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    So, another admin has quit:

    http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2509059/

    If an admin was never very active, it ultimately doesn't make much difference. However when admins are leaving at such a rate as they have been recently and not being replaced it's pretty obvious that the malaise which effects FA is riding higher in the saddle than usual.

    I note that Nylak hasn't returned, 17 days after being de'admined. So that leaves 11 members of the administration team (AFAIK) + Dragoneer for tens of thousands of people.

    What is going on here?
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    FA is dying, didn't you get the memo from /furi/?

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    IMO, you're being a little pessimistic, here, Dio.
    But, as I'm not sure what I can, or can not say about this "situation" you're describing, I'll just keep my flap shut.
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    ' As we see through a lens darkly '

    The fact is, that you are correct. People are dropping like flies from the admin chain, and no new ducks are flying up to get into the targeting line. If FA wants to continue, there needs to be either

    1. Eventual replacements. Take for instance ( Yes, using video game lore ) The Brotherhood of Steel. They never let new members in, only using existing members. Eventually, the great group of 500 dwindled down to 30 some people. We need to keep refreshing the line here, and get new people in, or risk going to the point were we have our pants permanently down.

    2. Bring back, or convince past admins to return. True, some may have been a pain in the ass, and were kicked out for that reason. But you must admit, we need these guys more then we know.
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    Technically the people in the technical team count as admins too, but either way, they seem to be losing three times as many admins as they've been adding. Also, I wasn't aware Nylak was deadmined-- was it because of the whole "asking for pirated software" thing?

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    I wonder why

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Technically the people in the technical team count as admins too, but either way, they seem to be losing three times as many admins as they've been adding. Also, I wasn't aware Nylak was deadmined-- was it because of the whole "asking for pirated software" thing?
    IIRC, yeah, but don't take my word as fact. idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerbrusNL View Post
    as I'm not sure what I can, or can not say about this "situation" you're describing, I'll just keep my flap shut.
    So there is a 'situation' then.

    What about this 'situation' is so terrible that it absolutely must be kept secret?

    Why are members of staff frightened of telling people what's going on?

    In the absence of explanations, people may turn to speculation. My speculation:

    Dragoneer has little time for running FA at the moment (and may be actively avoiding dealing with things at times) and as he is very controlling but inconstant staff are unsure of what they're allowed to do or say and are frightened that if they speak out (even in private) or try and fix certain things themselves they will upset him and get kicked out. In the meanwhile, they are demoralized and not communicating well and a few bury themselves in trouble tickets, doing what they can.

    Lots of niggling problems (as well as big ones) are building up because Dragoneer won't or doesn't want to deal with them and no one else dares or can because there is little delegation. Sciggles is continuing to interfere with the site. The technical staff are not communicating properly (with each other or the rest of the staff/site) or fixing problems aright and there are tensions between them and some members of the administrative staff.

    Very slow progress is being made on fixing FA's chronic security and code problems, if at all and Dragoneer is afraid or averse of pushing or upsetting Yak for fear of what he might do. Carenath has control over the forums server and is extremely reluctant to let anyone else touch it. Again, Dragoneer is averse to doing anything about it for fear of what he might do and is reasonably content as long as he is allowed access.

    Some people who may have been asked to become admins have refused, having some inking of what the situation is like, while other people who have offered their help are being ignored.

    That is my speculation on some of the things which may be currently going on. Given how secretive things have generally been and are, I have to admit, I would find it hard to believe any denials that were not accompanied with a full and honest explanation of what is going on in relation to the denial.

    I would be well content if none of this were true, but based on what I've seen it is what I suspect may be happening. In the absence of explanation, we can only speculate.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeDawg View Post
    '. Bring back, or convince past admins to return. True, some may have been a pain in the ass, and were kicked out for that reason. But you must admit, we need these guys more then we know.
    I don't think it'd be a good idea to chaseing down ex-admins willy-nilly, it's not rocket science. There are some who are better off pissing outside, than inside pissing over people who use the site IMO.

    Some of them left/were pushed out because they were lazy anyhow and so bringing them back would be worse than not having them.
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    I'm sure there are many more people feeling a loss of confidence in the staff(and Dragoneer's) ability to maintain furaffinity.

    Someone should just buy FurAffinity from him and get the job done.

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    Dio, please read what I wrote, again:
    Quote Originally Posted by CerbrusNL View Post
    But, as I'm not sure what I can, or can not say about this "situation" you're describing, I'll just keep my flap shut.
    I did not say there was a situation. I'm not frightened, I'd just rather let mainsite staff explain stuff they know more about, than I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by insane_kangaroo View Post
    I'm sure there are many more people feeling a loss of confidence in the staff(and Dragoneer's) ability to maintain furaffinity.

    Someone should just buy FurAffinity from him and get the job done.
    IK, are you here to contribute to the discussion, or to stir up some drama?

    Please think about that before replying to this thread, or any thread in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeDawg View Post
    '. Bring back, or convince past admins to return. True, some may have been a pain in the ass, and were kicked out for that reason. But you must admit, we need these guys more then we know.
    Admins that were removed from staff, have been for a reason.
    You generally don't ask someone you fired, to come back.

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    was it because of the whole "asking for pirated software" thing?
    Afaik, Yup.
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    Cerb,

    I'm being very serious.

    If Dragoneer doesn't want to spend time maintaining FurAffinity, he should pass the reins to someone who wants to improve the community. The general outlook of FA has been... "We're going to be upgrading our site!" *3 months pass... 6 months... a year....* along with the security exploits which were left unpatched for over 6 months even after brought up to attention with a proof of concept(code + howto).

    Procrastinating on the issue is fracturing the online furry community. People need to get their tail in gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insane_kangaroo View Post
    Cerb,

    I'm being very serious.

    If Dragoneer doesn't want to spend time maintaining FurAffinity, he should pass the reins to someone who wants to improve the community. The general outlook of FA has been... "We're going to be upgrading our site!" *3 months pass... 6 months... a year....* along with the security exploits which were left unpatched for over 6 months even after brought up to attention with a proof of concept(code + howto).

    Procrastinating on the issue is fracturing the online furry community. People need to get their tail in gear.
    IK, The post I quoted contained no arguments for your point, hence my reply to it. I knew what you meant, but I'd like you to elaborate on it a little more next time, like you did in this post. Thanks.
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    As much as some of you like to make this into a big deal, it isn't. The admins are infact largely useless, and I don't mean this in an insulting way, I mean that 80% of the users don't care about FA's administration, the AUP, the rules, how it works or anything else. They care that FA is here and that it is currently functional. The only thing that Dragoneer needs to do is 'keep the lights on', and 80% of the users would be happy as clams, even if no other maintenance or administration was done in the site. If anything, admins are a detriment to that 80%, because the admins are a hindrance to their efforts to post photos of their dicks or their five thousand SecondLife screenshots.
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    IIRC Neer said he is going to try an incorporate the FAF staff into the FA staff to help handle TTs.

    Also isn't he getting like, you know, married soon? I kinda think that might have his attention and SHOULD. Why everyone feels the need to stir up shit is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit View Post
    IIRC Neer said he is going to try an incorporate the FAF staff into the FA staff to help handle TTs.
    Ok, we start to get some communication about the situation, thank you.

    My thought is, is that Dragoneer saying he is going to do something is one thing, him doing it is another. The 'when' of this thing would be important, especially since I imagine he might make that integration contingent on FA getting another level of staff on the mainsite, which would involve coding changes. Furthermore, it would more or less abolish the separation between mainsite and forums staff, which IIRC is supposed to be a thing, although of course new moderators could be taken on.

    Also isn't he getting like, you know, married soon? I kinda think that might have his attention and SHOULD. Why everyone feels the need to stir up shit is beyond me.
    No one has said he should focus on FA instead of and at the expense of his marriage. This is absolutely not a binary 'he must focus on his marriage and neglect FA or vice versa' situation: he can delegate and/or let someone else run FA for him. Given that FA is a community of hundreds of thousands of people; the largest furry community site there is and has been, it would be a good thing for the furry community if he let someone else run it for him/delegated while he focuses on the things more important to him.

    Also, I don't think it's fair to dismiss concern for the site/community as 'shit stirring'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshleyAshes View Post
    As much as some of you like to make this into a big deal, it isn't. The admins are infact largely useless, and I don't mean this in an insulting way, I mean that 80% of the users don't care about FA's administration, the AUP, the rules, how it works or anything else. They care that FA is here and that it is currently functional. The only thing that Dragoneer needs to do is 'keep the lights on', and 80% of the users would be happy as clams, even if no other maintenance or administration was done in the site. If anything, admins are a detriment to that 80%, because the admins are a hindrance to their efforts to post photos of their dicks or their five thousand SecondLife screenshots.
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    So there is a 'situation' then.

    What about this 'situation' is so terrible that it absolutely must be kept secret?

    Why are members of staff frightened of telling people what's going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aden View Post
    Thanks for that chilling interview, Rick
    And stay tuned for what's next on KDFA News 4, is your tap water harming your children? After this.
    Aden, as Dinosaurdammit said, Dragoneer said he was going to make FAF staff main site to handle trouble tickets, can you give any details about the how and when of that? And whether or not there will be any quotas for staff dealing with trouble tickets too.

    If you have any other information to communicate about what is going on with the recent rash of admin staff quitting, lack of replacements, the trouble tickets or the delayed UI, coding, security or whatev. that would be grand too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aden View Post
    Thanks for that chilling interview, Rick
    And stay tuned for what's next on KDFA News 4, is your tap water harming your children? After this.
    No, it's something I've been noticng as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocletian View Post
    Aden, as Dinosaurdammit said, Dragoneer said he was going to make FAF staff main site to handle trouble tickets, can you give any details about the how and when of that? And whether or not there will be any quotas for staff dealing with trouble tickets too.

    If you have any other information to communicate about what is going on with the recent rash of admin staff quitting, lack of replacements, the trouble tickets or the delayed UI, coding, security or whatev. that would be grand too.

    Thank you.
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    I honestly only know of very little and I will admit it openly. I think the integration will happen after the new update though don't quote me on that. I am on here all the time and I know NOTHING about main site happenings. I hope Neer decides to change that so that communication is better between staff and community.

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    I honestly only know of very little and I will admit it openly. I think the integration will happen after the new update though don't quote me on that. I am on here all the time and I know NOTHING about main site happenings. I hope Neer decides to change that so that communication is better between staff and community.
    Well that actually explains a lot about Cerb not being able to fully explain the login errors that happened a lil while ago
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    Well that actually explains a lot about Cerb not being able to fully explain the login errors that happened a lil while ago
    I didn't know you guys knew so little about the mainsite
    I only know of the main site by what leaks over here through drama that people bring. I have no contact with the admins or staff there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit View Post
    I honestly only know of very little and I will admit it openly. I think the integration will happen after the new update though don't quote me on that. I am on here all the time and I know NOTHING about main site happenings. I hope Neer decides to change that so that communication is better between staff and community.
    Ok, thanks for that. I find that unfortunate since I was under the impression that the forums/mainsite staff were separate so that each set of staff could focus on their area and that the forums staff were kept in the loop so they could handle most of the communication on the forums. As Clayton said, I didn't realize that information about what is going on the main site is so hard to come by.

    I don't really see why the forums staff shouldn't have access to whatever communication channels (forums, IRC, etc) the admins have access to, so that they can know what is going on and communicate more effectively on the forums, can fwd. input/concerns/etc from people on the forums, can discuss things with admins and can see admins working and have input into the direction and running of the site if they have an eye to becoming a main site staff member.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aden
    I've been distant from the community's happenings for the past couple of weeks (I pop in here a few times a day to make some stupid posts and handle some reports) due to a big remodeling project, so I am the wrong guy to ask. Not like the lesser forum staff gets much of the "inside scoop" anyway.
    All right, again, TY for that. As previously said, not good that people are not getting information. :<

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    I only know of the main site by what leaks over here through drama that people bring. I have no contact with the admins or staff there.
    Gosh, that really is poor. Does the 'war room' forum still exist? IIRC that was made in 2008 specifically for all main-site and forums staff to have some central communication hub and input into things.
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    We have access to IRC but that does not guarantee that other admins are on IRC at the same time you are. The problem is thats pretty much the only communication that goes on. Chatzilla is all I can use for free considering my mac and Snak cost money which I am NOT going to pay- and for some reason firefox freezes up on me so much it became a pain to use IRC. There is some info but it is harder for some of us to access. FAF and FA mods do have access to the mod IRC but again it is hard for me to use so I know nothing.

    And we have access to forum section here about FA but there is almost nothing going on or it isn't updated much.

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    The only thing I really know about the mainsite admins are there are some that see the forums in a negative light. The only other info I've seen mods get is when some nasty drama goes down on main side and could leak here so sometimes, rarely, we get a heads up that someone was a dick and might be mad they were banned.
    I dunno why we know so little on this side. I could understand the new mods not having anything to do with mainside as we're still being tested, but it bothers me that a lot of the older smods get nothing.

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