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OssumPawesome

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Tally said:
Why would I give up nomnonoming on meat when the animals are still going to get killed?

Although the way they treat those animals (Kentucky Fried Cruelty video anyone?) should be changed big time.
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Collectively reducing meat consumption is the only thing that will prevent them from slaughtering more for meat. They amount of cows slaughtered is directly related to the demand for beef.

Thatch said:
Hydrogen sulphide.

It's bad :V
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Sorry. I'm not a fart scientist 8C
 
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Jelly

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Xile said:
I personally think that being a vegetarian wastes away an enormous part of the "Food Pyramid" of all the things you need to eat; but in some cases, people just can't eat meat.
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you can replace animal foods with a nice choice of plant-based foods
so i dont rea
 
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Jelly

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Xile said:
I think it's guilt of eating live creatures, but the ones we eat were meant to be food! @Jelly you can never truly replace the empty whole of meats in your diet.
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1. durr
2. yes you can
 
Kommodore

Kommodore

well what is it?
Xile said:
2. No you can't, I mean you REALLY can't, meat is meat.
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Meat is made of protein, which is made up of amino acids, which is what your body needs, and there are only 20 of them (you use).

Different plants have different amino acids, but none of them would have them all like meat does.

If you make sure your diet has a wide enough variety of plants to give you all the amino acids, you can do without meat entirely.
 
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Jelly

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Kommodore said:
Meat is made of protein, which is made up of amino acids, which is what your body needs, and there are only 20 of them (you use).

Different plants have different amino acids, but none of them would have them all like meat does.

If you make sure your diet has a wide enough variety of plants to give you all the amino acids, you can do without meat entirely.
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soybeans, quinoa, and spirulina are also considered complete proteins
 
Kommodore

Kommodore

well what is it?
Jelly said:
soybeans, quinoa, and spirulina are also considered complete proteins
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wwiikkii said:
The gold standard for measuring protein quality, since 1990, is the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS) and by this criterion soy protein is the nutritional equivalent of meat, eggs, and casein for human growth and health. Soybean protein isolate has a biological value of 74, whole soybeans 96, soybean milk 91, and eggs 97.
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Well there you go then. Perfectly adequate substitute. However:

[QUOTE="]A complete protein (or whole protein) is a source of protein that contains an adequate proportion of all of the essential amino acids for the dietary needs of humans or other animals.[/QUOTE]

So it does not cover the whole spectrum and leaves out trace amino acids. Which is okay I guess, because they are trace. You would probs get enough of them from anything else you eat but I would assume that even if it is a source of "complete protein," you would not meet all of you protein needs if you ate soy or the like by itself.

But that is just an academic observation. In practicality it is complete enough.
 
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Kit H. Ruppell

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Tewin Follow

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Hey, I was going to make a thread about being a veggiefriend. GRR.

I don't know. I so very support British farming, and that it keeps rare animals on the planet. And tradition and that farming protects the countryside and so on.

But I have chickens, I've had a pig. There are sheep and cattle I see every day. They do have personalities. And probably wouldn't want to be food if they understood.

D:
 
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Jelly

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Kommodore said:
So it does not cover the whole spectrum and leaves out trace amino acids. Which is okay I guess, because they are trace. You would probs get enough of them from anything else you eat but I would assume that even if it is a source of "complete protein," you would not meet all of you protein needs if you ate soy or the like by itself.

But that is just an academic observation. In practicality it is complete enough.
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Yeah, its one that most vegans echo (that's why I used the word "considered," since the FDA/USDA is usually cool with it and we were discussing the food pyramid). Like you pointed out, though, it doesn't go much further than an academic observation because most people don't susbsist solely on soybeans, etc.

The biggest issues in nutrition usually come with veganism. Since you remove the B12 from eggs and dairy, which is a concern. The only way to reduce this issue is through nutritional yeast or food rich supplements.
Raw vegans like to think that you'd get adequate B12 from the bacteria on uncooked foods, but yeah
that's not really the case.

I actually like using nutritional yeast in food, though. It has some interesting applications.
Also, flax seed oil can be used to replace cod liver oil, if you're a foodie jerk ! !
 
Oovie

Oovie

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Xile said:
I think it's guilt of eating live creatures, but the ones we eat were meant to be food! @Jelly you can never truly replace the empty whole of meats in your diet.
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For me it isn't guilt, cows are undoubtedly moronic, and the same can go for a lot more creatures. More so I follow how my stomach reacts to what I put into it.

I've never been good at stomaching any meat other than fish, they all generally send me to the bathroom in pain within the day. Red meats especially had the worst affect on me, would have me bum rushing the restroom in less than 15 minutes! Which really doesn't surprise me when you think of how animals are raised nowadays, all the hormones or ghastly things fed to them to keep up with the demand. I'm convinced they have some hand in creating those intestinal plumbing problems I used to live with till about twenty years old.

I'm big on eggs and dairy, I especially love how soy so easily takes on the tastes of other foods! Mouth fulls of nuts too (hur hur)! I still eat fish, uncommonly however, and with due time I might stop it all together. It's more of an alienation thing for me right now around new friends as it's very hard to pick a restaurant, otherwise I find fish is quite the healthy meat. No surprise I stomach it every time I eat it.

Jelly said:
Also, flax seed oil can be used to replace cod liver oil, if you're a foodie jerk ! !
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I did not know that, I actually have a flask of cod liver oil in the fridge and flax seed as well that I take.
 
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Kommodore

Kommodore

well what is it?
Jelly said:
The biggest issues in nutrition usually come with veganism. Since you remove the B12 from eggs and dairy, which is a concern. The only way to reduce this issue is through nutritional yeast or food rich supplements.
Raw vegans like to think that you'd get adequate B12 from the bacteria on uncooked foods, but yeah
that's not really the case.
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Yeah from what I understand B12 is the only substance you can only get in large quantities from animal products. But the thing is, modern food is usually fortified with it anyway. Breads and cereals and the like are fortified with it and while I am sure the absorption isn't as good as it is with animal products, that shouldn't matter if you get enough. And there are always multivitamin supplements, so yeah.

Also, flax seed oil can be used to replace cod liver oil, if you're a foodie jerk ! !
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Vegan even with the peelz? That is some dedication :)
 
Atrak

Atrak

Psychological Egoist.
I'm the real veggiepal, because I don't eat veggies. I just eat veggie-eating animals all day, thereby saving the lives of countless plants. You other veggiepals just wait until the veggies trust you, and then you harvest them. Barbarians.
 
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Icen

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More veg*ns to join us! :D
 
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Icen

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gdzeek said:
I find it funny that most vegetarian fursonas i see I carnivorous predatorial animals in nature, lol
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Lol you know what's cool about fursonas? Is they have HUMAN ATTRIBUTES.

Like hands. And legs. And human-working brains with human intellect.
 
Kommodore

Kommodore

well what is it?
Icen said:
Lol you know what's cool about fursonas? Is they have HUMAN ATTRIBUTES.

Like hands. And legs. And human-working brains with human intellect.
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Yeah but if you were an obligate carnivore, you really couldn't "choose" not to eat meat. Humans can get away with it because they can get nutrients from both, but strict herbivores or carnivores don't have the luxury of choosing.

But I suppose you can just ignore that detail with all the other biological thingies.
 
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