Murrsuiters get event cancelled and possible full-life consequences

[Ozriel]

I'm starting to think this is all a steaming load of bullshit. If $280,000 was to be slashed, you can bet it would make it into the news. Same with "furries make out on roof of car in front of police station." That headline is yellow journalism at it's finest and should be seen in the news, but it isn't. Also the story keeps changing. I think the organizers were tired of having the event. There was no car diddling.

Small town events don't go public unless it turned into a massive orgy or there was massive property damage.

What troubles me is this came out around the same time as that sexual harassment scandal at AC.

That's just a coincidence, and the person that was "creeping" did not have a badge or wasn't registered. There were also reports that the said creeper wanted to come into the headless lounge the same night that Trp and I were operating it. The harassment scandal made it to the LJ and FA journal circuit (that I know of).

Its slow because theres no evidence.
No pictures, no police reports, etc etc.

Furry Drama hits furry established sites, LJs, and Lulz.net depending on how high the priority is. Unless a furry was caught having sexual relations with a minor, then it isn't important enough to hit the news.

[Marcus Stormchaser]

If this is the case, the organizer should try to get around the councilman, try to get attention/action for his blackmail.

[Seian Verian]

Holy shit, this entire thread. Just... Ugh.

Everything about all of this is completely ridiculous

[Arshes Nei]

I was kinda confused and realized that the original Journal about "Bad news" said one individual.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3505084/

The Bad News:

- Unfortunately, there was one major incident that occurred during the event (which we cannot speak about publicly) that may affect where the event will take place and what can be served at the next event. We will offer up information regarding any venue changes as they come forth. This may have also resulted in an event ban upon one certain individual.

[Ozriel]

I was kinda confused and realized that the original Journal about "Bad news" said one individual.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3505084/

Maybe the other was a guest of said "bastard".

[LizardKing]

I was kinda confused and realized that the original Journal about "Bad news" said one individual.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3505084/

Yeah, I think that's actually referring to something else entirely, since the more recent journals say they didn't know about this incident until some time afterwards. I think that one in the journal is some problem with an underage person drinking or some crap like that, hence the note about "what can be served" (i.e. no alcohol).

[Jashwa]

I'd just like to remind people from the last page that even if you find out that the info of these people that may or may not have fucked in public, that FAF/FA is no place to try to set up a witch hunt and enact vigilante justice upon them.

Harassment is bad, mmk? Especially if the pictures aren't conclusive and there's no real proof that the people actually were fucking.

[RTDragon]

I'd just like to remind people from the last page that even if you find out that the info of these people that may or may not have fucked in public, that FAF/FA is no place to try to set up a witch hunt and enact vigilante justice upon them.

Harassment is bad, mmk? Especially if the pictures aren't conclusive and there's no real proof that the people actually were fucking.

Knowing that there will be vigilante justice either way considering how this drama is spread out.

[CaptainCool]

I'd just like to remind people from the last page that even if you find out that the info of these people that may or may not have fucked in public, that FAF/FA is no place to try to set up a witch hunt and enact vigilante justice upon them.

Harassment is bad, mmk? Especially if the pictures aren't conclusive and there's no real proof that the people actually were fucking.

you are right but you cant really stop that from happening...
once people find out who they are they will form a mob.

[Antonin Scalia]

I'd just like to remind people from the last page that even if you find out that the info of these people that may or may not have fucked in public, that FAF/FA is no place to try to set up a witch hunt and enact vigilante justice upon them.

Harassment is bad, mmk? Especially if the pictures aren't conclusive and there's no real proof that the people actually were fucking.

People posting big care words on an internet forum getting mad. I can't wait.

[zachhart12]

you are right but you cant really stop that from happening...
once people find out who they are they will form a mob.

Nothing will happen to the 2 idiots in real life...noone really wants to get sent to jail. The individuals will be shout raped on FA (if they have FA accounts) and suspended forever, that's it prolly.

[CaptainCool]

Nothing will happen to the 2 idiots in real life...noone really wants to get sent to jail. The individuals will be shout raped on FA (if they have FA accounts) and suspended forever, that's it prolly.

when i say "mob" i of course mean they will e-rape them :P i would never imply that your average furry actually leaves the house ;D
i could also imagine that they wouldnt be welcome at cons anymore.

[Jashwa]

People posting big care words on an internet forum getting mad. I can't wait.

What happened to you? You used to be a decent poster. Bring back the St Louis Ram's avatar and save yourself from this path you're on.

Knowing that there will be vigilante justice either way considering how this drama is spread out.

you are right but you cant really stop that from happening...
once people find out who they are they will form a mob.

It doesn't matter if there will be it anyways, FA/F is not and will not be like furrydrama or lulz or something where people organize raids and lynchmob people. We have never tolerated it and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Also, I was just cautioning those of you that might have consciences and care about knowing whether someone is guilty or not before setting out to ruin their lives. But that's probably expecting too much from people that kneejerk reaction into lynching.

[Arshes Nei]

Yeah, I think that's actually referring to something else entirely, since the more recent journals say they didn't know about this incident until some time afterwards. I think that one in the journal is some problem with an underage person drinking or some crap like that, hence the note about "what can be served" (i.e. no alcohol).

True. Wonder if that's really the issue though. Will have to wait it out to see if they're actually getting photos of this incident that supposedly pulled funding and no records of a town meeting event that occurred.

However, I know you can get dinged pretty bad (but may vary state to state) if you are the host of a gathering and it served alcohol to a minor.

[ScaredToBreathe]

It's shit like this that ends up on the 11:00 news with headlines like "Are Overly Sexual Adults in Animal Costumes Ruining Our Children?" right next to "Cans of Soup: Are They A Public Health Hazard?"

[Riyeko]

Im starting to doubt the whole thing as well since theres like no physical evidence to back it up.

No cell phone photos.
No police reports.
No news reports.

Nothing.

If this actually happened, and I was there, found out about it and had my kids there... i would be raising holy hell over it.
Why? Because my children were present in an area where people were technically exposing themselves.
No.

[DaedolonX]

Hmmmm. I think this may be BS. However, If it's true the two need to be made an example of by the furry community to show the public this sort of thing is not tolerated.

[SweetBear]

I agree. As of today, it's been 26 days. That's a long time to keep something like that completely quiet with no evidence of it online to be found and viewed by the Internet public. This is 2012, not 1970.

Im starting to doubt the whole thing as well since theres like no physical evidence to back it up.

No cell phone photos.
No police reports.
No news reports.

Nothing.

If this actually happened, and I was there, found out about it and had my kids there... i would be raising holy hell over it.
Why? Because my children were present in an area where people were technically exposing themselves.
No.

[Lazarian]

So from what I've been able to gather, a city counsellor took a picture of two idiots in fursuits doing the bump-and-grind on a car during a furmeet. Since the people hosting the furmeet were members of the fire department (or EMS, or whatever), said counsellor used the incident as an excuse to embarrass the department and pull funding that was supposed to go to purchasing emergency equipment. Naturally, the organisers of the furmeet were embarrassed, and forever cancelled the event.

Has anyone considered taking control of the situation and making a good outcome out of all this? Hell, furries went and did fundraising to keep a sandwich shop afloat. Instead of hiding under the bed and cowering over something two fuckwits did, how about having a fundraising effort to donate to that emergency department for equipment. Do that, and you get to help the reputation of the fandom, still be able to hold furmeets, and get some good press. And the furmeet organisers don't have to be intimidated by some over-zealous counsellor with a budget-axe to grind. Start a Paypal for it. I can toss a few beans in it.

Besides, I think a lot of these allegations sound grossly blown out of proportion. Bet you an internet all it turns out to be is something like two fursuiters clowning around and rubbing up against a car at the same time someone had a camera handy.

[Marcus Stormchaser]

If I were the organizer, I'd anonymously tip off to the media that a city councilmen is blackmailing EMS workers out of funding. It'll ruin his reelection chances for sure.

[Arshes Nei]

WTF is "make an example of them" even mean? It's like the stupidest knee jerk response I keep seeing. Is this the furry version of the Scarlet Letter?

[Serbia Strong]

WTF is "make an example of them" even mean? It's like the stupidest knee jerk response I keep seeing. Is this the furry version of the Scarlet Letter?

I think its a way of some furries making themselves seem like judges of righteousness so they can look cool I guess?

[morphology]

WTF is "make an example of them" even mean? It's like the stupidest knee jerk response I keep seeing. Is this the furry version of the Scarlet Letter?

Edit: This post is hypothetical, assuming this actually happened, and this isn't a scam or blackmail, which it could be. Who knows, they haven't released police reports or anything as the above had said.

Rethinking it, maybe I was a bit overly reactive about all this. Okay, if this actually happened, and this was a true incident of furries being complete idiots, then I'd suggest to "make an example of them" i.e. getting condemnation from the fandom in order to repair any potential damage and above all else, possibly convince people that if you're going to act stupid, there will be consequences. I dunno, I always see folks saying, "why can't the fandom be better? Why can't we have a good fandom where people actually respect us instead of being the joke of the internet?" Well, it's because when stuff like this happens the fandom either A.) defends the people, B.) turns a blind eye or C.) calls "troll" on it. It's trying to have your cake and eat it too. If this actually did happen, then I'd suggest reprimands from inside the fandom to maybe potentially dissuade people from making fools of themselves and the fandom in public, instead of turning a blind eye to the idiotic and sometimes illegal things that happen in the name of "lol tolerance".

That being said, I don't approve of witch hunts, or harassment, especially when it's all too murky about what exactly is going on. And it was a bit quick of me to jump at the sight of this story.

[Arshes Nei]

That's why I think this whole thing about "let's make an example of them" is a stupid response.

If the supposed case actually happened, 2 people bumping and grinding in fursuits in public should be handled appropriately by the authorities. If event planners no longer want those two in attendance near their events, that's also fine - it's a private function. But this has to be the most retarded line of logic for people to go on and on about making examples out of people anymore than I care or believe that the titty flashers and drunken fights at sports events "should be handled by the sports community".

[Glaice]

Can someone explain how the fuck a little bit of semen on a car equals to $55,000 in damages?