RMFC 2017 canceled

Discussion in 'Furry Conventions' started by brian577, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    ANTIFA? No shit.

    They call themselves "anti-fascists", but are clearly fascists in their words, and their actions. More walking ironic contradictions is hard to find. BLM and SJW's are hard competition, though.
     
  2. ChromaticRabbit

    ChromaticRabbit lagomorphic

    Shouldn't we say it rather actually had something a great deal more to do with the con chair's prior child-sex convictions (you know, parents took their children to this convention), Sovereign Citizen kookiness and Federal tax fraud, general paucity of convention committee wisdom and judgement, and, oh yeah, a posse of utterly tone deaf people who think it's cool to fetishize Hitler and/or the German National Socialists of yore?

    Really, this convention died because of a profound lack of common sense, character, taste, and integrity in its leadership. But I've seen you write phone books of defense for this elsewhere online while stating "TL;DR" at others' explanations as to just why this situation was so screwed up in the first place, and so I suppose trying to put a finer point on things with you would be misspent time. You're just not interested in what the reasonable people have to say about it, and you seem completely transparent to me.
     
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  3. Rainbo

    Rainbo New Member

    I mean hey, at least furries are featured in Rolling Stone now? Yay? :\
    Also I admit I LOL'd at this part:

    Miller [...] reached out to actual actual neo-Nazis via online forums. "I told them I was a furry and they said, 'What the fuck is this shit?'" says Miller. "They found out 60 percent of furries are gay males and told me, 'Get the fuck out of here.'"

    Wish I could say the concept of "furry Nazis" surprises me in the least, but literally nothing does anymore. Damn Nazis be everywhere these days. :p
     
  4. Nao

    Nao New Member

    ANTIFA furries are ruining the fandom
     
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  5. brian577

    brian577 Member

    Yep the people against Nazis and bigotry are the ones ruining the fandom /s
     
  6. MrPhox

    MrPhox Member

    I'm not really a fan of furry con, but its sad that these jerk force the con to be cancel due to security :(
     
  7. Julen

    Julen ✮ Banter Squad Member ✮

    *notices talk about fascism*






    *furiously reaches out for Thompson* IMG_20170413_180433.jpg
     
  8. Dedskunk

    Dedskunk Member

    A little something about this Deo character. She clams to be the victim about receiving a threat from the con owner after she was doxxed. In reality, she received a DMCA letter that detailed here violations (threatening to punch people) after she willingly filled out the information to sign up at the convention earlier (which she wasn't going to attend anyway this was found out after the threat on twitter). Speaking of threats, remember the guy who said he'd bring a gun to the convention? Turns out he wasn't a furry or a furry raider to begin with. The fact that Deo lied and got triggered over someone who had no connections to fandom is laughable.

    Now about the furry raiders. From what I heard they sound like edgycunts and not whatever commie furs paint them as. I personally don't care what political movement you choose to LARP as, but this whole "PunchaNazi" meme has to end. regardless of what you think about "edgelords" or le ebul rightwingers, your an idiot if you think its justified to shut down a con all because you were prohibited from punching people. Its getting to the point to when we might see people being attacked at cons for having different opinions/ideals.
     
  9. brian577

    brian577 Member

    If you really think shutting down the con was just about the Raiders or the threats, you need to do more research.
     
  10. Mandragoras

    Mandragoras Inept Abecedarian

    The con got shut down because they let a convicted sex offender with sovereign citizen affiliations sit on their board and draft bizarre cease-and-desist letters for them while they dodged federal taxes. They dug their own grave through incompetence. The fact that the "Richard Spencer getting decked" meme and block reservations by a tone-deaf edgelord clique were involved just makes the whole situation even more surreal and lurid.

    ...I feel like I said all this already. Does having a cold give you déjà-vu?
     
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  11. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    ANTIFA's getting their asses handed to them. Go check out the shit that went down in UC Berkeley.

    Was fun watching them inciting to violence, and when it first starts, get their asses handed to them. Fun shit!
     
  12. lupi900

    lupi900 Active Member

    Can you into detail?, that sound's very funny.
     
  13. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    Anti-fascists are actually pretty cool when it doesn't come to extremes. I would say it's like feminism - a generally benevolent and forward-thinking movement that gets a bad rep due to vocal minority of unpleasant people within it .з.

    (those people you've probably meant by that are not very cool, though, so, yeah, it's not cool, don't want to be like those uncool people .u. )
     
  14. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    Long story short:

    People held a free speech event/rally held by I think was Lauren Southern and someone else at UC Berkeley, ANTIFA shows up, starts a fight, throing M80's into groups of people, throw bottles and other crap, and get their asses handed to them, despite being the aggressors. Once the people attending the event/rally decided to defend themselves, ANTIFA got beaten up hard.

    Anti-fascist. More like ANTI-First Amendment.

    Their ideals, words and actions don't match up. At all.

    So far, their actions, shown on hundreds of videos all over, are that of violent Left-wing fascists. This isn't some fringe group inside ANTIFA. This IS ANTIFA.

    Part of being a fascist is suppressing anything and anyone you don't agree with, through terror if necessary. The ends justify the means.
    www.wordnik.com: fascism - definition and meaning

    And so far, the only ones who want to suppress their opposition, through terror and/or violence if necessary, is ANTIFA. BLM and SJW's in the same boat, with feminists only being verbally abusive, alongside attempting to literally get people fired, simply for disagreeing with these lunatics. Go check out Gregory Allan Elliot and thunderfoot if you don't believe me.

    "The fascists of the future will be anti-fascists". Some people say Winston Churchill said this, but I doubt it.



    Welcome to UC Berkeley. I've got a plethora of other videos as well, from both Left-wing and Right-wing independent journalists.

    ANTIFA's a joke. Whatever credibility they may have had some time ago before they started being violent thugs is long gone, due to their actions. Setting people on fire, looting and pillaging stores, setting cars on fire, attacking police with everything from stones to molotov cocktails, you name it.
     
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  15. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    I think you're oversimplifying the movement quite a bit. The thing is, there are many different groups, passive or extreme, pacifistic or violent, etc - in fact, quite a few anti-fascist groups were formed as a result of violence and extremism, a reaction to it. What you see on the news or trending YouTube vids are extreme, overblown examples of anti-fascism, mainly because peaceful meetings and acts of decency don't make for very interesting stories - you don't hear much about groups like NAAR initiating awareness-raising campaigns, or German groups successfully (and non-violently) blocking out Neo-Nazi marches for example. ANTIFA by itself stands as a shortened variation on the word "anti-fascist" - nothing more, nothing less, and you don't even need to be in a particular group to be an outspoken anti-fascist, really. In that context, what you're trying to say is "Everybody who stands up against fascism sucks eternally, no questions".
    Claiming that the vid you posted above is one and only truthful representation of the movement is like saying that Tyra Banks episode is a truthful representation of furry community - it's understandable to think like that, but only if you're not interested in the topic enough to do proper research outside of a bunch of pre-filtered media coverage (which is a kind of behavior you usually advocate against)
     
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  16. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!



    ^ I do not watch the news, nor do I watch the trending tab. I have plenty of videos and other sources I can link, as I have have stated. The livestream(on the site) video I linked in my previous post have an M80 thrown by ANTIFA into a Pro-Trump group at Berkeley, at around the 25 minute mark. You haven't seen the livestream, I would guess. Nor any of the videos showing ANTIFA for what they truly are: Thugs.

    Tim Pool doesn't sit on his ass someplace safe. He jumps into the middle of it, and as his trip to Sweden has shown, could have had dire consequences if he'd stayed there longer.

    I am against fascism too, however, I do not go and fuck up someone elses free speech event, throwing M80's, beating up people until they bleed and/or are unconscious, nor do I go to rallies whose people I personally disagree with, with hidden weapons with the intention of "collecting some Nazi scalps".

    And you believe blocking people's right to speak their mind is ok? Neo-Nazi or not, they are free to speak their mind.

    I know ANTIFA stands for "anti-fascist". However, all I am seeing, across the entire board from journalists and videos, is them acting like fascists, what they claim to oppose.

    fasc•ism (făshˈĭzˌəm)


    • n.
      A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    • n.
      A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
    • n.
      Oppressive, dictatorial control.
    ^ The dictionary definition of fascism, which I follow.

    If ANTIFA, BLM, etc, keeps this shit up, National Socialism is becoming more and more alluring as the days go by.

    Also. Allow me to introduce you to yet another lunatic group: BAMN, By Any Means Necessary.


    Again. This isn't some small group inside ANTIFA. This IS ANTIFA. Until I see ANTIFA members condemning the violent actions of other ANTIFA members, I will look upon ANTIFA, as a whole group, as violent fascist thugs.
     
  17. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    Welp, I already made my claims about your arguments of "every antifa group/member being a shithead", which I totally disagree (and explained in reasonable lengths why), so I'll just ask you to rewatch (and maybe demonstrate) some of that footage - most likely all of aforementioned "actions" will be about same 3 or 4 groups like BAMN or Antifasistisk Aktion. Just for sake of good discussion, do more research about organizations like NAAR (folks who mainly do promotional campaigns against racism and fascism) or Brighton Antifascists (rather aggressive and direct, but still with strong "no violence" code) - I mean, you can throw at me all the dictionary definitions you want, but as of now, information you provide to me looks a bit one-sided to give your statement a solid ground.

    I mean, it's not like they "just want to chill out and spread intelligent, thought-out messages about advantages of nationalism" on those parades - they're usually walking around with anti-semitic banners and making praises for Hitler, who was pretty much one huge mass murderer. To a degree, I can agree that everybody has to be free to speak their mind, but you should also be responsible for what you're saying or showing off, especially in the country that was damaged by WWII the most in the long run (not in casualties, but in ongoing reputation of being "that nation that screwed everybody over"). My idea of "speaking the mind" is to try and make a reasonable, understandable statement - if you're waving around insulting banners and mindlessly screaming accolades for a guy who's responsible for millions of horrible deaths, without even trying to make a reason of all this spectacle, you're kind of asking for a fight by default.

    I'll repeat that "ANTIFA" is an umbrella term for anti-fascists in general (and anti-fascist groups in particuler). Why one members should condemn other members if they're not that connected in the first place? After all, if one antifa members have to speak up for other antifa members, doesn't that connect them even more into that "huge circle of thuggery"? If they follow your advice, in a way it'll only give you more reasons to hate the movement :D

    (also, using /pol/ meme vids to prove your point isn't a very good idea. A bit no good idea. Not gud. Nop)
     
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  18. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    Tim Pool's livestream video is de facto how it went down in Berkeley. Go watch it. Go watch Naked Ape's video on ANTIFA. Go watch Sargon of Akkad's video on ANTIFA. Go watch Kraut and Tea's video on ANTIFA.

    Brighton Antifascists:
    https://brightonantifascists.com/

    Quote: "Welcome to Brighton Antifascists. We are an independent group, based in Brighton, that formed as a response to an increase in nationalist and fascist activity in our community. We are willing to confront any fascist/racist activities in our area, by encouraging mass direct action amongst other methods. We are not aligned with any political party, nor do we co-operate with any, we also don’t work with the police. The state cannot be relied upon to oppose fascism, and will tolerate or encourage fascist groups when it suits its purposes."

    ^ What does "willing to confront any fascist/racist activities in our area, by encouraging mass direct action amongst other methods" and "we also don't work with the police" mean? Sounds a lot like taking shit into your own hands to me.

    "Mass direct action". Sounds a lot like lynch mobs. And according to the LAW, it is not illegal to be a fascist nor racist.

    There's being responsible for your actions, nothing more. These people are not violent, the ones protesting and attacking them are. I am not defending their beliefs, I am defending their right to say whatever the fuck they want. Free speech works in a way that everyone is allowed to hold any beliefs they want, express them however they want, and talk to anyone they want. Given that they talk to the ones who are willing to listen, and they follow the laws, which they do. You are free to protest whatever the fuck you want, however, you are not allowed to actively block, suppress, oppress or otherwise silence any individual, group or movement you don't agree with.

    There are NO laws broken. There are NO laws that prevents/suppresses hateful speech. It is not illegal to be Anti-Semitic, otherwise, the Muslims going about in both France and Germany would be jailed en masse by waving ISIS flags in the streets.

    However, if we're going to talk about death tolls..

    Communism have killed tens of millions. The Holocaust and the 2nd World War's a fucking picnic in comparison. If anything, Communism is way worse than Nazism. I am not condoning either, however, Communism have de facto killed way more.
    Death toll of communism - Conservapedia

    That said: I do not care who or what your beliefs are, as long as you follow the law. Which the alleged neo-Nazis actually do: ANTIFA doesn't.

    Hating something/someone is not illegal. Acting upon that hate however, is.

    Words ≠ Actions.

    ANTIFA is a group, a movement. Their actions speak for themselves. And as a group, they have individual responsibility to reel each other in if or when a member steps out of bounds. Or are they all free to do whatever the fuck they want?

    Oh, and btw..
    www.foxnews.com: UC Berkeley riots: Violence looms as mayor questioned over ties to extremist group
    ^ Mayor of Berkeley may have extremist ties. How odd..
    FBI Allegedly Investigating Mayor of Berkeley, CA For Inciting Riot And Ordering Police to Stand Down - CNN Doing Damage Control | Zero Hedge
    ^ FBI aren't allowed to say if they are in fact investigating someone. No matter what they find, the results may be interesting.
    pjmedia.com: UN 'Human Rights Chief: 'Legal Obligation To Stop Hate Speech'
    ^ Oh, and another article you might want to check out..

    If you're not interested in listening and understanding why I have the views I have by watching the videos/source material I've provided(I can provide WAY more), then we are done here, as I am not interested in continuing a pointless conversation.
     
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  19. Dedskunk

    Dedskunk Member

    So what? He severed his time. His sex offender conviction had nothing to do with the situation. It was dug up and used as an excuse. Also this fandom is full of sex offenders so your statement is invalid.
    >I'm going to this con to punch people I don't like
    >gets cease-and-desist
    >OMG their preventing me from punching people I don't like, better shut it down
    Deo made the treat first and a person proposed to defend himself from that threat. After still claiming she would pursue the threat, she got banned. Do you know what happened after she got banned? She dug up dirt on the manager, wrote a hitpiece, claimed she was threatened by a fucking DMCA and spread the hitpiece to everyone in the press.
    c-citation please

    like I said, the furry raiders were edgelords and we know what happens to edgelord groups. What about Dixiefurs? Will they be next? Will AZ furcon be shut down because everyone in Arizona is an "ebul racist"? This is the point when a "subculture" can be officially declared dead.
     
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  20. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    What's next?

    Anthrocon's getting cancelled because someone's fee-fee's got hurt due to a slight disagreement?

    Furries fucking love drama. The Drama Llama's having a field day constantly in this fandom. He's like an opposite Santa Claus: Works 365 days a year, 24/7. And everywhere.
     
  21. Andromedahl

    Andromedahl Unlicensed UFO Pilot

    I should really just sit back and keep my yap shut but while I understand every news source is gonna be biased towards one side or another, in the states at least, Fox is considered right wing to the point where their stuff is seen more as opinion pieces rather than hard facts when they're talking about national news.

    Rather conspiratorial site, no?

    Also kinda still more of an opinion place...

    Like I get debate is kinda just opinion vs. opinion but -less- of a bias will help your case out. (I say less as I can acknowledge there's seldom a neutral.)

    S'my $0.02. Political stuff ain't my strong suit tho.
     
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  22. Royn

    Royn Otterest Sergal evah!

    lol just does not even touch how much this made laugh. Still laughing. Fricken brilliant. Brilliant. lol
     
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  23. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    I can cite other sources instead?

    Sweden Creates 55 "No-Go Zones" As It Loses Control Of Refugee Crisis | Zero Hedge
    ^ Police in Sweden can confirm this.

    Russia Warns Norway Over Missile Defense Plans | Zero Hedge

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    "Political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell

    Truth may seem more fiction than actual fiction.

    A decent amount Alex Jones' conspiracies are coming true, although some of the shit he does say is just.. Funny.

    What was conspiracies yesterday is fact today. And you'd be amazed how many conspiracies have been proven to be true in the past decade alone, thanks to WikiLeaks, Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers. Oh, and other leak sources, too.

    The Drama Llama's definitely doing his rounds. Especially since Trump got elected. Never seen such levels of butthurt in my entire life.
     
  24. Zenoth

    Zenoth The average chipfox, doing chipfox stuff.

    2 had some good thoughts on RMFC I think.
     
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  25. Royn

    Royn Otterest Sergal evah!

    the butthurt is enormously exacerbated by the fact that nary a one even truly knows why they are while all the time believing fervently that they do. Very sad that it turns out that there are at least two generations in the USA that are just.... well.... Gullibly stupid.
     
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