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    Alright here are my questions, and quite honestly i could care less how this goes either way, but as a fan of the original sonic comics and games, i have to say im curious, how would you effectively "age up" a character, in cannon sonic, the artwork differences between ages is sometimes as minute as adding a moustache to the character design [i may argue using the case of sonics uncle chuck as an example].

    And also, how would this pertain to say, characters that whose age is unidentifiable, be it through being called many different ages throughout their franchises, or just not really having a stated age.

    last question i would like to know about is Chibi art. on an extremly often basis, i see chibi art drawn, and while i dont feel like posting a definition of "chibi", i bet i could argue that a "chibified" character looks a lot like a child/cub/whatever you would like to call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion928 View Post
    Alright here are my questions, and quite honestly i could care less how this goes either way, but as a fan of the original sonic comics and games, i have to say im curious, how would you effectively "age up" a character, in cannon sonic, the artwork differences between ages is sometimes as minute as adding a moustache to the character design [i may argue using the case of sonics uncle chuck as an example].
    If you want to stick to the comic canon 100%, then there is no real effective way to "age" up the male characters. I'm sure you are aware that King 46 year old Sonic still looks like a 16 year old.
    If you are willing to alter your style a bit, then add human characteristics like "broader shoulders, shrink the head a bit, etc" so he doesn't have such a kiddish body... I suppose.

    And also, how would this pertain to say, characters that whose age is unidentifiable, be it through being called many different ages throughout their franchises, or just not really having a stated age.
    This would be a "gut feeling" type of scenario. If it screams "I'm a kid!" then it's red light. If they look reasonably like an adult to the general public, it's green light.


    last question i would like to know about is Chibi art. on an extremly often basis, i see chibi art drawn, and while i dont feel like posting a definition of "chibi", i bet i could argue that a "chibified" character looks a lot like a child/cub/whatever you would like to call it.
    Eeh..... I have no answer for that ^^;

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    It's somewhat pathetic that the admin's here have gone this low. There is no logical reason for a ban on mature Sonic work. The main excuse I've seen has been "We need to consider what someone would think on seeing this."

    So let's get this straight; A mother walks in on her kid jerking it to Tails and Cream Fapping it. Now a normal person would say, "What the hell, those are cartoons!" Not, "What the hell those are kids". Considering nobody even knows the age of Sonic characters without researching it, it's obvious that there's no appearance per age in the Sonic universe. Take the 25 Years Later comic series. They look exactly the same, just different clothes, and it's supposedly 25 years later.

    So can someone tell me, how do you plan on upholding a ban on a character who looks exactly the same no matter how old he/she is?

    Now let's take the worst case scenario. The Sonic porn ban is kept in effect. Now tell me, when do you plan on banning all the porn of Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, and every other cartoon you find on here? I can gaurantee you pretty much all of them fall in the same age category, seems a bit hypocritical to ban one and not the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    So can someone tell me, how do you plan on upholding a ban on a character who looks exactly the same no matter how old he/she is?

    Now let's take the worst case scenario. The Sonic porn ban is kept in effect. Now tell me, when do you plan on banning all the porn of Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, and every other cartoon you find on here? I can gaurantee you pretty much all of them fall in the same age category, seems a bit hypocritical to ban one and not the others.
    The policy is: if it looks like a child/underage, then it is treated as such and removed. It is subjective to the mods. End of story. This goes for everything.


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    But how do you tell if something is a child if that's how they look their entire life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    But how do you tell if something is a child if that's how they look their entire life?

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    You're thinking in the wrong perspective.

    It's in the frame of whether or not something looks like a child with real world human-esque standards.

    It's not looked at from the perspective of the source material.


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    Hmmm, I have two ways to answer that, so I'll say both.

    1. What about porn on the internet of 18+ girls with 18- bodies, so you're saying those are illegal just because of how they look?
    2. Wait, did you just say Sonic characters are human-esque? Cause I'm pretty sure that's what you said, and it's hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    1. What about porn on the internet of 18+ girls with 18- bodies, so you're saying those are illegal just because of how they look?
    Loli/Shota porn is already banned prior to the Cub Porn Ban on FA.

    2. Wait, did you just say Sonic characters are human-esque? Cause I'm pretty sure that's what you said, and it's hilarious.
    About as human-esque as Digimon. However Digimon are declared as Beasts and spared from the cub porn ban because they're deemed as (digital) monsters. Sonic characters are not monsters (aliens at the most in our perspective) and are treated as human-esque.

    Well, that's how I try to see it.... trying really hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    Hmmm, I have two ways to answer that, so I'll say both.

    1. What about porn on the internet of 18+ girls with 18- bodies, so you're saying those are illegal just because of how they look?
    2. Wait, did you just say Sonic characters are human-esque? Cause I'm pretty sure that's what you said, and it's hilarious.
    1) It doesn't matter what other sites do, they are not FA. Also, I never said illegal.
    2) They are human-esque. Two legs with feet, two arms with hands, a torso and groin, standing upright, cranium, face with two eyes and a nose and a mouth, two ears on either side of the head, and a neck.

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    About as human-esque as Digimon. However Digimon are declared as Beasts and spared from the cub porn ban because they're deemed as (digital) monsters. Sonic characters are not monsters (aliens at the most in our perspective) and are treated as human-esque.
    I am completely unfamiliar with Digimon, however from what I do vaguely recall that have far more non-human traits than Sonic characters.


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    #1 referred to real life, not FA. Oh well.

    So you consider them humanesque because they have limbs? You seem to be ignoring the fact that none of those limbs even look remotely human.

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    I am completely unfamiliar with Digimon, however from what I do vaguely recall that have far more non-human traits than Sonic characters.
    A few examples of Digmon

    http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs15/f/20...by_Angemon.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Sakuyamon.jpg
    http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/ency...emon_blast.jpg

    For some digimon, as they digivolve to higher stages, they gain more human attributes. I see Sonic chars as more align with Gatomon http://usuarios.lycos.es/cosplayers/...ko/gatomon.jpg or Impmon http://media.animegalleries.net/albu...934/Impmon.jpg in terms of amount of human-like traits. Especially Impmon. But since they're creatures of digital/fantasy, they're safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    #1 referred to real life, not FA. Oh well.
    If you're talking about real life examples, then those are banned/allowed depending on the country.

    So you consider them humanesque because they have limbs? You seem to be ignoring the fact that none of those limbs even look remotely human.
    I personally consider them toons, not human at all. My opinion doesn't quite matter though since I'm not the one enforcing the new policy.
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    #1 referred to real life, not FA. Oh well.

    So you consider them humanesque because they have limbs? You seem to be ignoring the fact that none of those limbs even look remotely human.
    I know what number one referred to. Regardless of real life laws, FA and other companies can set regulations to whatever they want. The whole reason FA had to change it's policy is because the policies of AlertPay did not allow cub porn.

    And no, not just limbs. If you would like me to get into detail with limbs, however, let me start:

    Let's see, arms... forearm and upper arm, attached by and elbow joint. Articulated wrists. Five-digit hands, with opposable thumbs. Legs... upper leg and lower leg, with a knee-like joint. Feet with shoes. Attached to the hip by the same means and orientation as a human.

    Yep, looks human-esque.


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    I sorta had a more general, selfish question about being harassed about cub stuff. X3

    I think I read harassment is when someone continues to say bothersome things, like over and over again? But if someone makes one comment about cub stuff, is that still a problem?

    I reported someone who commented my work saying, "I can't wait for the incest search results to not be 50% cub porn like this. What a great day it will be." and so I'm not sure whether admins are just busy, or if this doesn't count as being harassed.
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    Is it safe to name feral cubs "cubs" in the titles, descriptions and tags of submissions? Characters in question are from The Lion King, The Land Before Time etc.
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    I'd like to know why it is that all Digimon etc are safe, even the ones that look just as much proportionately like human kids as Sonic characters, but Sonic style is a no-no? I mean, an outsider (rep agency, payment processor etc) isn't going to know a Digimon from a Sonic character, so if they stumble upon, say, mature art of Gatomon, it's going to look just as cub-like as mature art of a Sonic-styled character.

    If we're going entirely by child-like appearance and not just discriminating against Sonic style, then surely child-like Digimon/Pokémon etc should be just as subject to the rules. Some of them look no more 'feral' than the Sonic cast (or, to reverse that, the Sonic cast look just as non-human as some Digimon/Pokémon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    I'd like to know why it is that all Digimon etc are safe, even the ones that look just as much proportionately like human kids as Sonic characters, but Sonic style is a no-no? I mean, an outsider (rep agency, payment processor etc) isn't going to know a Digimon from a Sonic character, so if they stumble upon, say, mature art of Gatomon, it's going to look just as cub-like as mature art of a Sonic-styled character.

    If we're going entirely by child-like appearance and not just discriminating against Sonic style, then surely child-like Digimon/Pokémon etc should be just as subject to the rules. Some of them look no more 'feral' than the Sonic cast (or, to reverse that, the Sonic cast look just as non-human as some Digimon/Pokémon).
    i have to agree with this one.

    why not just use the duck rule? a lot simpler and a lot easier to enforce.

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    See this is what happens when I attempt to make sense out of everything.and fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athari View Post
    Is it safe to name feral cubs "cubs" in the titles, descriptions and tags of submissions? Characters in question are from The Lion King, The Land Before Time etc.
    Those chars are feral and therefore safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    I'd like to know why it is that all Digimon etc are safe, even the ones that look just as much proportionately like human kids as Sonic characters, but Sonic style is a no-no? I mean, an outsider (rep agency, payment processor etc) isn't going to know a Digimon from a Sonic character, so if they stumble upon, say, mature art of Gatomon, it's going to look just as cub-like as mature art of a Sonic-styled character.

    If we're going entirely by child-like appearance and not just discriminating against Sonic style, then surely child-like Digimon/Pokémon etc should be just as subject to the rules. Some of them look no more 'feral' than the Sonic cast (or, to reverse that, the Sonic cast look just as non-human as some Digimon/Pokémon).
    The reason why is Dragoneer said so. He is the one that creates the rules, so we go by what he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redregon View Post
    i have to agree with this one.

    why not just use the duck rule? a lot simpler and a lot easier to enforce.
    Becuase Dragoneer says they are. Can't really elaborate becuase thats all I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Half View Post
    But how do you tell if something is a child if that's how they look their entire life?

    Oh this is gonna be fun. X3
    Honestly if a character looks like a child their whole life? Then whoever wants to draw that character is out of luck. It's the LOOK of characters we are judging by. If something looks like a kid to us even though they are 50 (See Shippo from inuyasha) Then they are still a kid to all eyes involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkuh View Post
    Becuase Dragoneer says they are. Can't really elaborate becuase thats all I know.
    understood... thing is, with that as it is, i can see that being a very large loop hole.

    but hey, i guess it's all down to what the payment service says on the matter if it comes down to it.

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    While I appreciate your responding, if you can't answer it then perhaps Dragoneer will show up here eventually to respond? It's a legitimate question, I think, that needs an answer. I do appreciate your making this topic, Pinkuh, very much so ♥ But hopefully 'Neer will be able to elaborate on points such as the above, because otherwise it just looks like Sonic style is being singled out, whilst other fandoms with characters that look equally cub-like to the outside eye will still be fine to post pr0nz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkuh View Post
    Honestly if a character looks like a child their whole life? Then whoever wants to draw that character is out of luck. It's the LOOK of characters we are judging by. If something looks like a kid to us even though they are 50 (See Shippo from inuyasha) Then they are still a kid to all eyes involved.
    This is exactly why the above question is pertinent. If we are saying that Sonic characters can't be drawn that style because they LOOK like kids to 'all eyes involved', then I can't see how certain Pokémon/Digimon could NOT be included. So if Dragoneer is saying that those are okay (despite looking as much like 'kids' as the Sonic cast), then we have an inconsistency that needs addressing :\
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    While I appreciate your responding, if you can't answer it then perhaps Dragoneer will show up here eventually to respond? It's a legitimate question, I think, that needs an answer. I do appreciate your making this topic, Pinkuh, very much so ♥ But hopefully 'Neer will be able to elaborate on points such as the above, because otherwise it just looks like Sonic style is being singled out, whilst other fandoms with characters that look equally cub-like to the outside eye will still be fine to post pr0nz.
    The reasoning for the diffrence between pokemon and sonic is... Pokemon are all beasts/feral, Sonic is not. Sonic is anthro. That's really how neer views things. I hope he comes by this thread too, but work has him slammed at the moment @_@ You may have better luck posting in his journal about your question if you want him to answer it himself.
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