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    Okay, so... uh, I just eff'd up. I double-posted a response, and went to delete my second post, selected the wrong option in vBulletin. Not very re-assuring, I know, but I'd rather be up front on it. Mistakes happen, and it wasn't meant in malice. I fess up.

    Yeah. Post -vs- thread. Don't do admin-related things right when you wake up.

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    Continue the conversation, derp-free. I wasn't trying to censor/cover that up. I just made an unfortunate booboo.
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    What are you talking about Dragoneer I mean you will burn in a thousand firey suns for your transgressions yes that is what I meant to say

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    is it not possible to just un-delete the thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirune View Post
    is it not possible to just un-delete the thread
    It is, but I didn't soft delete it. Was trying to remove the double post, and I eff'd up.
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    is it not possible to just un-delete the thread
    If you soft-delete, yes. If you accidentally hard-delete, no. The thread and it's associated posts get dropped from the database.
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    If you soft-delete, yes. If you accidentally hard-delete, no. The thread and it's associated posts get dropped from the database.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    Okay, so... uh, I just eff'd up. I double-posted a response, and went to delete my second post, selected the wrong option in vBulletin. Not very re-assuring, I know, but I'd rather be up front on it. Mistakes happen, and it wasn't meant in malice. I fess up.

    Yeah. Post -vs- thread. Don't do admin-related things right when you wake up.

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    Continue the conversation, derp-free. I wasn't trying to censor/cover that up. I just made an unfortunate booboo.
    I think this is just a thinly veiled attempt to reset my post count to 0! Censorships!1!one!

    Back to the topic at hand: Are you willing to add others to the coding staff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accountability View Post
    I think this is just a thinly veiled attempt to reset my post count to 0! Censorships!1!one!

    Back to the topic at hand: Are you willing to add others to the coding staff?
    Yes, and we also have in the past. Yak has a list of people to call upon to increase the site coding staff, and once we're ready, we're /going/ to call on them. Yak and I were discussing this before the entire issue came up recently, and were going over some finer details of what we need to do to push the site into the direction it needs to go.

    Edit: I take these issues seriously, I really do, to the point that I've been pushing things in some directions, though I can't talk about everything as plans are not solidified. "But that's no answer!". No, it's not. I'd love to give details now, but if I did, and things change, it'd be held over me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    Yes, and we also have in the past. Yak has a list of people to call upon to increase the site coding staff, and once we're ready, we're /going/ to call on them. Yak and I were discussing this before the entire issue came up recently, and were going over some finer details of what we need to do to push the site into the direction it needs to go.
    You've been saying this forEVER. You guys only ever manage to: A) bring on shitty coders that don't do anything or B) bring on shitty coders that write unsatisfactory code, so nothing gets done anyway.
    Either way, you're only bringing on more shitty coders.

    Edit: I take these issues seriously, I really do, to the point that I've been pushing things in some directions, though I can't talk about everything as plans are not solidified. "But that's no answer!". No, it's not. I'd love to give details now, but if I did, and things change, it'd be held over me.
    You NEVER talk about ANYTHING. It's always "plans are not solidified" or "we are working on it."
    It's just more of the same bull we've been getting for years.

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    Either way, you're only bringing on more shitty coders.
    Then you can thank certain previous other individuals who formerly worked for FA for telling all the good coders "We don't want you, GTFO!" and burning bridges without communicating to us. And some of those coders went on to make sites like Furocity and others, and we were never kept in loop about that due to certainly individuals who decided they wanted to do it all, and only themselves... and in the end, we discovered everything they EVER told on a coding standpoint is a lie.

    I'm not proud of that, not one bit. But it is what it is. It is NOT something I ever approved of, nor would have.

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    You NEVER talk about ANYTHING. It's always "plans are not solidified" or "we are working on it."
    It's just more of the same bull we've been getting for years.
    Because until I talk to the person and clear it with them, I don't want to speak out. I'll discuss it with them before I speak out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirune View Post
    You NEVER talk about ANYTHING. It's always "plans are not solidified" or "we are working on it."
    It's just more of the same bull we've been getting for years.
    Whoa, I think you need to chill. It's probably not the best idea to invoke the lack of presence of the staff in a thread Dragoneer just made an hour ago.
    Yes, FA/FAF doesn't get a lot of PR. Users treat the admins/mods like shit and I kind of understand honestly they're tired of it, although it gets annoying sometimes.
    But the fact alone Neer took time to address this issue, if not to fix it, but at least to remind us that there's still people out there who keep themselves in the know and actually "care" about the place is pretty cool.

    It's not getting fixed because I don't think there's a need to investigate all of that time and resources we don't have, for the moment. Our projects are never finished, or work like shit, because there aren't any fucking coders; it's not because someone has fun "picking" bad ones or whatever.


    The staff needs to talk more. The staff is sometimes wrong about some shit. But they do talk, and that's a huge step forward from nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisBlack View Post
    It's not getting fixed because I don't think there's a need to investigate all of that time and resources we don't have, for the moment. Our projects are never finished, or work like shit, because there aren't any fucking coders; it's not because someone has fun "picking" bad ones or whatever.
    And this right here is the one thing I'm trying to fix, in more ways than one. I just can't openly discuss it until the other parties agree that it can be discussed. And I was TRYING to fix this before this entire thing ever came up.

    People make the assumption I'm in some way happy with the way the current system is setup. I'm not.
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    Then you can thank certain previous other individuals who formerly worked for FA for telling all the good coders "We don't want you, GTFO!" and burning bridges without communicating to us. And some of those coders went on to make sites like Furocity and others, and we were never kept in loop about that due to certainly individuals who decided they wanted to do it all, and only themselves... and in the end, we discovered everything they EVER told on a coding standpoint is a lie.

    I'm not proud of that, not one bit. But it is what it is. It is NOT something I ever approved of, nor would have.


    Because until I talk to the person and clear it with them, I don't want to speak out. I'll discuss it with them before I speak out.
    Wow that sucks, and now you know and knowing is half the battle.
    So pretty much the reason for all these vulnerabilities is the previous coders who caused all this bs and treated the other good programmers terribly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirune View Post
    You NEVER talk about ANYTHING. It's always "plans are not solidified" or "we are working on it."
    It's just more of the same bull we've been getting for years.
    To be fair I could see why he'd do this on some subjects (The site redesign, for example). For the security issues, though, I think a bit more detail would be good.

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    still doesnt change that it took Eevee to do the damage that was considered no problem to make it a true problem

    it always seems to be the answer to wave something shiny in our face (ferrox), sadly some of us are going now "if this is a problem in this version, wouldn't these same issues exist in Ferrox?
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    dragoneer accidentally a thread. yes the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirune View Post
    You've been saying this forEVER. You guys only ever manage to: A) bring on shitty coders that don't do anything or B) bring on shitty coders that write unsatisfactory code, so nothing gets done anyway.
    Either way, you're only bringing on more shitty coders.
    And working out which coders are competant and know what they're doing, from which coders only know some things, but like to upsell to sound good.. which coders will be reliable and which ones will burn us, takes someone who know's what they're doing to vet them and find out. We've also been burned in the past by one individual who (as Dragoneer said) told all the other coders to GTFO, burning bridges, and in the end didn't do a damn thing. There are other examples I could give, but, I prefer to leave past events where they belong.
    If you try and see things from our perspective, we really are caught between a rock and a hard place, something that is being worked on so we can bring on people to help.

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    Wow that sucks, and now you know and knowing is half the battle.
    So pretty much the reason for all these vulnerabilities is the previous coders who caused all this bs and treated the other good programmers terribly?
    To an extent, yes. Since we're now more careful about who we provide access to, lest it bite us in the ass again. At least, this is my understanding of it. I wasn't personally around when all this drama went down but I have heard about it, and, I have heard the other side of it from fellow staff members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Accountability View Post
    To be fair I could see why he'd do this on some subjects (The site redesign, for example). For the security issues, though, I think a bit more detail would be good.
    This isn't how it's done in the software business, Microsoft doesn't publish a detailed list of all the security holes people find in it's software, until they have had time to confirm it, put a fix in place, test it and publish it. Then it's up to users to fix it and in the time between, users are vulnerable, and users and systems do get attacked.
    Generally, when you find a security issue, you report it, and you wait a month for them to fix it and test their fixes. If Microsoft found gaping holes in it's operating system why would they make those details public right away before they've had time to fix it?

    Oh, and fun fact, 'sniffing passwords' and 'sniffing sessions' affects hundreds of websites, and quite a large number of websites, forums, and community sites across the fandom. The reason being, is that very few, if any at all, use SSL for the logins, fewer still use SSL for the entire site. The fact that I know this, the fact that I don't trust public WiFi is why I either use my cellphone's data connection to get online at conventions, or, I use a secure connection when browsing sites.
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    Yeah, so finding who is reliable and who isn't.

    I suggested in the last thread having a number of coders. Put an ad up on the main site, easy enough. You'll probably get plenty of offers. Write up a list of what is needed for the site, split it up in to tasks, assign each coder one of those tasks. They submit it, whoever is coding now looks it over, makes relevant changes then adds it to the whole.

    It has to be quicker to proofread code and implement it than it is to write it all form scratch. If a coder submits shit code, drop them from the team. If nobody is playing with enough code to do damage, then deliberate exploits are more likely to be spotted, and if the proofreader is doing their job, it shouldn't get through anyway.

    Honestly, you have over half a million users on the main site. There has to be people there who know what they are doing and are trustworthy. Crying that you've been burnt before is no excuse. You know what can happen, so make sure it doesn't by learning from your mistakes.


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    Hey, should we fix our outstanding security holes?
    Nah, let's code a comment hide feature instead.

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    Would you ever consider making the current code publicly available?
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    Would you ever consider making the current code publicly available?
    once they developed something called "trust" again they probably will
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    Would you ever consider making the current code publicly available?
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    yak believes in security through obscurity
    Try asking deviantArt to make their current code publicly available, do see how far you get.
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