Age of consent

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Aleksion, Mar 18, 2017.

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Age of consent

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  1. Aleksion

    Aleksion They killed me

    Given how quickly kids grow up these days, what do you think would be the most up to date age of consent?
     
  2. MadKiyo

    MadKiyo Villainous Fly

    High schoolers do it fairly often already. I'd say 16, no lower though. In the US, it is decided by the states. Some are 16, some higher like 17 and 18.
     
  3. Andromedahl

    Andromedahl Unlicensed UFO Pilot

    mmmmyeah 16. That's about when peers in highschool started getting.... frisky, I guess is the word.
     
  4. KageSakuraclown

    KageSakuraclown Active Member

  5. OtterScience

    OtterScience New Member

    I remember "getting frisky" - [​IMG] - at a quite early age so yeah, you shouldn't do anything until 16 because regrets and really understanding your body. But age of consent doesn't work at all without sex ed and for some reason many people are against it...
     
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  6. Ieatcrackersandjumpcliffs

    Ieatcrackersandjumpcliffs Fighter of the Nightman

    If you can try people as an adult then you can fuck them like an adult.
     
  7. Mandragoras

    Mandragoras Inept Abecedarian

    That poll is impressively tasteless.

    As for age of consent itself, that's a much more complicated issue than a single number. A bunch of states here and places like Australia have what are known as "Romeo and Juliet laws" which creates a sort of moving window of years between which a partner below the age of majority and an older partner can be in the clear—usually four or five years, with a floor between twelve and fourteen years of age—and I think this solves a lot of problems which an absolute age of sexual consent set at sixteen or eighteen does not. Other forms of legal consent, including participation in pornography, are quite a different matter, with even places with a much lower age of sexual consent putting them much higher; and then there are marriage loopholes where a much older person can marry a young teen, which... are honestly super skeezy. Astoundingly so.

    I would set the open point of consent somewhere past sixteen, though, probably around seventeen or eighteen, wherever one can reasonably set the voting age. Generally one is finished with most hormonal bullshit by this point and starting to live away from one's parents or preparing to do so by this point. Between puberty and the age of majority, I think there should be protections in place, but more flexibility than with children; and below that point... I mean, if two kids get up to something (and no, it's not unheard of), that's a different matter, but if you're sixteen and you're lusting after a ten-year-old, there's a big problem already and you probably should see someone about that.
     
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  8. Aleksion

    Aleksion They killed me

    16-18, seriously guys? Do you really think you could not said no, before that age?
     
  9. Fallowfox

    Fallowfox T-Tauri

    I agree with @Mandragoras that the poll is tasteless. I think the OP is just trying to be provocative, by creating the impression that they endorse paedophilia. (No prizes for guessing which user voted 12.)

    Everybody in this thread appears to agree that some time around 16 is appropriate, and that Romeo and Juliet laws should apply in cases that are not overtly predatory. I also think that's a reasonable assessment, so it looks like the discussion has concluded.
     
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  10. Sergei Sóhomo

    Sergei Sóhomo Well-Known Member

    Personally I think it should be 21. Having sex too early can cause havoc on some people while in general it's fairly risky to do while you're still developing
     
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  11. Fallowfox

    Fallowfox T-Tauri

    Ehh, the age of consent isn't a recommendation for the age at which people should start having sex. (That's a subjective value judgement that shouldn't be part of the law anyway)
    It's just the age below which any sex, even if it consented to, is automatically treated as rape.
     
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  12. Aleksion

    Aleksion They killed me

    This, I'm not saying as soon as a child hits 12 he/she must have sex. Most kids start watching porn before 12, so I don't see a problem here. Also the rationale behind why teens must not have sex with adults is a mystery for me.
     
  13. Fallowfox

    Fallowfox T-Tauri

    I'll just straight up ask you, so that you can choose to either incriminate yourself, or back away back into whatever cave you crawled out of.

    Are you saying that you think grown adults should be allowed to have sex with 12 year old children?
     
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  14. Revates

    Revates I'm Gay

    My dick hasn't ever bled.
     
  15. Saiko

    Saiko GTWT Survivor

    ITT we discuss whether rape is real.
     
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  16. quoting_mungo

    quoting_mungo Administrator Staff Member

    I question whether your experience is as universally applicable as you seem to think it is, Aleksion. I mean, it's been almost 20 years since I was 12, but I'm pretty sure that "most" of my peers hadn't watched porn by that age. It frankly sounds on the low side. If kids under 12 watch porn, that attests more to the (lack of) quality of the parenting they've been subject to than to their sexual maturity. From what I gathered at that age most of my male classmates were at most snickering over titty pics. Kids who had crushes on celebrities or teachers might want to kiss them, but I never heard anyone talk about wanting to bone them.

    Even if age of consent was that low it's not like you'd have gotten to shag your teacher anyway. That's still an ethics violation and potential abuse of authority (intentional or otherwise) that teachers who value their jobs will generally steer clear of, even with students over AoC.

    Eh. Statutory rape is largely an artificial construct. Obviously there's some point where an individual will lack the maturity to give meaningful informed consent, but like it or not any line drawn in the sand will still be completely arbitrary. It's not like an individual gains some profound insight into the nature of sex and relationships overnight when they hit a legally-specified birthday.
     
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  17. Sergei Sóhomo

    Sergei Sóhomo Well-Known Member

    I think the statutory laws are justified. As far as I'm aware, a minor typically suffers from negatives effects that are not only physical, but mental as well. Physical increases the chance of damage and cancer while the mental effects are a bit hazy; been a while, but I believe it was to do with their disposition and dependence
     
  18. quoting_mungo

    quoting_mungo Administrator Staff Member

    I'm not arguing against statutory rape laws per se, I'm simply saying they are drawing arbitrary lines that in some cases have more to do with social climate than with anything else, so equating a situation where the law has arbitrarily decided that one party's consent doesn't count with a situation where one party actively does not consent is false equivalence. Obviously the two can overlap, and things get murky as hell if you go out of your way to draw it to extremes.

    Honestly I think the most important thing regarding age of consent is probably that it and legislation regarding mandatory school curricula play nice so that kids get their sex ed before they reach AoC. Preferably with a bit of margin.
     
  19. Aleksion

    Aleksion They killed me

    20 years ago was 1997. World was much different back them, almost no one had internet, smartphones didn't exist. I think a lot of has changed during those years, especially the availability of information and perhaps that could have impact on children too. The fact that most of my peers watched porn at such age, simply shows young teens are interested in sexual things as much as adults, maybe even more. Keep in mind smartphones weren't the thing back when I was 12, so it could very much be that kids are starting even earlier now. Taking that into consideration it surprises me why most voted for 18.
     
  20. WolfyJake

    WolfyJake Professional Cuddlefluff

    16 is the age of consent in my country. Nothing wrong with that.
     
  21. Multoran

    Multoran Active Member

    Germany's age is 14.
    In more than a few other countries, its 16.
    In my country (US) its largely decided by the individual states.
    My own state's age is 16.
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    It seems strange to me though, that a 16 year old can get screwed by 8 horny, sex-deprived, 40 year old bronies but can't be recorded doing so (child porn).
    Like, if you're old enough to legally fuck, you're old enough to legally fuck in front of a camera.
    It's also interesting to note that prostitution is legal (in the US), so long as the act itself is committed in front of a camera.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2017
  22. Aleksion

    Aleksion They killed me

    There are a few countries with official age of consent set at 12, one even has it at 11, a bunch of with 13. So I'm not advocating pedophilia as some of you might assume
     
  23. Multoran

    Multoran Active Member

    Even still, pedophilia actually refers to prepubescent children, not pubescent teens.
    That's ephebophilia or hebephilia.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2017
  24. Saiko

    Saiko GTWT Survivor

    Right, although there isn't a specific age, even consensual sex at too young an age is known to still be damaging. It just so happens that 16-18 is a fairly safe point in this regard to set the line. I personally think 18 with Romeo and Juliet laws is the most reasonable solution.
     
  25. Fallowfox

    Fallowfox T-Tauri

    When I asked you this question

    Your response was

    You already agreed that you're defending adults who want to have sex with children. You are either a troll who wastes their life on the internet making arguments in support of paedophiles, or you actually are a paedophile, who is pretending to be a troll.

    In any case, I'm sure your mother must be very proud. :\
     

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