You know the thing that irritates me the most is having to put admins on Elwood's page to keep the trolling out. This person acted stupid, is a liar, a thief and I hate how as admins we have to waste time using staff making sure the page isn't filled with troll shouts. At the same time I don't understand why people flood a user's page with shouts like that, thinking they're as important as comments on youtube. It's harassment and we have to stop it. But damn, what an unsightly job as an admin :/
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
But why does a page like that need to be moderated for troll shouts?
Surely when a user has made a fuck-up that big that they're getting flooded with troll shouts, it's their own problem, and let them be damned if they're getting any admin help to fix the boo-boo on their page.
Agreed.
This isn't just an off-site fuck-up.
This is a whole can of beans fuck-up.
Stolen identity aside, because after all, this is the 5th time JE has stolen someone else's pics and claimed to be the person in the pics, there is a major problem of commission theft, RIGHT HERE ON FA.
Admins should not be deleting page shouts of people demanding their money back. Admins SHOULD be deleting all the white knighting shouts as well as troll shouts IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
But then again, that would be the intelligent thing to do. Which, as we all know, cannot possibly be allowed.
Not quite, and I'm not saying this just for the JE case.
If someone fucks up bad enough, all the admin are doing is helping the person that made the mess avoid the consequences. I can understand if the mess was going to affect site stability, but I do believe that people should take the shit for their actions.
Exactly. Again guys, let's try to double-check our facts before making claims.
I honestly wouldn't mind if the admins deleted ALL shouts regarding DA, but it's bullshit that they're going through and only keeping up the "fuck ED" and asspat shouts.
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Actually, were it entirely up to me. I would just put up an admin notice saying anyone shouting from here on out or making replies to the page would receive an indefinite ban. I don't like the picking and choosing either. No shouts are appropriate on that page right now, sans page owner to explain himself. A ban threat would be better considering registration is closed at this time.
To me this is people's money so I understand. Most of this however is off-site. DA isn't responsible for people who don't own up to commissions either.
I noticed one thing though, and wonder if it may have been a reason for a ban. Deviantart, requires a legitimate model release for the type of photos posted. If the model in question didn't give a legitimate release, I would think that designates a permanent ban for fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
If Elwood actually did scam people on FA, doesn't that warrant him / her / it for being banned?
Or is none of the evidence for this kind of thing actually on FA?
Like I said, this is an outside manner even if it doesn't help FA's case that we have commission pages (in a sense good thing they're offline right now). DA is not responsible for you purchasing commissions from various artists on their site either. It's the same thing.
Yes I know there were cases users have been banned for some money issues but it's been VERY rare and the amount of fraud in those cases were rather gross.
The problem is I have no idea how much fraud he committed, because like I said it's mostly a private matter to commission someone.
Could take the dispute to paypal.
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
I have one question if anyone has had experience. How well does paypal handle disputes from people in different countries? I ask this because Elwood's account is in Mexico. I have done commissions with people overseas but never had disputes though. So if anyone has experience please share it would be interesting to know.
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
Same as they would in the same country.
When you buy or sell to a different country, the money is in your currency and is the equivalent of their currency based on exchange rates. I'd imagine they set it at the exchange rate when it went through, to save issues later.
But if you have an issue and ask for refunds, doesn't matter where they are. Provided of course Paypal find in your favour. And that the money is in their account.
Apparently I'm now on her "Block" list, for not letting my comment just be deleted. Said comment being:
"Blame who you will, it's not 4chan "Never forget" wrong, Google Pg1 images, no bragging off-DA about doing it, no warning, no gain, deviations still in storage (as in not deleted). Not 4chan raid material."
Hm, does anyone see any slights against JElwood there? Any at all? No? Hm, I wonder what about this post was so bad that it bore the necessity of being deleted multiple times. Let alone bad enough that it deserved blocking from further re-post.
Note that I don't even implicate JElwood there, not one direct implication that she did it on her own. All I said was "It's not the 'chans." No claim that she wasn't actually hacked, no claim that she did it herself to cover tracks, nada. And yet, seemingly, still enough to deserve a ban.
EDIT: Block, sorry. Replace the bolded with "Block".
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On Paypal, you have 45 days to dispute money issues. So all the people with 2-month/2-year commissions are officially screwed.
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Goes back to my reply about people unnecessarily responding on his page. I don't care if it's support, whiteknighting, or the truth. Just leave it alone. What's the point of shouting on the page other than to irritate or being irritating (because both sides are irritating)?
2 Months I can understand feeling screwed, 2 years... well both people are idiots in this case. Red flag for me was not being honest with the real name or even country of locale (yeah I can see Elwood's IP addresses so I already know the "Friend account" on FA taking in the paypal money was a sock puppet). This is in regards to money transactions. While you're not gonna really know the real name of people you paypal with until the transaction was done. My understanding was the account was a "Shuffle" account to send the money to him. That's another red flag. But again, it's a matter between him and his commissioners, but hopefully everyone gets a good "Buyer beware" lesson out of this.
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
Technically, all the responses (even those in support) are unnecessary as they're unproductive. Heck, they could technically be construed as detrimental as if people are going "4chan's head, 4chan's head!" when it wasn't 4chan that both leads to the actual hackers getting away as well as starting shit with 4chan that eradicates any prior tracks.
EDIT: Post is one big hypothetical that the account was actually hacked.
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
That's kind of in effect already. We can't outright ban discussion of other boards because it's ludicrous but don't expect us to defend you from them either.
My thoughts on the matter is no one told him years ago to say he was this hot girl from Cali and take camwhore/porn pics from another site and distribute them to artist friends.
That was him.
No one really would even care where he's really from either.
That was him that decided to make that info.
No one really told him or forced him to make the fake photography account that likely violated DA's policies.
That was also him.
No one told him to take on that many commissions he obviously wasn't prepared for.
That was also him.
He's an adult, he should deal with it.
So to me just as another person would prefer he lie in the own grave he dug for himself. However, as administrator we can't just let people go out of control and flood that users page. If we had a freeze account function when it came to shouts it would be great. Since we don't that's why I propose the "anyone who blabs about this on X user's page gets an indefinite ban" (Good luck trying to ban evade while registration is closed).
RE: If you could beat the crap out of any person alive or dead who'd it be?Originally Posted by Get-Dancing
Originally Posted by Rogue2
...but how is this new info? It's right there on the site as paypal's Resolution Center policy.
Yup, that's seems about right. And is even more proving of the theory that eldude is a dude. Create a fake paypal name and information for commissioners to pay, the name of which is female, and then simply transfer the funds from the front-account to his real account. If we could see the transfer records of where the money from his front-account is going to then we've got his real name and info.
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For the record, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/neocloud88h/ seems to be JE's main dude. Claims to be in contact with her/him/it. He seems to have some connection with Las Lindas and other Katbox stuff, so I went to register on their forums (as everything is hidden unless you join up). However, in the registration, I was faced with this:
And I really couldn't be fucked looking that shit up. Fuck it anyway, can't be bothered with INTARNET detectiving.How many acres of land are listed on page 2 of Las Lindas?:
What is the code on the plane on page 2 of Caribbean Blue?:
First word on page 2 of Tina of the South?:
Type ihatespam as the answer to this.:
[edit]Bored, so looked it all up. What a fucking stupid sign-up set of questions. Nothing at all. JE is a member on there, but no posts since june. Neocloud is also on there, but if he's been interacting with her, then it's all in PM. Dead end.[/edit]
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