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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkuh View Post
    The reasoning for the diffrence between pokemon and sonic is... Pokemon are all beasts/feral, Sonic is not. Sonic is anthro. That's really how neer views things. I hope he comes by this thread too, but work has him slammed at the moment @_@ You may have better luck posting in his journal about your question if you want him to answer it himself.
    Digimon, however, are sentient and talk and many walk as 'human-like' as the Sonic crew. If you know the series well, you could argue that they are still 'battle monsters', but I doubt any rep from a payment processing agency etc is going to know that. Surely they will see no visual difference between a child-like bi-pedal sentient-seeming Digimon (or certain Pokémon, for that matter, given how many artists show human-like Pokés as fully sentient AND talking 'human', without changing their appearance) and a Sonic character.

    If 'Neer is busy, I don't really want to pester him on his journal. I know he has a lot to deal with, which is why I'm happy this thread exists. Since I know you can't answer for him and I think I've put forward all points of the issue now, I won't repeat the question or elaborate any more, because asking over and over won't get him here any faster. So I'll shut up and just wait; hopefully he'll stop by eventually. Thanks again for answering to the best of your abilities in the meanwhile, anyway, Pinkuh (:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athari View Post
    Is it safe to name feral cubs "cubs" in the titles, descriptions and tags of submissions? Characters in question are from The Lion King, The Land Before Time etc.
    Yes it's fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    Digimon, however, are sentient and talk and many walk as 'human-like' as the Sonic crew. If you know the series well, you could argue that they are still 'battle monsters', but I doubt any rep from a payment processing agency etc is going to know that. Surely they will see no visual difference between a child-like bi-pedal sentient-seeming Digimon (or certain Pokémon, for that matter, given how many artists show human-like Pokés as fully sentient AND talking 'human', without changing their appearance) and a Sonic character.

    If 'Neer is busy, I don't really want to pester him on his journal. I know he has a lot to deal with, which is why I'm happy this thread exists. Since I know you can't answer for him and I think I've put forward all points of the issue now, I won't repeat the question or elaborate any more, because asking over and over won't get him here any faster. So I'll shut up and just wait; hopefully he'll stop by eventually. Thanks again for answering to the best of your abilities in the meanwhile, anyway, Pinkuh (:
    Pinkuh: Also got a couple people wanting to know why Digimon is concidered beast instead of anthro cause they talk and such
    Dragoneer: They're not child and have no relative age.
    Dragoneer: not children

    And there ya have it
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    I really REALLY appreciate you asking, but the question was extremely condensed and that answer doesn't actually answer the original question. If Shippo 'looks like' a child but isn't one yet is still banned, why are Digimon who 'look like' children but have no relative age okay?

    The point is that surely this rule is meant so that OUTSIDE people (like payment processors etc) won't see anything that looks like cub. So the question still isn't answered.

    Maybe if I get a set of pics from Pokémon/Digimon/Sonic/other toons etc and put them side by side it will explain what I mean. They will all LOOK like cub. Dragoneer's answer assumes that the outside agencies will know that Digimon have no age and that Sonic characters have canon ages. But I doubt that. They will see a human-child-like Digimon in exactly the same light as a Sonic character.

    Sigh. I would like Dragoneer to come look at this thread and answer the specifics because this is still making very little sense. On the one hand, he has said that it all comes down to how a character LOOKS (e.g. 46-year-old canon Sonic is still 'cub', as is Shippo), but then on the other he seems to be saying that even if a Digimon is very human-child-like and looks like cub, it's still okay because of canon agelessness.

    So which is it? Entirely based on appearance, or does canon info count too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    I really REALLY appreciate you asking, but the question was extremely condensed and that answer doesn't actually answer the original question. If Shippo 'looks like' a child but isn't one yet is still banned, why are Digimon who 'look like' children but have no relative age okay?

    The point is that surely this rule is meant so that OUTSIDE people (like payment processors etc) won't see anything that looks like cub. So the question still isn't answered.

    Maybe if I get a set of pics from Pokémon/Digimon/Sonic/other toons etc and put them side by side it will explain what I mean. They will all LOOK like cub. Dragoneer's answer assumes that the outside agencies will know that Digimon have no age and that Sonic characters have canon ages. But I doubt that. They will see a human-child-like Digimon in exactly the same light as a Sonic character.

    Sigh. I would like Dragoneer to come look at this thread and answer the specifics because this is still making very little sense. On the one hand, he has said that it all comes down to how a character LOOKS (e.g. 46-year-old canon Sonic is still 'cub', as is Shippo), but then on the other he seems to be saying that even if a Digimon is very human-child-like and looks like cub, it's still okay because of canon agelessness.

    So which is it? Entirely based on appearance, or does canon info count too?
    He will get to this thread eventually yes. (told me he was going to check it out after work) But I assure you he will give you the same answer and it still wont answer the question to your liking. It's best to just understand it as "Dragoneer says, it's his site, so we listen"
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    Whether we like the answer or not, we would at least like an answer that makes sense, and it's reasonable to an outsider viewing into our works.

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    This is going to be a nightmare. How can we really put a metric to something that is entirely subjective? I mean if the person out and out states it is underage then fine, but apart from that what is the difference between a mature but underdeveloped person and a child? I can't remember the character off hand but I remember a pink mouse who was a flat chested woman, she was shown to be a grown up female who simply didn't develop breasts or very curvey hips but was otherwise an adult in behavior and story. I fear that this debate on semantics and aesthetics is going to cause more than a few drama storms. This really is the problem with trying to police thought crime and apply real-world rules on blatant fiction, it always comes down to a childish game of 'my reality is more true than your reality'. If there really is anything we can call this folly it would be a "holy war".

    Even with all that said it's very hard for me to defend some of the more graphic and disturbing bits of cub porn you can find on FA, I only remind myself that it's all just fiction ultimately and the denial of fantasy is the quickest way to bring dark impulses into reality, just look at any gay-hating preacher or politician and their corresponding hypocrisy for proof of that. Ultimately this is FA's decision and we can't argue, it's not our sight, but this is going to be a very bumpy road before it's all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanisXchambers View Post
    This is going to be a nightmare. How can we really put a metric to something that is entirely subjective? I mean if the person out and out states it is underage then fine, but apart from that what is the difference between a mature but underdeveloped person and a child? I can't remember the character off hand but I remember a pink mouse who was a flat chested woman, she was shown to be a grown up female who simply didn't develop breasts or very curvey hips but was otherwise an adult in behavior and story. I fear that this debate on semantics and aesthetics is going to cause more than a few drama storms. This really is the problem with trying to police thought crime and apply real-world rules on blatant fiction, it always comes down to a childish game of 'my reality is more true than your reality'. If there really is anything we can call this folly it would be a "holy war".

    Even with all that said it's very hard for me to defend some of the more graphic and disturbing bits of cub porn you can find on FA, I only remind myself that it's all just fiction ultimately and the denial of fantasy is the quickest way to bring dark impulses into reality, just look at any gay-hating preacher or politician and their corresponding hypocrisy for proof of that. Ultimately this is FA's decision and we can't argue, it's not our sight, but this is going to be a very bumpy road before it's all over.
    I think you are talking about Wednesday from Sublimates comics. And she would be perfectly fine. Yes she doesn't have hips or large boobs. But she LOOKS mature. very slight folks don't automatically mean children. Again this is case by case. We know it's going to cause Drama storms (as it has already caused them.) But we have no choice in the matter and this is what has to be done.
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    The question I have is something that others have already asked. Sure, 'Neer has already said Digimon and other things "are not cub" because they are feral or something, but again, what matters here? It's not what 'Neer thinks or wants to believe. It is what the next possible provider thinks.

    What will the next provider think when they see a Pikachu getting it on with an Agumon? I thought this all started to try to get other providers to see us as a non-cub/child porn site. If something of this large of a scale is happening, you can't half-ass it, because that possible provider won't see that little digimon as "feral". It'll think of it as a young cub.

    Being realistic here, and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpriest View Post
    It's not what 'Neer thinks or wants to believe.
    This is the crux of your argument.

    It's false.

    It's all about what 'Neer thinks.

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    Ahem.

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    Please continue to ask questions, but debate and conversation will be deleted. Please allow me or one of the other admins to answer the questions.

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    Do you know if Dragoneer did look at this topic at all after work like he said he would, or was he still too busy? I think all that really remains after the mods have done their best to answer is to hear the final word from the big man himself. I hope he'll find time to read everything that was put forward rather than just giving a stock answer. Hopefully the delay in his reply means that he'll give a full answer, even if it's not necessarily what we want to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkuh View Post
    Please continue to ask questions
    Question:

    Since someone decided to point out that poke/digimon are totally cubs over and over instead of just asking if the sonic chars they draw are cubs, I'l just ask on their behalf:

    Pic1
    Pic2
    Pic3

    Can you tell where the cubs are or are they all aged up enough?
    Cause I have a hard time seeing cubs here. Do you see them?

    And before you say "canonical style", the proportions are shifting so much here that a lot of things are probably off.
    Such as the size of the hands, shape of spikes, non-perfectly oval/circular shaped body etc.
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    pic 1: I would have to get some other opinions cause that's borderline.
    Pic 2: knuckles looks old enough but... super sonic? dosen't
    Pic 3: To young looking
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    I see but why dos knuckles look old enough?
    What would the artist need to take from that shape and apply it to all their other characters so they look old enough too?
    At first look, knuckles looks indistinguishable from all other characters. But maybe I'm missing something obvious here.

    Thanks.

    (Also I'd have guessed the most obvious "non-cub" one would be the first one. The more you know I guess.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9_6 View Post
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    This ban is not about human kids, tho, it's about -all- underage stuff.
    Sonic is undeniable not-human, yet underage, and this banned, how does your nipple-theory cover that?
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    This slope is getting more and more slippery as more and more fans try to justify their particular drawings.

    Pinkuh, could you note me on the forums with an email address I could send that story to for final confirmation or rejection? You could also note me on FA itself. My forum name and FA name are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CerbrusNL View Post
    This ban is not about human kids, tho, it's about -all- underage stuff.
    Funny, I could swear "feral" things were an exception.
    I mean, it says so right there in the first post, isn't it?
    Is that a lie?

    Also there are bipedal animals.
    My creature is an example of something that would be borderline but is not because it's actually an "animal" and now I just formulated that gut feeling that made you say "animal" into a simple rule of thumb (that also just so happens to cover sonic characters... I mean come on, those are mascots)

    Of course if it has no nipples but is bipedal, tiny, has blatant "child" symbols such as wearing diapers, shakes a rattle and sucks cocks, those would be taken care of by staff discretion but hey, that rule would make things a lot less arbitrary.
    I haven't seen anyone come up with anything better >=/
    This is objectively measurable as opposed to wonky "this looks kindasorta like a child"- definitions that everyone perceives differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerbrusNL View Post
    Your creature wouldn't be borderline, it would just be cub. Just like any other anthro creature.
    Did I do something to you?
    I mean, that is a valid solution to the impending witch-hunt insanity and giant shitstorm that'll ensue once the ban gets enforced.
    If people ask "why did my art get deleted", bam, there's your crystal clear answer and it's not just "Because an admin says so".
    You can objectively see why.

    If alertpay points at gatomon, remind them that it's a cat. If they ask why, nipples (also gatomon is actually "chibi" because of the incredibly stubby limbs but no one thinks that far, apparently. Stylization, what's that? =P).
    If gatomon is displayed with 2 nipples, bam, cub, delete. Easy.
    I callenge you to come up with a better solution that logically explains why all digimon are exceptions. So far I have seen nothing.

    As for my creature, Pinkuh said it's "feral" earlier.
    Are you even looking at what I mean?
    Much miscommunication stems from people not actually looking but just assuming you know.
    No offense.

    Edit: There. Just saved you some time.
    I could also show you a render with the new specularity maps that give it a structure that makes it look more robotic than anything and if that won't confuse you enough yet, I plan on depicting it on all fours and shrunk the head by 10% which pretty much changes everything about how you perceive it.
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    I'm actually curious as to why 'cub' actually doesn't cover... actual (literal) cubs. Like cub Simba, etc. I mean, yes, he's clearly non bi-pedal and an animal... but he is still undeniably anthropomorphic (i.e. given human traits). He's clearly a child. He's meant to represent a child. He is physically and mentally immature.

    A lot of people arguing pro-ban say that calling Sonic characters and furries 'animals' doesn't change the fact that child animals are still children. Therefore, Simba is still a child, no?

    So, why is this okay? And how does one draw the line when some Digimon/Pokémon etc are as animal-like as Simba, and some as 'human-like' as Sonic characters? That's kinda the crux of my question because I'm not sure whether it's all in the physical or partly in the mental and/or canon. Given the wide range of creatures out there, there definitely IS a grey area if being non-human enough makes cub okay even when it's clearly still a child.

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    correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't a lot of the drama from the official announcement thread surrounding the potential loopholes that would be found and the admin stance was "sorry, that won't work."

    ... and yet, here's one very glaring loophole.

    something classed as "beast" by the admins (even if said character that's "beast" is bipedal) is fine?

    i had thought that the ruling was to prevent cub porn (beast or not) so that funding could be arranged for the site? what do you think it's going to look like to have riolu being porked by someone that doesn't know it's a pokemon? or a gatomon being raped for someone unfamiliar with digimon?

    i mean, we ARE talking about the people that handle the funds for the site. yes, i'm sure they'd know pikachu and charmander, but if they see some of the more obscure pokemon and digimon out there and they look like cubs, from their viewpoint, wouldn't that be seen as the site going back on it's "okay, no more cub porn" decision?

    not everyone in the world knows all the pokemon or digimon and this IS a matter of public perception afterall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9_6 View Post
    Naked under the shower, thinking about childrens bodies and what defines them as such,
    I had a stroke of genius.
    Sorry if this isn't a question and doesn't quite fit in here but hear me out.

    I've been asking what a "child" is before and been told to go to elementary school.
    Turns out that person actually had a point. I mean, take your clothes off and look at your body and the answer to your problems of how to objectively enforce this without banning everything is right there.

    This:

    Is it a "childs body"? If you say yes, go back to elementary school, twerp.
    This is a geometrical shape.
    If people fap to this, they fap to curves. Wanna ban curves? Nope.
    Wanna ban a certain proportion? No you don't.
    You don't because digimon and pokemon are an exception and they all just so happen to lack a certain characteristic that sepparates them from a "child".

    Now behold my magic as I turn this thing into a "undeniably humanoid child":

    MIND CRUSH.
    Childrens bodies. have. nipples.
    They have 2 nipples where all humans have nipples. Also a clearly visible bellybutton but the nipples are somehow more important because they're the secondary sexual organs.
    It is objectively measurable and even the most angry hillbilly god warrior can't argue against the fact that human children have nipples and a bellybutton.

    I came up with this while thinking back when I saw freaking strippers in talkshows in tv at 12 am and thought about how the heck they could get away with that.
    I mean, someone think about the children.
    The answer: Their nipples were covered by stickers.
    Thus no primary or secondary sexual organ was visible. Thus this was ok.
    Then it hit me that all humans have clearly visible nipples (and a belybutton, for that matter) while animals don't.
    At least not where humans have.

    That said, if you think the blank geometrical shape is a "gray area", this:


    Should revove any doubt, shouldn't it?
    That's not even remotely human anymore.
    If you disagree, kindly learn some basic anatomy by just looking at your own body.

    See?
    You can enforce this in an objective manner and it's beautifully simple as opposed to having a fuzzy definition of "no adult characteristics and certain proportions" and then just make a ton of exceptions.

    We're talking how "society" would view things and were asking for a satisfactory explanation as to why pokemon like charmander and digimon like gatomon are "beast" and here it is.
    Proven in real life even.

    Can I get a cookie now?

    Proportion is key. All of these look underage. (And I don't appreciate being called a twerp :P)

    If any of these were applied to a humanoid character I would be like "Huh thats a kid" But only for 2 and maybe 3 (depending on the lower portion of the body... a torso does not a monster make, and if the body were proportioned such that they had anthro arms and legs we would have to take a second look unless it specifically fell under the beast category by being a Pokemon or Digimon... ramble ramble) would removal be warranted (Unless 1 was in an erotic situation.)
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    Default Re: A clarification on sonic/underage

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoomSwish View Post
    I'm actually curious as to why 'cub' actually doesn't cover... actual (literal) cubs. Like cub Simba, etc. I mean, yes, he's clearly non bi-pedal and an animal... but he is still undeniably anthropomorphic (i.e. given human traits). He's clearly a child. He's meant to represent a child. He is physically and mentally immature.

    A lot of people arguing pro-ban say that calling Sonic characters and furries 'animals' doesn't change the fact that child animals are still children. Therefore, Simba is still a child, no?

    So, why is this okay? And how does one draw the line when some Digimon/Pokémon etc are as animal-like as Simba, and some as 'human-like' as Sonic characters? That's kinda the crux of my question because I'm not sure whether it's all in the physical or partly in the mental and/or canon. Given the wide range of creatures out there, there definitely IS a grey area if being non-human enough makes cub okay even when it's clearly still a child.
    This is one that Dragoneer is going to have to answer since I don't know. Sorry, I will try to get him to respond today
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