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5/17 Site Attack

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RileySockfoxy

RileySockfoxy

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Just wanna say, I appreciate you guys doing all you can to get things back up and running. I have one question: Have there been instances of accounts being completely wiped from the site? I rely on FurAffinity for commissions, so if my account has been deleted, it'd be a fatal setback for my artwork.

Keep up the good work. Hopefully this attack didn't cause too many issues!

-Kaio
 
AliothFox

AliothFox

That High-Flyin' Foxy
Bambous_Visu said:
Just like all of those subs coming back to WoW, huh? :)
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Never said anyone was coming back to WoW, since I'm too busy to play it. Just a general observation I've made in my time here. Divas get up in arms, leave the site and make a big stink about it, and then they realize that no one's buying their art/roleplaying with them anymore, so they come back. The funny thing about analogies is that they have to compare two things that are alike, or at least similar. WoW and FA are nothing alike.
 
Bourbon.

Bourbon.

Member
Bambous_Visu said:
Congratulations! That's the most ignorant thing in the thread!

"FA continues and will continue to be the central hub of furry art because the community is so large and people are loyal."
"because the community is so large and people are loyal."
Literally: Too Big To Fail

That's like saying : ""WoW continues and will continue to be the central hub of online gaming because the community is so large and people are loyal.""
When:
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So, Like people leaving for MOBAs and other less casual mmos.
People are leaving for Weasyl/Inkbunny/Sofurry
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There are viable alternatives to WoW, and even WoW continues to maintain a core demographic.

FA lacks any kind of viable alternative that can actually compete with the site. No one said that FA is too big to fail, but it doesn't have any actual marketable competitors who have the same draws or offer anything substantially different or better than FA. Weasyl is a ghost town, people barely pay attention to SoFurry, FurryNetwork is in closed beta and repeating the mistakes Weasyl made, Inkbunny has it's reputation as a haven for cub porn, and deviantArt doesn't allow porn at all. So long as there is no viable competition for FA, FA will remain as the main hub.

That's why people who "leave FA 4ever" return within weeks or months.
 
Krayne

Krayne

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I just had to sign up for the forums to say this (I'm an FA artist who'se only current income is from commissions.)

Dragoneer mentioned the source code was distributed at a convention.
Right now I'm in Las Vegas and at the Mandalay bay casino (we went there for the shark reef) there is a hacker convention going on right now. It's called "hack-a-thon" I think. I thought it would be a white hat convention but now I'm not so sure. Do you think it could be THIS convention where the hack started, or was distributed?
If so, should I go there and investigate?

Also many people asked for a motive for the hack. Here's one: religious fundamentalism. The worlds biggest religions (Christianity and Islam) frown on any kind of animism or gay sex or any kind of fun in general. So I won't make any assumptions but that is a big enough reason to devote time and resources to destroying a site such as ours. Probably NOT the reason, but a distinct possibility.
 
AliothFox

AliothFox

That High-Flyin' Foxy
Bourbon. said:
There are viable alternatives to WoW, and even WoW continues to maintain a core demographic.

FA lacks any kind of viable alternative that can actually compete with the site. No one said that FA is too big to fail, but it doesn't have any actual marketable competitors who have the same draws or offer anything substantially different or better than FA. Weasyl is a ghost town, people barely pay attention to SoFurry, FurryNetwork is in closed beta and repeating the mistakes Weasyl made, Inkbunny has it's reputation as a haven for cub porn, and deviantArt doesn't allow porn at all. So long as there is no viable competition for FA, FA will remain as the main hub.

That's why people who "leave FA 4ever" return within weeks or months.
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The reason FurryNetwork and Weasyl are ultimately untenable is because they only thrive on FA's misfortune. Perhaps not intentionally (not casting aspersions at either site, just making an observation), but with a few exceptions, those two sites are just the "where I go when FA is down" sites. And that obviously isn't a winning business model.
 
Bourbon.

Bourbon.

Member
Krayne said:
I just had to sign up for the forums to say this (I'm an FA artist who'se only current income is from commissions.)

Dragoneer mentioned the source code was distributed at a convention.
Right now I'm in Las Vegas and at the Mandalay bay casino (we went there for the shark reef) there is a hacker convention going on right now. It's called "hack-a-thon" I think. I thought it would be a white hat convention but now I'm not so sure. Do you think it could be THIS convention where the hack started, or was distributed?
If so, should I go there and investigate?

Also many people asked for a motive for the hack. Here's one: religious fundamentalism. The worlds biggest religions (Christianity and Islam) frown on any kind of animism or gay sex or any kind of fun in general. So I won't make any assumptions but that is a big enough reason to devote time and resources to destroying a site such as ours. Probably NOT the reason, but a distinct possibility.
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No, it was distributed at a furry convention called BLFC.
 
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Stev0

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I'd say just enjoy the day, go find some fresh air, breathe in that fresh air, and relax :). That's my opinion. I read how the admin is handling the situation and it seems like they got things covered, the damage was minimal at best. Yes crappy that we may have lost some data MAYBE. I hope that the individuals involved are found, and persecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
xTwilightStarx

xTwilightStarx

A polished turd.
Looking at the most recent updates to the site outage thread, I'd say people got waaaay too worried way too fast.
They know what they're doing.
 
AliothFox

AliothFox

That High-Flyin' Foxy
Krayne said:
I just had to sign up for the forums to say this (I'm an FA artist who'se only current income is from commissions.)

Dragoneer mentioned the source code was distributed at a convention.
Right now I'm in Las Vegas and at the Mandalay bay casino (we went there for the shark reef) there is a hacker convention going on right now. It's called "hack-a-thon" I think. I thought it would be a white hat convention but now I'm not so sure. Do you think it could be THIS convention where the hack started, or was distributed?
If so, should I go there and investigate?

Also many people asked for a motive for the hack. Here's one: religious fundamentalism. The worlds biggest religions (Christianity and Islam) frown on any kind of animism or gay sex or any kind of fun in general. So I won't make any assumptions but that is a big enough reason to devote time and resources to destroying a site such as ours. Probably NOT the reason, but a distinct possibility.
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The code was distributed at BLFC... which *is* actually in Nevada, so who knows. You may have something there. To be honest, I think the religious fundamentalism motive is a teency bit of a stretch, as that's not a fundamentalist's typical MO. If that had been a motive, someone would likely have CLAIMED responsibility, and so far, that hasn't happened. Certainly it's possible, but that just seems a little far-fetched to me.

Love your art by the way, Krayne.
 
Samandriel Morningstar

Samandriel Morningstar

The Morningstar
mshy said:
I'm hoping i don't have to restore EVERYTHING I UPLOADED...
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Something was already mentioned that anything after the 11th would be lost but anything before then that would be fine.
I know there's a lot of crap to wade through in this topic but try your best to weed out the information you're seeking before posting.
 
RileySockfoxy

RileySockfoxy

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Bourbon. said:
There are viable alternatives to WoW, and even WoW continues to maintain a core demographic.

FA lacks any kind of viable alternative that can actually compete with the site. No one said that FA is too big to fail, but it doesn't have any actual marketable competitors who have the same draws or offer anything substantially different or better than FA. Weasyl is a ghost town, people barely pay attention to SoFurry, FurryNetwork is in closed beta and repeating the mistakes Weasyl made, Inkbunny has it's reputation as a haven for cub porn, and deviantArt doesn't allow porn at all. So long as there is no viable competition for FA, FA will remain as the main hub.

That's why people who "leave FA 4ever" return within weeks or months.
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I do agree that FurAffinity, being that it's been the central hub for tens of thousands of furs, will always be the way it is. Which is good! However, I don't know if it's proper to talk about some of the smaller, less popular, or fetish specific sites in a negative manner. I mean, what you're saying is true, but the smaller sites are just trying to find some kind of success, just as FA has attained. InkBunny, well... Everyone has their niche. I don't think it fair to judge, even though I'm against cub, personally.

I was hearing something about a big site coming soon... Not entirely sure what it's gonna be like, and I don't even know what it's going to be called, but... I'm intrigued.

I do agree though. FurAffinity has been, and always will be, the biggest hub.
 
Bourbon.

Bourbon.

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RileySockfoxy said:
I do agree that FurAffinity, being that it's been the central hub for tens of thousands of furs, will always be the way it is. Which is good! However, I don't know if it's proper to talk about some of the smaller, less popular, or fetish specific sites in a negative manner. I mean, what you're saying is true, but the smaller sites are just trying to find some kind of success, just as FA has attained. InkBunny, well... Everyone has their niche. I don't think it fair to judge, even though I'm against cub, personally.

I was hearing something about a big site coming soon... Not entirely sure what it's gonna be like, and I don't even know what it's going to be called, but... I'm intrigued.

I do agree though. FurAffinity has been, and always will be, the biggest hub.
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You're sounding a little defensive. It's not my place to judge people on their fetishes, but for a lot of people a site allowing cub porn at all is a huge problem (especially with it being illegal in many countries including Canada, Australia, and the UK). With IB having primarily a cub related demographic, it turns a lot of people off.

There's always some "new big site" coming up that promises to be a game changer or to deliver better things than FA, but they inevitably fail or fall to the wayside.
 
Dragonley

Dragonley

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Well here's my problem. I've had my account for 2 years now and just before the site went down it logged me out and told me that my user doesn't exist. So far by what I've gathered you guys have only acknowledged that users created within the last 6 days were deleted.
Is the restore going to bring back old deleted users? Because so far it doesn't sound so.
 
AliothFox

AliothFox

That High-Flyin' Foxy
Dragonley said:
Well here's my problem. I've had my account for 2 years now and just before the site went down it logged me out and told me that my user doesn't exist. So far by what I've gathered you guys have only acknowledged that users within the last 6 days were deleted.
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If your account is 2 years old, it's in their backup, so they can restore it if it was deleted from the main site.
 
supersonicbros23

supersonicbros23

Appearance: unoriginal; Personality: out to lunch
Krayne said:
I just had to sign up for the forums to say this (I'm an FA artist who'se only current income is from commissions.)

Dragoneer mentioned the source code was distributed at a convention.
Right now I'm in Las Vegas and at the Mandalay bay casino (we went there for the shark reef) there is a hacker convention going on right now. It's called "hack-a-thon" I think. I thought it would be a white hat convention but now I'm not so sure. Do you think it could be THIS convention where the hack started, or was distributed?
If so, should I go there and investigate?

Also many people asked for a motive for the hack. Here's one: religious fundamentalism. The worlds biggest religions (Christianity and Islam) frown on any kind of animism or gay sex or any kind of fun in general. So I won't make any assumptions but that is a big enough reason to devote time and resources to destroying a site such as ours. Probably NOT the reason, but a distinct possibility.
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About as silly as my judgement is but we really could use someone to investigate that. Then again I don't know if its really worth it at this point.

...a hacker convention? Why wouldn't the police be monitoring that? I mean hackers can only be good right? Pfff.
Just for safe measure, it wouldn't hurt to stroll through there. Dunno much about conventions, they let almost anyone in right? For all we know theres probably a few fur-hackers out there who got word of it.
 
RileySockfoxy

RileySockfoxy

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Bourbon. said:
You're sounding a little defensive. It's not my place to judge people on their fetishes, but for a lot of people a site allowing cub porn at all is a huge problem (especially with it being illegal in many countries including Canada, Australia, and the UK). With IB having primarily a cub related demographic, it turns a lot of people off.

There's always some "new big site" coming up that promises to be a game changer or to deliver better things than FA, but they inevitably fail or fall to the wayside.
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Well, I wasn't trying to come off as defensive, only trying to make a point. After all, FurAffinity is the only site (aside from Twitter) that I post my artwork to. So wasn't trying to come off like that. Simply stating an opinion.

I suppose you're right, on the front of the new site thing. There always seems to be something up-and-coming, but it never quite takes off. Then again, to get a good reputation, you have to be around a long time. FA has been around for a looooong time.
 
Krayne

Krayne

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AliothFox said:
The code was distributed at BLFC... which *is* actually in Nevada, so who knows. You may have something there. To be honest, I think the religious fundamentalism motive is a teency bit of a stretch, as that's not a fundamentalist's typical MO. If that had been a motive, someone would likely have CLAIMED responsibility, and so far, that hasn't happened. Certainly it's possible, but that just seems a little far-fetched to me.

Love your art by the way, Krayne.
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Wow, thanks for the like! Yeah I agree it isn't the typical MO for extremists, but you never know, times are a changing.
What's BLFC?
 
Bourbon.

Bourbon.

Member
RileySockfoxy said:
Well, I wasn't trying to come off as defensive, only trying to make a point. After all, FurAffinity is the only site (aside from Twitter) that I post my artwork to. So wasn't trying to come off like that. Simply stating an opinion.

I suppose you're right, on the front of the new site thing. There always seems to be something up-and-coming, but it never quite takes off. Then again, to get a good reputation, you have to be around a long time. FA has been around for a looooong time.
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I wouldn't say that's the only reason. FA's reputation isn't spotless and the site has had security problems time after time after time. I think it's just that people don't want to lose their pageviews, their watchers, build a fresh start, manage multiple sites, etc. And people ARE loyal to FA. FA isn't some huge corporation, we know the faces of the people who run it. We can talk to any admin or Dragoneer one-on-one.

And then there's also the fact that most artists won't move if their watchers don't, and most watchers won't move as long as the artists stay. It's a catch 22 scenario.
 
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