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    If pedophilia is just a sexual preference then banning cartoon porn isn't going to make them stop being pedos. If there's no "cure" then surely its better they have the option to get off to cartoons rather than real children being abused. It's not nice to think about that kind of stuff, but I don't think cartoons of anything should be banned. It seems just as silly as people getting all worked up and murderous about cartoons of mohamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowFox View Post
    If pedophilia is just a sexual preference then banning cartoon porn isn't going to make them stop being pedos. If there's no "cure" then surely its better they have the option to get off to cartoons rather than real children being abused. It's not nice to think about that kind of stuff, but I don't think cartoons of anything should be banned. It seems just as silly as people getting all worked up and murderous about cartoons of mohamed.
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    Cartoon Child Porn = Actual Child Pornography?

    No.

    Actual Child Pornography is 'actual child pornography'.

    Cartoon Child Porn is, 'depicted visual and sexual artwork'.

    From what I've observed, these are the same legal processes that put people in Jail for humping their furniture.

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    As per my my personal opinion on this one...at the end of the day it is better for a pedophile to fap off to cartoon child porn, than for him to go out and seek actual real pictures of children being exploited, or them seeking out actual children to molest. If you ban the ability to have the cartoon version you probably going to end up with a rise in the real stuff and real cases of children being violated because you sort of take away the last chance to deal with it without hurting someone.

    This is all similar to...let us say me turning on a video-game and killing people in the game. Should those kinds of games be banned because it depicts an act where you do something that in real life would be illegal? No....you don't do that.

    Allowing Cartoon Child Porn to be banned opens up a can of worms where people can start to censor other things. I'd rather deal with the risk that pedo might move on and act the urges, than give soccer moms that foot in the door to take everything and anything, and make it "Safe for children"...because believe it or not they will be the first ones to abuse and exploit the new law/laws that allow someone to ban a drawn or fictional version of something that in real life is illegal. Everything has it's own risk...but those who take it to the next level and cross from fantasy to reality...they are always a minority and as such not worth shutting entire things down just because a few people might go over board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Fox View Post
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    B-But infractions...

    Personally, I find this silly. Fantasy =/= Reality. What's next? Someone going to jail for plushie animal abuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_the_raptor View Post
    B-But infractions...

    Personally, I find this silly. Fantasy =/= Reality. What's next? Someone going to jail for plushie animal abuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trpdwarf View Post
    This is all similar to...let us say me turning on a video-game and killing people in the game. Should those kinds of games be banned because it depicts an act where you do something that in real life would be illegal? No....you don't do that.
    There are also people trying to ban video games too, although I'm sure you are well aware of that.
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    Honestly, I really don't care if they have their drawn arts, whatever. It's when I see it that someone's going to get hit in the mouth with a brick.
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    If they start to make it illegal to create drawn images involving illegal activities than it should apply to EVERYTHING. Do any type of drug, any type of illegal sexual act, etc, etc, etc. I hate things that selectively pick one thing and ignore everything else. I have nothing against drawn art of that sort, it's art. There are PLENTY of FAMOUS pictures of naked children. By these actions, they should be illegal too! Whether the art is tasteful or not, does not matter when it comes to this.

    Stupid shit like this really bothers my gears. Freedom of expression. It's not hurting anyone. When art starts to actually hurt people I will have an issue, until then, let people get their frustrations (sexual or otherwise) out. Its better than actually going out and doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skittle View Post
    If they start to make it illegal to create drawn images involving illegal activities than it should apply to EVERYTHING. Do any type of drug, any type of illegal sexual act, etc, etc, etc. I hate things that selectively pick one thing and ignore everything else. I have nothing against drawn art of that sort, it's art. There are PLENTY of FAMOUS pictures of naked children. By these actions, they should be illegal too! Whether the art is tasteful or not, does not matter when it comes to this.

    Stupid shit like this really bothers my gears. Freedom of expression. It's not hurting anyone. When art starts to actually hurt people I will have an issue, until then, let people get their frustrations (sexual or otherwise) out. Its better than actually going out and doing it.
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    I was about to say "Oh fuck, not this topic again", but I actually see both sides being somewhat reasonable, and hopefully it'll stay that way. So, I'll add in my two cents.

    It's already been said by other posters, but drawings do not equal reality. I can understand why things like lolicon and cub porn would bother some people. However, lots of things bother lots of other people. Rape and murder are both horrendous acts, yet there is plenty of media portraying them. I am very sure that these things bother people as well, especially rape victims or people who's friends or family were murdered. We understand, usually, in these cases that it is just fantasy, that no one is really being raped or really being murdered. But for some people this whole idea changes when it comes to lolicon/cub porn. It's the idea that children are being hurt that bothers them...but what I don't understand is why it's different just because it's children. Adult rape victims suffer just as much pain as child victims.

    There's also the whole thought police idea that bothers me, as well...

    (I also realize that I may have repeated myself somewhere in there...but fuck it I'm tired.)

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    I have this theory, which I'm going to share with you all for a moment.

    I think that there are some people in this world who truly have difficulty telling reality from fiction. I believe that these people, like many of us, assume that other people are just like they are -- not knowing that they are inherently different -- and so we get these cases of people crying about video games teaching children to kill and so forth. I believe these people are numerous. I also have a sneaking suspicion that this is linked to religiousness, but it's not a claim I'll stand by without some kind of research.

    And man, if I could research this. Sadly, it's outside my field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeWalker View Post
    I also have a sneaking suspicion that this is linked to religiousness, but it's not a claim I'll stand by without some kind of research.
    Ooooh, I see what You are implying there :P Interesting...

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    Oh. Well that's just as bad as pedophillia, but at least it keeps children safe.
    Tht's the kind of statement that tends to piss me off to no end. Which is kinda strange, since I consider myself a rather tranquil person, and it's not that I have any personal interest involved with how pedophiles or other sexual deviants ( not meant in a derogative way here ) are seen or are to be seen. Hm.

    In any case:

    There is nothing inherently wrong with pedophilia.. Bitch and whine about it all You want, that is not an opinion, that's a blatant fact. Your statement, in fact, can be compared to the following:
    "Well, if someone draws gay porn, it's just as bad as being gay, only there is no REAL gay sex involved."
    Please take a while to reflect upon how shallow that statement is.
    Potential physical and mental harm to the child, as well as - most importantly, perhaps - the assumption a child cannot give consent, are the only reasons it's banned in the first place. They're important reasons, granted, very important even; but that's also why drawn, written, or animated child porn is neither illegal nor illegitimate. It's not like we ban it because some people say "eeeeew, gross".

    Well, some people try to, but it's advised not to listen to them.

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    There have been studies indicating that while violent video games don't blatantly cause actual violence, they do encourage aggression and etc.

    It could possibly be argued that drawn child porn encourages sexual arousal that is not considered appropriate in society. But from a legal standpoint, a drawn image does not constitute real life and therefore cannot be made illegal.

    To everyone saying there is no "cure" for pedophilia, there are actually many break throughs in modern sex psychology that deal with how to change a pedophiles' arousal. Many programs do actually have good success rates, but the problem is evident when pedophiles think their desires are completely appropriate or they are too frightened to seek help.

    The solution lies not with outlawing a drawn image, but rather in helping them overcome their possible issues that lead to pedophilia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikian View Post
    There are also people trying to ban video games too, although I'm sure you are well aware of that.
    I am well aware that people are trying to either ban video-games are ban the sale and creation of anything that isn't suitable for children. Which means, no more PG-13 and M rated games.

    Even the most stalwart and vicious proponents of this don't get anywhere. Take Jack Thompson, his venom and illogical idiocy has made it so that he cannot practice law anymore. I think all gamers celebrated that day....

    The point is there is a difference between fantasy and reality and people who cannot tell the difference need to shut up and stop trying ruin things for those who do.

    EDIT: In reference to something said earlier in thread:

    Yes there is something wrong with pedophilia. However, that said, it is only wrong when a pedophile acts out on his urges and go so far as to rape children. There are too many case studies and cases in general that pretty much prove that children who are violated in that manner are harmed by being targeted that way. It scars them mentally, psychologically and can lead to physical problems later on, such as hormones being repressed leading to sterility or asexuality. It can also lead to trust problem, and get in the way of having a real relationship when they grow up.

    The thing about pedophilia, is that you cannot judge a person who is a pedo outright. You cannot look at them, as automatically fault them as a bad person. How do you know that they are a bad person? How do you know they are not trying to seek help so they never go to the level of harming a child and so forth? You don't know...that is the thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseTheSexKitten View Post
    To everyone saying there is no "cure" for pedophilia, there are actually many break throughs in modern sex psychology that deal with how to change a pedophiles' arousal. Many programs do actually have good success rates, but the problem is evident when pedophiles think their desires are completely appropriate or they are too frightened to seek help.
    There are also many "cure" courses for the homosexuality disease...

    If I recall, a majority of actual child molestation cases don't involve actual arousal over children, but over a feeling of power and control. Less about lolis, and more about having someone helpless. Of course I don't have any sources ont hat one, it's just what I remember.

    Really, If I lived in Australia I'd move to have Bart and Lisa, apparently considered real now, put in protective Custody. That would be good for some lulz...

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    Next Step, Cubs.
    So all those pedophiles that were lurking the internet to feed their instincts will now return to RL and rape real children, or, uh, babyanimals :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojotech View Post
    There are also many "cure" courses for the homosexuality disease...
    Quite a big difference between being sexually attracted to the same sex and being attracted to someone who can't consent, ethically speaking.

    Actually there have been studies regarding pedophilia isn't genetic, which is rather interesting. Either way, if you want treatment for a sexual urge that cannot be fulfilled legally, that is probably for the best. If you don't, that is your choice I suppose.

    If I recall, a majority of actual child molestation cases don't involve actual arousal over children, but over a feeling of power and control. Less about lolis, and more about having someone helpless. Of course I don't have any sources ont hat one, it's just what I remember.
    Mmhmm, I read that too. I used it in defense over a gay debate actually, because a woman was claiming that all gay people were pedophiles. First, I had to explain the difference between pedophile and homosexual. Second, I pointed out that most child sexual assault cases actually had nothing to do with the person's sexuality, and in fact, many of them were not exclusive pedophiles.


    Really, If I lived in Australia I'd move to have Bart and Lisa, apparently considered real now, put in protective Custody. That would be good for some lulz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trpdwarf View Post
    Yes there is something wrong with pedophilia. However, that said, it is only wrong when a pedophile acts out on his urges and go so far as to rape children.
    In other words, there is nothing inherently wrong with pedophilia.

    Oh, there is omething wrong with rape, no doubt. And seeing as age of consent is (sometimes almost ridiculously, to be honest) high in most western societies, sex with anyone under that age is automatically considered rape. Though I still say it's very well possible that someone below the official consent age gives consent and knows what he/she is doing. Then again, that's a different debate.

    Nevertheless, rape is the crime here. Or the "bad" thing, to express it in simple terms. Not pedophilia per se.

    One might say it's arguing semantics; I say it's an essential thing. If we would separate pedophilia and child molestation consequently, the guy this topic is about probably wouldn't be convicted.

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    It's kind of like banning weapons to keep people safe; it don't make any logical sense.

    All the decent, law-abiding folk will turn in their weapons, and then some nutjob will go "LOL, IT'S HUNTING SEASON." and proceeds to kill every person he sees. There's no one to stop him since all the weapons have been confiscated. Bril idea.

    So, ban images! It's still not going to make things any better.
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    For all those whining that pedophilia is wrong, it is wrong to our standards and the like. It all depends on culture. In ancient Greece (or was it Rome) young boys were TOLD to go hump older men. In many cultures, young girls were married off often before the age of 14. Was that considered wrong? No. It all depends on culture. Somewhere in the world, the youngest age of consent I found was 12. To us westerners that is wrong and immoral and blah blah blah. To them it is normal, and as long as the person is consenting, perfectly fine.

    So really, unless the person grabs said small child and forces them on dick (or other things if it is a female) nothing wrong with it.

    Rape = bad
    Pedophilia = not bad

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