The New Policy on Cub

[RipfangDragon]

Hi! Just letting you know this is actually against human rights and thus the company denying you funds is actually committing a crime against humanity! So go ahead, with your American-ness. Sue the men who did this, are they English (European country) Then they have a law (Still against rights FYI)
A few rights this breaks.
- Freedom of Expression.
- Freedom of Speech.
- Discrimination.
- And some artistic rights.

So have your fun, and take down a portion of the site cause of fucking money! If it was my site. I would have shut the whole thing down, it's an art. Not an actual picture, do you honestly have the idiocy to think that that is a real picture? FUCK NO! That is a picture that someone was bored, and drew, someone put their small amount of time into drawing a picture. And what? Now they cannot let others see their picture cause it contains a certain image? That is fucking immoral and wrong! I don't care what genre of art you are banning, this is a horrible feat of typical capitalism. You have no respect for the people who draw this, if you did you would have attempted to look for alternatives. And I find this disgusting. Do you really think this is right? To make people take down their art? Their drawings? Their FAKE. IMAGES! Who cares, I could draw a cub, post it, but say it's a 70 year old man! Yeah, it's art, creativity, something of imagination. We ourselves post pictures of naked animals, so I think, if you take down cub art (Pornographic), you should take down anything with anatomically correct genitalia, see? Cause that in a way related to zoophilia. Because all humans are morons, we don't understand this. That you have been scammed. You have betrayed some of your patrons. You have disgusted me. And simply put, who cares, cause one person doesn't like something, they will not give you something, that's discrimination against the artists. So you, should be getting rid of your funding company fr another one.

Hi! Just letting you know that no crimes have been committed here by any company! I don't think "denying funds to avoid a controversial topic" counts as "a crime against humanity."

[Xavan]

Wait if Dragoneer is the king of the fandom does that make me a knight of the fandom? I don't wanna put "Furry Paladin" in my CV.

does it matter? Call yourself whatever you want I guess as long as superiors in prestige agree.

[gatorguts]

I don't have enough arms and hands to facepalm at all of the things some of you are saying.

[Kujiiro]

I got to about page 5 and decided to skip to the end, because I don't really feel like reading 47+ pages of this, as interesting as it is :P

But I was wondering, are there any business furs out there? What if a furry paysite could be created? I know it's a longshot, but it's amazing what this community can do sometimes, and a furry paysite could open up some amazing possibilities. And it doesn't have to be specifically furry based, but one created to be tolerable of the fandom and possibly other fandoms. One with flexible rules, though not lawbreaking. From what I'm aware of, German (or was it Russian?) based sites seem to be pretty flexible.

To make things clear, I'm not saying this for the sake bringing back cub porn. Honestly, the removal of cub porn doesn't affect me in the least bit. It's the lack of respectable companies that upsets me. Holding back money from a site's ad revenue is a bitch move, to put it bluntly. And to know that whatever company you choose to handle your transactions, there will still be horror stories behind it, is a sad fact of business.

Now, from my experience, furries are, for the most part, good people (every garden has a few weeds). The abundance of furry sites and conventions let me know that we're pretty damn good at organizing, and can conduct business quite well. Plus, when Neer announced that "pss.ms" url-shortening site, I thought that was pretty damn cool (even if it is unfinished) :3

TL;DR Version: The point I'm making here is, people/furries need a good reputable paysite, and I believe furries can provide that. So, who here knows banking and/or financial networking? :3

[Werewolfhero]

So you'd rather not have a FA at all than have a FA that actually exists sans cub art?

I Agree, I can't understand why people would rather have the site shut down, just because of one less genre of art.

I imagine Inkbunny's gonna end up with a similar choice to make since they have Alertpay integrated in for artists. (dunno if they use it in the same way FA does though)

[Attaman]

Wait if Dragoneer is the king of the fandom does that make me a knight of the fandom? I don't wanna put "Furry Paladin" in my CV.

It's okay, you're one of those special sub-types of Knight. Whereas some cannot do "Lay on Hand", you cannot do "Lay on, Murr". In return, you get bonus' to your "Turn Spammers" ability, and can Dispel Bullshit at twice your actual level.

[Runefox]

No offense, but they willingly chose to draw a highly controversial, borderline illegal art type. I don't fault them for what happened, but you don't draw cub art without knowing the moral quibbles and potential issues behind it.

Oh, exactly, but I was specifically referring to the quoted idea that it might be a gray area due to the age of consent being different in different countries. There's generally a consensus that any subject under 18 is not legal, regardless as to whether the law applies to drawn or filmed porn. I'm not defending artists like this; I think maybe you're responding to the post I quoted?

[Captain Spyro]

No offense, but they willingly chose to draw a highly controversial, borderline illegal art type. I don't fault them for what happened, but you don't draw cub art without knowing the moral quibbles and potential issues behind it.

This. By the gods THIS!

[Xavan]

I'm going to go commit suicide. I just thought I'd let everyone know that.

Thank you Lyxolf. I hope you're happy you killed a little boy tonight.

I thought you were a girl?

[Runefox]

Said the pedophiliphobic.

I like how you say that with venom. Are you a pedophile?

[Kubwa]

Theres an very easy fix for the problem:
Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

As administrator of a big community like that you need to be flexible.

[GingerM]

Out of 3600+ artists that I am watching so far I have seen 150+ telling their watchers to save what they want as they are leaving for good.

That's not a lot compared to the entirety of FA.

Just a hair over 4%.

[fuzzyroo]

IN AMERICA....the legal age is 18 everywhere. The age of consent however is different, but that it neither here nor there seeing as how that varies greatly from country to country.

17 here in Kansas, actually.

[gatorguts]

Theres an very easy fix for the problem:
Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

As administrator of a big community like that you need to be flexible.

Unless it says in their TOS that they can reprimand any money when terms are broken...
Hmmmmm..

[Aleu]

Said the pedophiliphobic.

what?

[Willow]

I thought you were a girl?

I dunno what I am anymore. :c

[semerl]

If you don't like it, you can ignore. Just like a company can deny service if they find objectionable content.

I said 'ignore', not 'enforce political correctness policies'.

[Runefox]

Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

Lawyers cost money, and no other site will take FA due to this. Not many sites do porn to begin with, much less cub porn.

[Attaman]

Theres an very easy fix for the problem:
Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

As administrator of a big community like that you need to be flexible.

There's another solution, when it's costing 'Neer business, statistically less than 4% of the site seems to be at risk (as opposed to 100%), and so on: Kill the Batman Ban Cub Porn.

[Captain Spyro]

Theres an very easy fix for the problem:
Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

As administrator of a big community like that you need to be flexible.

Not that easy as both PayPal and AlertPay will not service FA. As a result there is a VERY high chance this will be repeated with another service.

Like it or not cub art is very controversial and most companies will not want to be associated with it period.

[Xavan]

Theres an very easy fix for the problem:
Get a lawyer, get back the money left on alertpay, search for an other money service, done.

As administrator of a big community like that you need to be flexible.

orrrr not, and just go the easier way of banning cub porn.

[Dragoneer]

Said the pedophiliphobic.

I'm sorry, maybe you forgot I defended and fought for cub art, and the freedoms to do it, and it was my decision (flawed or not) that permitted it on this site in the first place.

[the-pale-tailed-fox]

I think "cub porn" is a bit of a misleading/ambiguous term if it is including furry characters who are in their late teens and quite probably legal in the UK and elsewhere (i.e. 16/17). I still think there's a heck of a lot of grey area. If under-18 is a strict no-no, that's fine, but it seems weird to call it 'cub' when they're legal in much of the world and clearly not little kids.

there is no real grey area when its a frigging animal regardless of its bodilly shape doesnt animal maturity mean anything to anyone at all or does studying mean anything LOL or not just using your eyes instead of your brain like a moron mean anything to you all> LULZ

LOLERSKATES this thread is.

[Konii]

I guess my last question is, how do you really and honestly tell if something is underage and not just an artist drawing in a 'cute' style? Will there always be that gray area, will it be only blatant cub art be banned, or will it be a strictly enforced rule where if it even raises question, it's to be deleted? Because I can see this effecting a couple of artists who claim everything that is drawn is 18+, however they fall into that 'cute' category and it's honestly difficult to tell.

[Cindercheth]

It's stupid because I've never heard Anti-CP people refer to CP as being equal to the actual act. Only Pro-CP people bring up that argument.. so they can disprove it. It's pretentious, and 2 was being pretentious.

Anti-CP people say that CP is gross because it references the actual act. That's different, and not so flimsy.

It is perceived as gross because the people saying it is gross don't have the perspective of the people who see the appeal in it.

I can see both sides, even though I am pro cub porn (obviously). From the perspective of everyone else: they see a youthful and innocent looking character being raped. Personally, that's why I like cub: I feel disgusted when looking at images that too closely represent real children. The furry aspect makes it easier to disassociate the art from any actual representation of children, makes it friendlier, and easier to identify MYSELF with. With that said: I CAN see how most people unfamiliar with this topic would feel about seeing my baby bunny being crammed full 'o cock.

Yet on the other hand (the side that I identify with), that little bunny fella is ME, in terms of the internet, and my "sex-play buddies". He may LOOK cute and innocent: but he's just data stored on my hard drive that I use to cover up my ugly mug. That character is as experienced as I am, because he's just there to represent myself.

And yes: I love foolin around as my fursonna. Much more so then I dig real sex. As it is: I was sexually abused as a child, so if ANYONE here should be "touchy" on this subject: I'd probably rank on that list. Which is why I have nothing but contempt for child molesters/abusers.

Now that I have just admitted something WAY personal about myself to complete strangers...

...however, if my confession makes some people reconsider their stance, learn a little thing called "perspective" (and the ability to calmly rationalize controversial topics such as this), then I don't mind.

Maybe this is an outlet for the trauma caused by my abuse as a child. I do not know, nor do I care. The fact is: I find cub porn to be friendly, happy, innocent, and quite pleasant, unlike my feelings about real sex. To this day: I have no interest in it. I am as harmless to children as they come. I'll probably never have a relationship (which I do crave) because most people are interested in sex with their partner, and I find actual physical contact with anyone to be uncomfortable.

So I indulge cub porn (almost exclusively), and get everyone ALL riled up and rage-hating my pitiful ass.