Closed/Open Species Rules and TOS

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by ShinyFloof, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    So if you've read my previous threads, you'd know I have a pretty strong opinion on closed species. Well to sum it up for those who haven't, If I like the design of a closed species (and it's unoriginal enough) I will just make one and slap a different name on it, because even though you totally CAN call your character "Mega Fan Fox" or whatever, you'll get loads of white knights on you, happy to help the creator enforce that fake trademark they all like to think they have.

    Moving on, this post is less about closed species and more about species/adopt rules in general, more specifically, the less fair ones. Now, I in general support open species ( and the closed ones that are actually original, just not the toxic fanbase) on the grounds that OS are free to make, giving everyone a chance to participate regardless of financial situation.

    But just like CS, they often come with a long list of rules for making one, a good example would be DADs. Yeah the muzzle ring thing is understandable since it ties in with the lore, but the rest of the rules (aside from anatomy specifics) just seem like "You can't have these because I said so and I'm the boss!!! "

    A lot of other species rules just seem like that too, like not being able to draw NSFW of Manokit characters. Like how can you police someone like that? It's THEIR character. They should be able to draw what they want, that just seems like "Oh u can't draw teh p0rnz because I dont liek it!
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    Now don't get me wrong, I love OS and their designs but some of the rules go a little far. Same with adopts when the creator says things like "Dont redesign, don't make them evil, don't DO ANYTHING I WOULDN'T DO WITH IT" Thats telling you right there your only getting partial ownership, and under no circumstances does an artist have a right to revoke an adopt you PAID for without compensation for it. Things like "don't resell for higher than you paid for" are completely fine though.

    So thats just my opinion on the whole thing, feel free to share your thoughts below, constructive feedback is welcome ^^
     
  2. -..Legacy..-

    -..Legacy..- Sergal Mafia :P

    This seems to be a very specific salty reference to a personal experience.

    My species is open, but I have to make a choice to maintain canon or not. This is out of respect for the OC, who has obviously invested a lot of significant time. I can't see the problem with closed species personally. You don't buy design rights with an adopt, you're buying a very specific character. And FYI: Copywriting is different than what you are taking about. Copywriting is taking the same thing, and calling it the same as the OC.

    Counterfeit is actually a closer term, because it can entail deviations that make it similar, all while trying to pass off as the "real deal".
     
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  3. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Actually, yeah you have some good points. And yeah I did have an OC taken away before without even so much as a warning or valid reason, which is part of why I wrote this. Its mostly just born out of random species drama, some of which I was involved in unfortunately.
     
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  4. silveredgreen

    silveredgreen Determined Dragon

    I can understand a lot of rules for closed species, and even open ones, but i agree its stupid to tell people they can't draw porn of theirs or give it a certain personality.
     
  5. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    True. Things like the Dutch Angel Dragon muzzle rings are part of the backstory, which is completely understandable, as are anatomy specific rules. Real life species have certain traits and taxonomy that make them that type of animal, and if they didn't fit the criteria they wouldn't be considered part of the species. I imagine its the same with original species. But things like not being able to name your OC a certain name, give them accessories etc is just silly IMO.
     
  6. Telnac

    Telnac Fundamentalist Heretic

    Telnac is hardly the first example of an andriod dragon and I don’t expect him to be the last. While Telnac’s backstory is entirely his own, I welcome all who choose to play in his twisted version of reality.
     
  7. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Telnac sounds like a pretty cool character! He sounds interesting. I like how you realize though Telnac is yours, you don't claim the entire concept of robotic dragons. Regarding species though, anyone can put a fan on the butt of any animal (yes even foxes) or swirl up an anthro's tail and make it big and call it a Cinna (insert animal name here) legally. Unless the creator actually went and paid to legally trademark the name. Even then you could still make one but slap a different name on it IMO.

    I kinda swing the other way on offbrand adopts but I hate when people get bashed for making their own personal character. Its worth noting this CS group told its members to report any offbrand OCs to the mods. Uh what are you gonna do about that? You can't take away someone's character just because they choose not to participate in your group. You could send your fanbase after them but that just makes you and your community look bad.
     
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  8. silveredgreen

    silveredgreen Determined Dragon

    Tbh if i even remotely enjoyed the concepts behind these extremely popular closed species i'd make an 'off-brand' OC that's list listed as a fox or a dog and wouldn't care how much harassment i get. And i might actually do so with Foxfans. You're absolutely right, the species owners and their fanbases need to realize that they can't dictate what types of characters people can and can't make. If someone wants to make a dog with an ocean for a tail they have every right to do so.
     
  9. -..Legacy..-

    -..Legacy..- Sergal Mafia :P

    There is the perception of "washing out" an original species, though. I think the particular species closed rule is meant to maintain the pure species standard more than anything. It's not terribly too much to ask that it's specifically a cross.

    I find this topic pretty interesting, actually. Sergals are a very well known original species yet we don't see any of these issues, even being an open species. You can even be rewarded by Mick himself, by maintaining canon, and there's a chance he may include your character in his work. Still, you rarely see any "weird" Sergals by the original standards.
     
  10. Kellan Meig'h

    Kellan Meig'h Kilted Coder

    I think some of these "Requests for how you must treat my OC" comes from a sense of Ownership/Creation/Parenthood in creating an original character or for that matter, an original universe with original characters that inhabit that universe.

    I wrote a series of stories that centered around a stallion and his tigress wife. He was from Tenth century Denmark, a former Berserker and she was born in Hughson, California, circa 1966. They were unwilling celestial troubleshooters for the Gods, both having been made immortal not of their own volition. Their stories were clean due to the nature of the subject. I, however had to go after others that created fanfics of them without permission, putting them in decided XXX porn situations. I have had the same trouble with the latest arc I've been hammering away on, needing to "request" a story be taken down.

    One person actually asked to use my characters for a story and I offered to help in any way possible. I actually think he wanted me to proof and clean up his writing style, which was the classic Wall Of Text. tl;dr. The most interesting theft of Intellectual Property was a gentleman to just copied my stories and changed the character's names. That was interesting. Forgot to change the disclaimer header I use at the beginning of each chapter.

    I would say, if a character requires certain markings/conformation/naming conventions/attitude, just go with it if you're going to use that OC. The creator took the time to think about and set up that race/species, so respect that much of the situation.

    Also, never hurts to google your character's names once in a while.
     
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  11. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Exactly. I have two Cinnawolves and the day I die is the day I stop drawing them. (Unless you can draw in the next life lol) In fact Im redesigning one of my Cinnas because I don't really like the food I picked, you can't do much with it. I also have two off brands of a smaller species that I made because I lost a trade for an MYO slot because the person was asking WAY too much for no more than what it was worth so I went off and made my own xD

    That's the thing about offbrands/unofficial OCs, you completely own the design you make and are free to change it at any time, nobody can push you around and tell you what to do with something you made.
     
  12. Telnac

    Telnac Fundamentalist Heretic

    Yeah I have no priblem with someone writing fanfic in Telnac’s version of the future but using Telnac in their XXX porn fanfic w/o permission? Not cool! I don’t claim ownership of the concept of android dragons (and I’d be shot down of I tried b/c android dragons long predate Telnac) but Telnac himself is mine.
     
  13. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    True. I wouldn't want people making pornographic art/fics of my characters either without my consent. My mascot has a fan tail, but I don't claim the concept of fan-tailed creatures because I didn't come up with them and even if I did it's a free to use idea as long as they weren't copying my exact characters. I like how you don't try to claim the concept of android dragons, or
    make them "closed".
     
  14. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Now I wonder what would happen if say, you bought a CS character or regular adoptable, and you did something against the creator's little rules, despite the fact that they sold the IP and its no longer theirs and you kept using the OC even though it's been "revoked".
     
  15. -..Legacy..-

    -..Legacy..- Sergal Mafia :P

    Well, then they violated the original contract stipulations. They exchanged "this for that" (aka quid pro quo), and are obviously someone I wouldn't be terribly upset about being black holed by any particular community for such. It's just being an immature person in general.

    That's no different that taking out a loan on a car, not paying for it, and don't feel like you should abide by the original agreement, so you keep using it.
     
  16. This is one of the aspects of the fandom that I'm not familiar with, I've never jumped into this concept of OCs and the ownership of them. I've mostly had a low key enthusiasm in the fandom and it's never evolved into any creative expression or personal involvement. I trust the opinions of this thread when it comes to this topic, even if I don't quite know what it's like to deal with this personally.
     
  17. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Well I gotta say your lucky you never dove into this stuff or got involved. Personally closed species are the worst. You CANNOT force someone to pay to make an OC, especially if its something like a dog with food slapped on it. Putting someone on a public ban/blacklist because they made themselves a character without paying you for the "rights" is just shameful imo. Look up Species-Nerd on DA, I like what he/she does.

    Note that this only applies to the unoriginal species out there. Ones that have original anatomy, lore etc are different. Basically what I'm saying is anyone can make their own damn dessert dog or whatever if they want. It's perfectly legal. An MYO slot is nothing more than a free pass to not get harassed by the community.
     
  18. ShinyFloof

    ShinyFloof Member

    Legacy, I deleted my reply to you because afraid I misunderstood what you said. Sorry about that
     
  19. -..Legacy..-

    -..Legacy..- Sergal Mafia :P

    Zero worries here. It's what discussions are about, sharing opinions.
     

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