Patreon "only" accounts

Discussion in 'Site Discussion' started by Zahur, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. Zahur

    Zahur The eastern rift dragon

    Good day FA-forum, today I wanted to talk with you about a topic:
    FA profiles that are used just to spam their patreon.
    Before I start the discussion, I have to say that I don't have anything against patreon when used in the correct way(to support an artist you like) and not as a pay-wall.
    It is quite frustrating when you watch good artists but the only usage of the site for them is just a sort of AD-spam folder.
    I mean, you prohibited journals/submission reminders(About raffles/YCH or whatnot) because they caused spam(While, IMO, they just created some affluence to artists that deserve it, giving them a way to grow) and yet you allow this cheesy spam system?
    I would like to hear your opinion about that, thanks for your time and have a nice day.
     
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  2. maxgoof

    maxgoof Member

    I do recall a certain very talented singer on FA who would tout his latest CD just about every day. Got so bad I eventually had to stop watching him.
     
  3. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    I would pretty much classify it as intentional spam, though considering all the YCH reminders just got legal on FA, it's not very likely that staff is going to do anything with this kind of crap anytime soon. There aren't as many of those accounts, and artists who use such methods of self-advertisement aren't usually very popular anyway, so it doesn't bother me that much.

    The problem with reminders is that they have too much potential for abuse. For example, many artists used reminders to advertise adult artwork to users of SFW version of the site, to artificially increase view counter, or to just blatantly spam everything. Due to how the site works, with ticket system and stuff, it was a pain in the butt to report on bad behavior - you can't link the submissions because they were eventually deleted anyway, so you have to screenshot everything and then use some 3rd party image hosting service, because you can't link pics to tickets. As of now, reminders are non-prohibited again, and FA promised to make a separate segment of the site for them, which is a great idea, but several months later, we don't have that segment, and gallery is flooded with reminders again, so I'm just hoping it's in works now, and not the usual "ruining the site by trying to improve it" practice so common for FurAffinity folks
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2017
  4. Nubfox

    Nubfox New Member

    It's getting rediculous.

    30-50% of the submissions in my FA feed are....

    1. Cropped teaser pictures that lead to a paywall on patreon
    2. "Open for commissions" reminders.
    3. Streaming reminders.
    4. YCH adverts.
    5. Adoptable adverts

    Please get these advertisements under control. There's getting to be no point in watching people.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2017
  5. Zahur

    Zahur The eastern rift dragon

    I could say a few artists that are really followed and to that, and to be honest I don't really get why they get so many views.

    I can understand the last 3 points if they are posted just once, but I agree that spammed reminders are a pain in the...
     
  6. Zahur

    Zahur The eastern rift dragon

    I would really like admins to take some decisions about that situation...
     
  7. Uluri

    Uluri Lord of Potatoes

    If the artist you are watching is no longer posting content you like seeing, the simple solution is to unwatch them. What is the point
    of continuing to watch content you have no interest in seeing or participating in? I don't really agree with a paywall only method of
    using patreon, but it is the artists' own right to make their content pay to view if they want. If they lose audience over it, it is their
    own undoing. The same goes for YCH advertisers. Only ads are not content I like, so I unwatch or don't watch artists who do that. Super Easy.

    As for Stream Banners, I'd like to see more people delete their stream banners after they are finished streaming. I enjoy
    visiting all sorts of streams in the day, but I don't enjoy finding a stream that's been over 5 hours ago.
     
  8. Nubfox

    Nubfox New Member

    It isn't just about watching people. It's about the whole site. On the front page of FA, usually about a fourth of the submissions on the "Recent Artwork" tab are advertisements. How are advertisements recent artwork?

    If people are posting lots of ads instead of art, their page isn't the only place where it shows up. It shows up in "Browse" and "Search" and the front page too.
     
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  9. fallout19980

    fallout19980 Just some guy writing stories and playing dota

    Good point
     
  10. I find it really sad when instead of an actual description of why they did the art and the meaning like they used to, some artists just push their patreon. Someone I'm watching does that now. It's not spam, it's just really upsetting from the point of view of someone who actually cares about what the artist has to say.

    I'm glad that people are allowed to post about their YCHs now though.
     
  11. Zahur

    Zahur The eastern rift dragon

    I think this post deserves a UP and I would really like to hear about the staff's opinion
     
  12. Dragoneer

    Dragoneer Administrator Staff Member

    We're looking into better options to handle it, but part of the philosophy is a "vote with your watch" scenario. If you don't like the content an artist is posting vote with your watch, and let the artist know why. I do find the excessive postings frustrating on a personal level and a professional one. Trying to find the best way to handle it, however, is a bit of a tricky situation.
     
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  13. jayhusky

    jayhusky Well-Known Member

    @Dragoneer I actually have a 3rd party script for hiding such submissions, sure it doesn't remove them directly from the inbox, but just hides them on the screen.

    You specify keywords and it searches the title of the submission and hides it using CSS..
    If you want it, you're welcome to a copy to examine and see if it can be adapted for FA. So far I've found it very friendly and effective in hiding content I don't wish to see.
     
  14. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    In that case, while efforts of FA staff are admirable, permitting reminders and other "spam" submissions by AUP without offering a good way to categorize/hide them in advance was a rather counterproductive thing to do. I mean, while ticket reporting wasn't very practical for handling such submissions, it was certainly better than eliminating the way to handle them at all.
     
  15. Dragoneer

    Dragoneer Administrator Staff Member

    There actually is a way to categorize them in the upload system. Getting people to use it, however, is the challenge.
     
  16. killermeow

    killermeow New Member

    Well there's another huge problem with that- there is no way to filter it out of a general search or browse. I still see YCHs pop up when browsing material themes I want to see, even if they are correctly categorized- until we get a way to filter out categories by default, giving things like this their own categories isn't going to do jack to stop the root of the problem. We will still get bombardments of things we don't care about whenever we look at new submissions, no matter what. If we could filter out the 'Other Stuff' categorized submissions as a whole across the site, we wouldn't have this issue for the most part- at least those of us who don't care/don't ever have money would be. Until we get something like that built into the site though, this will always be an issue- no matter how many categories you put in, if we can't get a way to not see those submissions, there's literally no point.
     
  17. jayhusky

    jayhusky Well-Known Member

    @killermeow
    While its not officially part of the site, you can grab a script which runs on FA and put in keywords (such as YCH) and it will filter them out for you.
    It doesn't remove them from inboxes, you'd still have to manually delete them, but it hides them from view so you don't have to see them again.

    If you're interested the link is down below along with the recommended add-on to make the script work

    Add-on: www.tampermonkey.net
    Script: greasyfork.org: SubFilter
     
  18. killermeow

    killermeow New Member

    Issue is I like to use IE11, and if there's a manual deletion problem then there would be no point either way- not to mention any completed YCHs would get caught in the crossfire. What I'd want is something on the site itself to block the entirety of the 'Other Stuff' category by default, or at the very least some way to filter it out of my searches/browses.
     
  19. Ciderfine

    Ciderfine Slow as sickness but true as sap

    Why can the site, excluding those who do the spamming vote on it and have the admins decide the outcome to accept the vote or not? Spamming occurs in not just ychs and all that crap I hate that offers no real artistic merit but in forms of art that have meaning being abused for clicks.

    Asset flipped models being porn into sfm with genitals glued to them to make "animations" or such is a horrible pain for someone who is a 3d artist and animator who has to fight to have their works seen in the flooding or fake animation content. What is real is all we are seeing is fake spammed content that just wants money? Not people or the original form of artists this site was know for thats what.
     
  20. Dalirous

    Dalirous New Member

    To get people to post the right places do I only think on how dA don't let you submit before you chosen a folder.

    Anyway, Yes I am tired of spam and in my online hours it's like half of the posted content when i browse art wich I find highly annoying.
    As much as I enjoy Furaffinity do I have to say that one's artwork is just covered under spams so it really doesn't get seen unless someone go into categories.
    There should be a rule about it that if you do advertising spam, like to paywalls and such... some consequence is needed, like example only being able to post once a day or 2 or 3 times but not every 10th minute. It should properly be a general thing, I know some newbies wanna post all their art, but seriously, even I can survive with the max 5 post a day or something,most people between the serious artist only post a drawing or two every week or every second week depending on it all. It would hold a lot of spam down as people would have to use their brains to what times would then be right to do these advertisement posts and other art still have a chance to be seen.
    Of cause this just being an idea.
     

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