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    Default The New Policy on Cub

    People have been hearing murmurs and rumblings for the past few days. Many "what ifs". As many of you have heard, we have been working on new AUP and TOS revisions. We've been planning these updates to the AUP for some time - revise descriptions, make it clearer and more concise. What we didn't plan on was removing cub art. That changed last week.

    Firstly, let us explain the situation: AlertPay dropped us. We have been having issues accepting payment processors for some time to fund the website, as any reputable company we've contacted has given us the thumbs down when it comes to our content. Specifically, they have only ever had issue with one particular kind of content: cub art. Everything else has been fine, but companies want to distance themselves from that grey area because it makes people uncomfortable.


    AlertPay canceled, and specifically cited cub art as the reason. We were given no options to appeal. With that cancellation, a fairly sizable amount of money in our balance from ads and donations have been lost, which has effectively crippled the website from having ways to fund itself long term. We will not be able to maintain and improve without a reliable payment processor at our backend, and that can not happen while they continually have a disagreement regarding certain specifics with what we host.


    Right now we have to make a choice. Do we continue on with cub artwork and protect the artwork in the name of freedom of speech? Or do we remove the one Achilles heel that has proven itself to be a liability and a frustration?


    If we want to keep Fur Affinity alive we have no choice but to remove cub art. It's been a limiting factor for us, and it's been impacting us for a while. But now it's become something we can no longer turn our eye away from.


    What happened to us can happen to any other furry site out there.
    It's a grim reality, and when it comes to grey areas, corporations don't want the legal risk. I don't blame them. As frustrating as it is, I in no way blame them taking the actions they did.

    This is a risk we all knew was a possibility.


    So, with that, and this update... we have no choice but to prohibit mature cub art on Fur Affinity. The site must come first. We know this will impact some users more than others, we know it will be stressful and frustrating, but we have no choice in the matter.


    We hope you can understand our position on the matter.


    What IS Being Removed

    Adult cub art, or images where the character age is specifically stated to be under 18 in a mature situation. Artists will have 21 days as of this update to remove any and all content from their gallery. After that time, the administration will begin to remove submissions from galleries which violate the new rules. These will not count against your FA record, or be held against you in any way.

    Images of cub will be removed, and those borderline will be removed at admin discretion. Our interest is in preserving artistic integrity wherever possible.


    What IS NOT Being Removed
    Cub art that's not mature. Again, unless it's pornographic in nature, it is fine and well within the site rules. I'll repeat that for a third time: clean cub art is fine.

    We will also not be removing mature/adult chibi art, stylized images or pictures that are drawn in otherwise cutesy styles.

    Harassment Against Artists

    Because this is a sensitive issue, we're issuing this warning: harassment against cub artists will result in a three (3) month ban from FA. If you have a track record on FA, are on the list of usual suspects, have previous bans for harassment or serious violations, the ban will be escalated to permanent.

    We will not accept harassment of any sort. Zero tolerance. You have a choice. You can make comments or you can keep them to yourselves.
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    Yay! Thank god!
    I knew this would happen too, companies don't want to be connected to such a badly accepted topic

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    That's gonna take a while to remove completely.

    EDIT: HOLY FUCK there's 300 400 500 600 1000 1500 a shitload of users browsing this thread
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    Wait.

    So uh.

    Alertpay took your money without warning?
    That's got to be illegal.

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    aww this is sad. i feel bad for the cub artists

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    About bloody time.

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    Well said.

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    I am happy with this turn of events.
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    I have to say, While this may be a good thing, It does effectively cripple some artists who do exclusively cub art, and i feel almost bad for them.

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    Good, now the site will have a better reputation, that is unless some outbreak of people saying "Bring back cub porn!" happens...
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    So here is a question. Is it stuff labeled as cub art, or stuff that looks like cub art? That could be a very gray area.

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    freude schöner götterfunken, tochter aus elysium,
    wir betreten feuertrunken, himmlische, dein heiligtum!
    deine zauber binden wieder was die mode streng geteilt,
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    thanks for those changes, its very appreciated :3

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    FA, you done good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feonalily View Post
    aww this is sad. i feel bad for the cub artists
    You know, I'm sure there's plenty of cub artists who you know, draw clean cub art of widdle cubs doing cub stuff like playing with firetrucks and barbies.

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    CELEBRATING

    But yeah from the liability stand point I can't blame anyone for removing their services in response to it. Personally I will be happy just from the stand point of no longer having my art on a site allowing and portraying child porn. Thanks for the update in AUP 'neer!

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    "Adult cub art, or images where the character age is specifically stated to be under 18 in a mature situation."

    guys, this isn't a ban on cub, its a ban on calling things cub. See, I brought up this solution a while back and was ignored.
    If you just draw what you want to draw and it doesn't look like a baby then they can't take it down, just don't call it cub, don't label it cub or put it in the keywords, just draw small cute little characters being sexy and we'll all be fine.

    The word is what gets them, calling them specifically a certain age. So unless the cubs you draw look like real infant children then your off the hook as long as you don't mention an age

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    I am so for this, like you have no idea.
    Thank you so much, Neer <3

    Children (or child-like creatures) do not need to be placed in such situations and it is horribly unmoral for any one to even think of a child is such way. :/

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    Baww, no more porn of my character.

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    I write stories that sometimes include humans or furries that are generally around the age of 16-18 years of age. It is very much mature in nature but is it considered "cub"? To me "cub" meant infants, toddlers, babies, and well anyone that isn't a teen. Will I be forced to remove my stories that involve older teens? Once again age of characters in these stories are usually between the age of 16-18.

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    So to clarify, if a character's age is never explicitly stated then the content is perfectly acceptable? Because if that's the case, I'm glad that you're not attempting to try and judge character age (a concept I don't even subscribe to, personally) based entirely on the looks of a character. When it comes to cartoons and other forms of drawn art, age becomes just that--a number. I remember somebody brought up the Shippo character from Inuyasha and how he looks/acts 7 but is actually a fox demon about 50 years old... that's a good example of why personality and connotation are more important than age with fictional characters. Good stuff.

    The whole situation is pretty unfortunate... sorry to hear that you were put in such a compromising situation. Given the pressing circumstances, I can't really disagree with this course of action, but I do hope that if alternative methods of monetary transfer are available in the future that you consider checking out how feasible they are to go with. Having to limit the content available on the site based solely on the services you're working with kind of sucks.

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    Well it is a shame for those who do cub art and but if removing it means FA's survival then its worth the sacrifice.

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    hallelujah.

    i only have one concern, however:
    We will also not be removing mature/adult chibi art, stylized images or pictures that are drawn in otherwise cutesy styles.

    now, i know chibi style makes a character look younger/cutesy, and i've had that problem myself. if we state the character is over 18, will we be in trouble for it or do the staff have to take our word for it?

    because my style is very cutesy and most except for maybe 3 characters are over 18, and they look young when i draw them and i've gotten in trouble for that. so i'm just curious. :V

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