArrowTibbs2: I keep thinking of this in terms of the message boards I've managed and what I would have killed for on those...
[12:48] ArrowTibbs2: Well, the trouble tickets system needs an upgrade for sure
[12:49] ArrowTibbs2: I think we should have it go according to the format we have for our trouble tickets on the forums
[12:49] yak3000: that format is derived from TRAC
[12:49] ArrowTibbs2: Title:
Category: *drop down menu*
Description:
Extra comments:
Tech annotations:
[12:49] yak3000: if we had one (where's cryto..) this work would be so much easier
[12:50] ArrowTibbs2: Another section to put a link to the page in question...
[12:50] ArrowTibbs2: A way to flag it as resolved
[12:50] yak3000: TRAC has everything and traincarts more
[12:50] ArrowTibbs2: Bwee ^_^
[12:51] yak3000: moving on to... say.. userpage
[12:51] ArrowTibbs2: Hmm...
[12:51] ArrowTibbs2: Well, a quick-report link for users to use in regards to comments (would send link to comment and page in question automatically to a report system)
[12:52] ArrowTibbs2: That would be nice, instead of "This user posted on these submissions and said nasty things.

"
[12:53] yak3000: hmmm... that /is/ possible, but i question the ethics.. having too much' report' buttons smells nazi (^^)
[12:55] yak3000: infact, re: dates - what i want to see - not the 'Jan, 21, 2006' but the "yesterday", "a month ago", "2 weeks and one hour ago", " a year and a half ago" types of dates
[12:55] yak3000: the most user friendly date format ever
[12:56] ArrowTibbs2: That works as well, and even better
[12:57] yak3000: we need a separate field when submitting arwroork that would say "drawn on" so that people could state when exactly this image was drawn.. like some people have a long history in art, and submit everything in one go.. it is /hard/ to tell which ones are ancient and which ones are recent
[12:57] ArrowTibbs2: Dude, great idea that
[12:58] ArrowTibbs2: And materials used, that was something I liked on SA
[12:58] yak3000: other fields at question are 'materials' 'time taken' 'personal difficulty'
[12:58] yak3000: 'media'
[12:59] yak3000: (i mean the supplies)
[12:59] ArrowTibbs2: Collaborators/Artist:
[12:59] ArrowTibbs2: For those who post collabs or gift art.
[12:59] yak3000: oh, and 'satisfaction'
[12:59] ArrowTibbs2: Ooo, that's a new and interesting one
[12:59] yak3000: sure, some folks are happy with what they drew, some ont
[13:00] ArrowTibbs2: We can mark those all as optional too, but title, description, basic category, and rating should be mandatory.
[13:00] yak3000: a good info to know
[13:00] yak3000: yes
[13:00] ArrowTibbs2: "You must select <something> before you can finish your submission."
[13:00] ArrowTibbs2: Gender/spp, not so mandatory
[13:00] yak3000: not a problem. Javascript check /and/ the server-side check would ensure of that
[13:00] ArrowTibbs2: And geez, we need a revise on the categories, themes, and species in general...
[13:01] ArrowTibbs2: That was something I saw requested repeatedly.
[13:01] yak3000: better not touch that subject now - it is nightmare to think of.. requires a /lot/ o f work
[13:01] ArrowTibbs2: Yes
[13:01] ArrowTibbs2: I can generate a list of what might work better, but I honestly do not know how to implement it
[13:01] yak3000: /that/ is the nightmare
[13:01] ArrowTibbs2: And then everyone would have to recategorize work, and all that other junk @_@
[13:02] yak3000: it is hardwired with the database structure
[13:02] ArrowTibbs2: Mmhm
[13:02] yak3000: it is a pain to modify
[13:02] yak3000: and a great risk
[13:02] ArrowTibbs2: I think that maybe we could merge some groups
[13:02] ArrowTibbs2: Inflation (Adult) + Inflation (tame), just an example
[13:03] yak3000: well, i am not the person to discuss it with *chuckls*
[13:03] yak3000: all this categorization is jibberish to me
[13:03] ArrowTibbs2: Yeah, but it's really the most often reoccuring suggestion I've seen