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    Quote Originally Posted by CannonFodder View Post
    Okay.
    It's just annoying cause thoron has been told WAY over a dozen times the custom thumbnail size is coming out later this week and he still doesn't know.
    We've also been told gallery folders are coming soon
    and content filtering
    and a new UI
    and some commission ratings feature
    and a fixed bbcode parser
    and web hosting
    and a comment system that doesn't suck
    and a better support system
    and more coding staff
    and on demand printing
    and better support for written works
    and much more

    all at some point said to be coming RealSoonNow.

    Is it any wonder people might not even notice when FA say they're going to do something anymore? I really wouldn't be shocked if a year from now this still isn't fixed.
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    Is it any wonder people might not even notice when FA say they're going to do something anymore? I really wouldn't be shocked if a year from now this still isn't fixed.
    I don't understand how this could be seen to be constructive in any light. It just seems like a prediction based in cynicism that's ignoring changes that are rather obviously being made. Did you not notice, or is this intentionally solely an inflammatory post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannonFodder View Post
    Letting furries bypass blocks against furries they dislike by simply sending a note is a very good idea. After all it's not like the admins are constantly being bombarded with "harassment" tickets. After all why would someone ever think reducing the workload on staff to get tickets solved faster is a good idea?
    If furry A has blocked furry B, trying to get around that by sending them an FA note does not work. You still get a message saying that you can't send that user a note because you're on their block list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudchaser View Post
    If furry A has blocked furry B, trying to get around that by sending them an FA note does not work. You still get a message saying that you can't send that user a note because you're on their block list.
    it was a glitch in the past, I would say before the updated block feature that even if you were blocked you could still send notes to the one who blocked you


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    Quote Originally Posted by CannonFodder View Post
    Letting furries bypass blocks against furries they dislike by simply sending a note is a very good idea. After all it's not like the admins are constantly being bombarded with "harassment" tickets. After all why would someone ever think reducing the workload on staff to get tickets solved faster is a good idea?
    I don't know about that. I've tried to send notes when I've been blocked and while I could write the note down on the notes page and such the moment I hit send I would be informed that the note could not be sent.

    Also, as far I know the block list is limited to 20 blocks at the moment, and as far as I'm concerned if you use up that list to block harrassing users, you might have done something to deserve it. But this isn't always the case since some well known artists simply get trolled, a good compromise would be to have it set up so that if the block list becomes full the option to turn off the notes system would then become available. I don't know if this is possible though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thoron View Post
    I don't know about that. I've tried to send notes when I've been blocked and while I could write the note down on the notes page and such the moment I hit send I would be informed that the note could not be sent.

    Also, as far I know the block list is limited to 20 blocks at the moment, and as far as I'm concerned if you use up that list to block harrassing users, you might have done something to deserve it. But this isn't always the case since some well known artists simply get trolled, a good compromise would be to have it set up so that if the block list becomes full the option to turn off the notes system would then become available. I don't know if this is possible though.
    Before you could bypass the block in the notes. Making it harder to get through a block is such a bad idea, don't you agree? After all who in their right mind would fix a known problem with the site?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thoron View Post
    I don't know about that. I've tried to send notes when I've been blocked and while I could write the note down on the notes page and such the moment I hit send I would be informed that the note could not be sent.

    Also, as far I know the block list is limited to 20 blocks at the moment, and as far as I'm concerned if you use up that list to block harrassing users, you might have done something to deserve it. But this isn't always the case since some well known artists simply get trolled, a good compromise would be to have it set up so that if the block list becomes full the option to turn off the notes system would then become available. I don't know if this is possible though.
    I don't believe there is a limit to the amount of blocks, actually. That said, there are some issues with blocking we're aware of that we're trying to fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannonFodder View Post
    Before you could bypass the block in the notes. Making it harder to get through a block is such a bad idea, don't you agree? After all who in their right mind would fix a known problem with the site?
    I was blocked by a friend for a week cause I pissed him off and I only found out I was blocked when I tried to send a note. I tried to comment, leave shouts and nothing worked. I even tried contacting him through past notes as a responce to that and it still wouldn't let send anything. As far as I can tell, there is no current bug, but then I haven't been blocked in ages. The option of disabling notes is more of a bandaid than a fix. If there is a bug that allows notes through inspite of being on the block list, then that bug needs to be fixed. Then if say your being harrassed and the number of accounts you've blocked exceeds a certain number then the disable option would become available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    I don't believe there is a limit to the amount of blocks, actually. That said, there are some issues with blocking we're aware of that we're trying to fix.
    I heard there was, but that was a year or two ago. I'm a little out of date on that since I've never had to block anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    I don't believe there is a limit to the amount of blocks, actually. That said, there are some issues with blocking we're aware of that we're trying to fix.
    On the subject of fixing, I'm just wondering but was the XSS exploit on the commissions page ever fixed or are we expecting that on the new UI/Latter updates?
    Not complaining, just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoron View Post
    I was blocked by a friend for a week cause I pissed him off and I only found out I was blocked when I tried to send a note. I tried to comment, leave shouts and nothing worked. I even tried contacting him through past notes as a responce to that and it still wouldn't let send anything. As far as I can tell, there is no current bug, but then I haven't been blocked in ages. The option of disabling notes is more of a bandaid than a fix. If there is a bug that allows notes through inspite of being on the block list, then that bug needs to be fixed. Then if say your being harrassed and the number of accounts you've blocked exceeds a certain number then the disable option would become available.
    It was a bug where if you sent a message to someone that blocked you and while it was going through sent the same note through there was a chance of it going through anyhow. The bug is easier to place a "bandaid" on it than fix it. There's a massive number of bugs with the site, fortunately most of them aren't that big. To use a analogy Fa's code is like a tower of duct-tape trying to hold in water. It sounds easy to just go "well why don't the coders just fix it" when in reality the whole site needs serious work. I've had a debate with accountability and other regulars that the best option would be to restart from scratch and make a new UI from the ground up, like what eevee was doing, but considering the shit storm that would cause I can see why they'd rather fix the site.

    Think about it this way as someone who doesn't know much about coding, if tomorrow they rolled out the new UI and everything would you be upset? Chances are there'd be a level five shitstorm. I'd be hard for yak to explain why it'd be better cause unless someone has a background in html and css they wouldn't understand. It'd be like trying to explain how to repair a car to someone who has never worked on a car. Sure they'd catch on eventually, but imagine the person having to explain simultaneously to several thousand people.

    It's been stated by several other people in the thread multiple times, "well if it's not broke why fix it". What has been proposed in this thread numerous times by people upset with the update is treating the symptom, not treating the cause.

    So I'll just summarize what known problems this can fix in the future. The removal of the news section and instead having it as announcements reduces the chances of a fuckup with the artwork, writing, and music section. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but sometimes when coding if you have a table to the left and one to the right the float can go wonky. By that I mean it's possible that the artwork area could have overlapped the news section by accident. It sounds like that'd be easy to fix, but sometimes it is and some times it's not. I once went TWO hours tearing throw my coding trying to find a single problem. TWO hours just to find one little bug and in the end it turned out to be a typo in my code. What is worse is the misspelling of the word is so common that normally your eyes glance over it. If there is a bug with the table it won't be noticeable and even if there is one there'd be no reason to give a care really.

    Having the thumbnails on the same server quite frankly makes it far easier and less likely for a error that you'd wind up tearing through your code trying to find out why it's not linking properly. You'd think the older system would be better, not for a computer as a computer does not compute like a person.

    Half of these updates are fixing fundamental problems with the site and the other half seem as to be for future things, like the hide favorites or such.


    Tl:dr; half of the updates will make it easier to fix problems and the other half seem to be for future updates.

    So really would you rather them focus on giving what people want by just adding more duct tape to the site or making it easier to update in the long run?
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    I don't understand how this could be seen to be constructive in any light. It just seems like a prediction based in cynicism that's ignoring changes that are rather obviously being made. Did you not notice, or is this intentionally solely an inflammatory post?
    My point was that FA has frequently in the past insisted that "Oh yeah we're working on that and it's going to be ready very soon!" when asked about a feature.

    There are dozens of instances of this. Here in July 2010 they say they'll let you add Livestream usernames "in our next update". Right in the same journal "Fender" says the online indicator was removed until an opt-out is ready. At this point there's probably hundreds of "Oh yeah we're working on that!" replies to feature requests scattered over the site.

    I'm not saying "They're totally not doing it" but it wouldn't surprise me. People repeatedly asking about it is likely a good thing because it will keep reminding the administration that they have to do it. We've seen that they can add things in mere hours (the Viglink opt-out) when there's a strong demand, but when left to their own devices it seems things never get done.

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    lol are they even considering bringing that back? They removed it from the interface a while ago.
    The page doesn't work, but the navbar element still exists in the userpage source code.

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    So I'll just summarize what known problems this can fix in the future. The removal of the news section and instead having it as announcements reduces the chances of a fuckup with the artwork, writing, and music section. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but sometimes when coding if you have a table to the left and one to the right the float can go wonky. By that I mean it's possible that the artwork area could have overlapped the news section by accident..
    uh what
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    My point was that FA has frequently in the past insisted that "Oh yeah we're working on that and it's going to be ready very soon!" when asked about a feature.

    There are dozens of instances of this. Here in July 2010 they say they'll let you add Livestream usernames "in our next update". Right in the same journal "Fender" says the online indicator was removed until an opt-out is ready. At this point there's probably hundreds of "Oh yeah we're working on that!" replies to feature requests scattered over the site.

    I'm not saying "They're totally not doing it" but it wouldn't surprise me. People repeatedly asking about it is likely a good thing because it will keep reminding the administration that they have to do it. We've seen that they can add things in mere hours (the Viglink opt-out) when there's a strong demand, but when left to their own devices it seems things never get done.
    But then you're restating known facts. This isn't a thread full of the uninformed; so, what exactly are you proposing?

    It seems blasé to the point of questionability to bring up a history of nonactivity, in a period that could already well be defined as the single biggest change FA has ever gone through.
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    My point was that FA has frequently in the past insisted that "Oh yeah we're working on that and it's going to be ready very soon!" when asked about a feature.

    There are dozens of instances of this. Here in July 2010 they say they'll let you add Livestream usernames "in our next update". Right in the same journal "Fender" says the online indicator was removed until an opt-out is ready. At this point there's probably hundreds of "Oh yeah we're working on that!" replies to feature requests scattered over the site.

    I'm not saying "They're totally not doing it" but it wouldn't surprise me. People repeatedly asking about it is likely a good thing because it will keep reminding the administration that they have to do it. We've seen that they can add things in mere hours (the Viglink opt-out) when there's a strong demand, but when left to their own devices it seems things never get done.



    The page doesn't work, but the navbar element still exists in the userpage source code.
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    adding a livestream section to your profile doesn't seem like too much work
    Yeeeaahhhh.... about that the so called "easy" solution would be to make something like how you submit journals or submissions that would pop up in your inbox and would expire after a couple hours.
    What you are imagining would go about as well as the commission tab.
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    thanks for the cool html and css advice here cannonfodder, it's really good of you. are you qualified on the matter though?

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    thanks for the cool html and css advice here cannonfodder, it's really good of you. are you qualified on the matter though?
    ...okay
    Actually even though logically you wouldn't think my degree plan would require you to learn html or css, but for the portfolio development next semester I'm going to have to create a website for my portfolio in which I could log onto and post my latest projects and have at the very least a form that they can fill out and email me directly and I can't very much do that without at least some knowledge about how to make it. The reason why it was added to the course schedule two semesters ago was that the graduating students were just putting their stuff up on facebook/deviantart/tumblr and... well... let's just say they were having trouble getting hired and the last thing my college wanted was to wind up getting a bad name for low employment of graduating students. So they just crammed two web design classes onto my course and well now I'm stuck learning the basics at least.

    Tl:dr; I've been stuck with two website development classes cause my college didn't want to look bad. So I at least know the basics. I can't do java or such, but it's enough.
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    This isn't obvious from the answers given so far:

    Will previously uploaded custom thumbnails that currently don't work in galleries, scraps and inbox be made to work there again? Or do we have to upload new ones at some point?

    (I sometimes use custom thumbnails as to not give away a joke picture or comic in advance, and that's ruined now. I know it's a minor thing in the grand scheme of furry porn, I mean art, but it's rather a downer when the punchline to a joke, as it were, is given away in advance by merely looking at the thumbnail.)
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    Some of this thread looks like a really bad high school debate team. :/ It's just that some comments that may look like support for the site hurt more than help, than other comments that are meant to criticize have little basis or support.
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    Some of this thread looks like a really bad high school debate team. :/
    And that is why it's fun.
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    Some of this thread looks like a really bad high school debate team. :/
    On a site this poorly moderated, did you really expect anything better from the userbase?

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    On a site this poorly moderated, did you really expect anything better from the userbase?
    Why would the mods need to waste time moderating user discussions? I mean, this isn't a test. We won't be getting a grade at the end of the thread. There is no prize money for 'winning' a thread.

    The userbase is full of kids still in high school, adults who never finished, college students, college graduates, unemployed, people with long careers, managers, office workers, assembly line workers, construction workers, even artists! There will be as many viewpoints as people, and probably more since opinions will change from the chaos that goes on.

    "The Internet" is not some evil monster. "The Userbase" is not some horrible thing to shun. The internet and the userbase are us. It's just people, and we have been arguing and insulting each other since there were words to do so with.

    Would it be nice if everyone was polite and spoke logically and calmly and rationally? Sure. Should we all try and do so? Of course! Will it ever happen? Nope. Still worth trying though.

    Just remember, whenever you see someone acting immature.. that was you (insert as many years as needed) ago. (With exceptions of course, some people really are just morons)

    Anyway! Does the beta site still exist, and if not, why? Springing changes on however many tens of thousands of users FA has without getting their input first is going to cause a lot of drama. SoFurry 2.0 has some serious issues but there were some REAL clunkers in teh beta that got removed due to people pointing out how dumb they were. Without a beta you can't really know if what you are doing is going to be a success or a huge pile of garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonTalon View Post
    Anyway! Does the beta site still exist, and if not, why? Springing changes on however many tens of thousands of users FA has without getting their input first is going to cause a lot of drama. SoFurry 2.0 has some serious issues but there were some REAL clunkers in teh beta that got removed due to people pointing out how dumb they were. Without a beta you can't really know if what you are doing is going to be a success or a huge pile of garbage.
    They never really intended on showing off the betas to begin with. Yak showed off one in IRC once a long time ago and Summercat accidentally linked to the navbar one. Now the navbar beta is passworded for no apparent reason other than "people might see it", I guess.

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    Why would the mods need to waste time moderating user discussions? I mean, this isn't a test. We won't be getting a grade at the end of the thread.
    It's called a joke. I may have well just asked "Did you really expect anything better from the internet?" Same question, just worded differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devious Bane View Post
    It's called a joke. I may have well just asked "Did you really expect anything better from the internet?" Same question, just worded differently.
    That's what smileys are for. Can't always tell the difference between someone being funny and someone being stupid in a single sentence.

    I hate wasting a good rant!
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    I said it was a joke, I didn't say it was meant to be funny.

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    Umm...I skipped like dozen of pages and the comment seemingly changed from issue of FA site design...to...somethings? O.o
    Is it too late to say I *luv* the new thumbnail size? It's finally big enough for me to see what they are, without having to peer at a 1 feet range from the screen...

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