Want To Find/Create a Place That The Clean Side of The Fandom Can Interact

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by SuperShermanTanker, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. SuperShermanTanker

    SuperShermanTanker New Member

    I'm starting to get really bothered by the amount of sexual stuff I see from the fandom and I clearly am on the side of the fandom that is in the fandom for the art and not the dark stuff. I really feel there should be more of a seperation between the dark stuff and the clean stuff meaning for there to be the clean sites and the clean sites to create a bit of a seperation between the furry who wants to be a furry for the cartoons and art and the furry who is interested in the darker stuff. I'm only bringing this up because other fandoms are like that and have a clear line between a guy who likes the darker stuff and a guy who is clean and is in the fandom just because they like the topic of the fandom and I'm going to say this here the furry fandom is not defined by the sexual stuff it's defined by the interest in anthromorphics and it's possible to have a place where furries can mingle in a clean environment where there is NO sexual stuff there or even close referees to it. All there has to be is just a small push to get a place like that up and running so there can be a place where the cleaner furries can avoid the darker stuff.
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  2. KimberVaile

    KimberVaile Edgy teenage apathy.

    I can see your perspective of being fatigued from sexual art. However, this problem isn't unique to the fandom, I'm sure there are some outliers in the sonic fandom that hate the recolors and sexually themed art. This is true of every community that has existed, the Overwatch community will incessantly complain about toxic players and griefers, the Mechwarrior Online community will complain about those who never read the lore and the "tryhards". The anime community will complain about the "weebs" and SwordArt Online fans. Divided desires is incredibly common and the incessant need to draw lines and separate is both futile and unwarranted in my opinion. There are a few edge cases were a divide is warranted but this really isn't one if you ask me.

    The desire to create a website more niche than FA is a doomed concept. We've already had the Weasyl divide happen, and for it's lofty ambitions of competing with FA, it did it remarkably poorly. That isn't to say FA isn't a archaically coded mess with other outlying problems, but you're really asking for a lot for furries to deroot from a website they've established themselves on for years. Ask yourself. Does the demand for clean art furries really constitute a new website? Will that website even be viable with the narrow niche it inhabits? With Weasyl struggling to even stay relevant, I'd be disinclined to agree. Isn't this something a more strict content filterer can achieve? Of course it is questionable if it can be enforced by the current staff, but I'd say that's a more logical thing to request than a entire website dedicated to it. Even just from the sake of convenience, having two sites for two things, is a pain, since alot of artists switch between clean and mature. I find the whole debate about the overabundance of furry porn silly to be honest.

    If I recall correctly, anime generally speaking will yield results both mature and clean were you to search it on an art site like DA or pixiv. There's no line in the sand drawn there, because generally speaking, filters will do their job and there isn't this overbearing guilt over porn, like there is with furries. I think a lot of that guilt is vicariously imposed through the media. Sexual art isn't a newfound concept. Furries I feel, care way too much about how others see them. Furries are weird, the sooner you come to terms with it, the less guilty you'll feel over it, but I digress.

    I could be presuming way too much, admittedly. If you really want a clean environment, associate with those who share your values in clean art, watch people who only make clean art, talk to people share your views. Your experience in any fandom will largely be determined by who you associate with. The broad overarching culture of the fandom undoubtedly isn't going to be the culture everybody within it will see, it's down to the people you know.
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  3. SuperShermanTanker

    SuperShermanTanker New Member

    True thanks for clearing things up I just had a idea of maybe a blog where I could share art maybe that people can follow that will be clean and since it will be a perosnally hosted and run blog that won't be aimed at competing with the big sites but a small place where I could share the good things I feel the fandom has
  4. i dont really care for the dirty stuff all that much myself but only time quarantine is really necessary is in case of pathogens. i dont think splitting the fandom is really gonna help anyone might get some of the more depraved perverts in the fandom out of sight but thats all it would accomplish. much more practical to just ignore it unless your interested or they do something that actively hurts the fandoms image like yiffing in public or something.
  5. Mathew Hawley

    Mathew Hawley New Member

    I agree, we should begin to build a new website and be a little more strict with submissions.

    So let's get about 40 raspberry pies and build a cruddy server and try it out. If people like it great ! If not least we tried .

    Now who,s with me
  6. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    Create a Discord group that doesn't have lewd in it.

    Boom, problem solved.
  7. Kellan Meig'h

    Kellan Meig'h Kilted Coder

    There are two boards that are SFW and family friendly. Both are probably not far from being closed down due to lack of interest, too.

    Sorry to say, sex/gore/hyper/herm/gay/etc. sells on the Intarwebs. Straight/clean just doesn't have a big enough draw.
  8. Activoid

    Activoid Ace Artist

    As someone who is aromantic and asexual, I find it horribly obnoxious too. Oh well, sucks to be born in a sexual society where there is just sex sex sex everywhere. So goddamn annoying. So yeah a SFW alternative would be great. If anyone can think of one, or wants to make one. I'll be the first to sign up for it, friendo.
  9. Maximor_Bloodpanda

    Maximor_Bloodpanda The True Anti-Conformist

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  10. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    discordapp.com: Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers

    Feel free to check it out. Can make your SFW group there. Pretty damn good program.
  11. xofrats

    xofrats The cat said what?

    There is also the furry amino app. It's SFW. You can post your art and thoughts in your blog (a bit like tumblr) and join chats.
  12. Sergei Sóhomo

    Sergei Sóhomo Well-Known Member

    I'm the same as you but I don't understand why people think it's a problem. Whatever sells, sells
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  13. Eleven-lyc

    Eleven-lyc Elder Werewolf

    There are "clean" communities out there, but they tend to be small or hard to find. The biggest one I've encountered, though I haven't really looked far, is the main community of Furs here in the UK, <//ukfur.org./>. They seem to share your frustrations with FA, and other sites "of that sort". It tends to be a healthy attitude though, as they organize FurMeets in public spaces, so it helps to avoid that sort of stuff anyway, public image and such. You might find a similar situation in the US, where organizers of FurMeets tend to socialize on smaller and cleaner sites/areas outside of FA, for similar reasons. The sort of people you'll find in those places will also be in a much better position to give you further directions, too.
    I like FA, but I can imagine your frustrations. Good luck! Maybe post back here if you find something interesting; I reckon there's quite a few others around that would be interested.
  14. RailRide

    RailRide The Real Wheels of Steel

    Probably more accurate to say "Straight/clean ONLY just doesn't have a big enough draw"

    It is said by those in the know that 80% of the uploads to FA are General Audience. It's probably not realistic to assume that all those uploading G-rated art are only looking at the same. (for example: I look at plenty of smut, but the vast majority of my artwork is G-rated.)

    Hence the opinon that a "clean-only" content platform won't get far in this commnunity--the only people who would gravitate to it are basically those into "virtue signalling".

    As always, the best way to make a clean experience is to build your own 'echo chamber' in the form of +watching artists who only draw stuff you're comfortable looking at (and/or properly rate the stuff you don't like so your content filter will exclude it). Eventually you'll have a large enough flow of material that you never have to look at the recent uploads

  15. There are always going to be folks that are "bothered" by this type of activity in this Fandom. It's a debate that seems to keep being re-hashed, over and over.

    One older thread (that I remember) from 2 years ago : forums.furaffinity.net: What levels of maturity in the fandom do you appreciate the most?

    I've said it before on this board before (over the years) - and I'll say it again.. if it bothers you that much then don't look at it.

    There are G-Rated and PG-Rated Fandom sites that exist; so... it may be best just to stick with those, and also keep your FA settings on "SFW only".

    That way there guys like me can have our Yiff.. (as without Yiff - this Fandom is much more boring to me)... and folks like you can keep it squeaky clean, if you prefer it that way..

    We *can* have both -- this Fandom should be able to "walk and chew gum", at the same time.
  16. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    But, eh, u know, eh, not everybody uses Discord or wants to, eh?
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  17. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    *gasps in viking*

    They are going to have to find some other way then. Another platform. Kik, Telegram, Skype, Candid, IRC, PM's over the forum. Another forum. Plenty of solutions, if they are willing to use them.

    As far as I know, Discord and Skype will allow people to talk as much in real-time as much as possible, and share whatever they want to share. Can be setup however they wish, too.
  18. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    Problem with Discord and Skype is that both services lack good web-based clients (like, the ones you can just run from browser) - you have to install app/program on your device of choice to chat with folks. Not to mention not everybody prefers "chat"-style conversations, there are many folks who just want to visit the place from time to time, read all the news, write a couple of things, and go do their business - as I said before, platforms like Discord and Skype are time-consuming by nature .з. To me, creating a sub-reddit is a good solution, forum will do just fine too. We have several prominent SFW furry groups on VK (ex-USSR analogue of Facebook - from the same guy who later made Telegram, actually) here in Russia, so yeah, maybe Facebook will be fine for that, through group management there is crappier and more limited as far as I know.
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  19. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    Sorry mate, that's where you're wrong. :3

    Discord can be run as a stand-alone app on your phone, as a stand-alone program on your desktop, and directly in your browser. Discord is a versatile program, which is why so many are using it.

    Though if you want news, you're going to have to visit news sites/sources.
  20. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    Eh, emphasis on "good". Web-versions of both Skype and Discord are kinda, well, not good - they're heavy on RAM/CPU, require some specific plugins, and are artificially limited compared to non-web versions in some form or another. I'm talking about enviropment that works equally well both with browsers and stand-alone apps, such as Reddit, Tumblr or VK.

    As for news, I guess I used it in wrong context .3. By news I meant "updates" as a whole, be it threads or submissions or what have you - Discord and Skype allow for rapid-fire discussions without waiting 20-30 minutes for another post, but they're aren't very good for people who just want to passively scroll through the feed to look for interesting threads and write there, all without engaging in active conversation about some random topic they may or may not care about - just like it works, well, here on FAF.
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  21. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    If your device barely have 500MB of RAM you're not going to end up using Discord on your phone anyway.

    The web-versions are only heavy on RAM/CPU usage if you have a lot of other crap running. And no, you don't need specific plug-ins. I've tried, both on my Android and on my desktop. Nothing is required other than a standard browser.

    Ultimately, it's their choice on what they end up doing.

    A suggestion of your own would be nice, instead of simply smacking down any ideas/suggestions that are put forth because you personally don't like them. <3
  22. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    Skype requires Flash, as far as I know - Discord is okay without that, so it's cool, I guess. RAM usage for both services is still a bit of a restriction, though - I can load said FAF or Reddit in seconds and work with it perfectly, but Discord and Skype can give me some problems (if run at all, if my smartphone is shitty enough). In that context, "You're not going to end up using Discord anyway" actually sounds like a counter-argument against Discord, just to underline the fact that it's less versatile and more consuming than some other equally valid available options c:

    But yeah, I'm not trying to smack anything up or something like that (all services are fine if they do their work, yap), I'm just counting possible drawbacks with making said "SFW place" exclusive to Discord or Skype users, along with demographic that will be left out in result. Same with creating a forum or subreddit, really - there will be some drawbacks for those who want rapid-fire conversations instead of thread-based lengthy discussions. It's all a matter of choice, so it depends on the end goal. I've only started to argue with your suggestion because you offered it as some kind of true and absolute solution (like, "Well, just install Discord, problem solved!"), so I wanted to bring up the cons to balance that a bit.
  23. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru I stubbed my log on a car!

    Unlike a forum in a web browser, Discord and Skype actually need resources in order to operate properly. It's not just coded lines. At worst, you only need 1MB of actual resources in order to run the code on a site. And that's the site itself, not the browser program.

    User interface, interactive features, on-demand or live stuff happening depending on how you interact with it, +++. A program is vastly different than that of a forum on resources used alone. A program is live, a forum is for the most part, on-demand.

    On a device with lower specs you're more likely to use your available resources on the OS and other stuff anyway, leaving less room for apps such as Discord and Skype.

    They are free to choose, and they don't have to limit themselves to one choice. They can do a mix of reddit, Discord, Skype and group chat/PM's over a forum.
  24. Pipistrele

    Pipistrele Smart batto!

    But again, as valid as aforementioned arguments are, the end result is still the same - Discord is less versatile and more consuming, even for the good reasons :)

    Welp, that's true, I agree on that. I was just, again, turned off a bit by "Try this, it'll fix everything" logic - if we're going to suggest something, let's do that properly, to give OP a good summary of pros/cons and offer some degree of choice. Advices like "Brand X is the best, forget everything else!" sound subjectively fanboyish and objectively useless, if you ask me .з.
  25. Kellan Meig'h

    Kellan Meig'h Kilted Coder

    Um, no.

    The two sites that I am an Admin on, do not fall under this category. They are SFW, which does not fall under this heading.

    All we expect is clean things your grandmother would not be offended by.
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