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    As many of you know we recently made changes to the FA Forums between moderators and the forum heirarchy. Within the past year the number of complaints and concerns we've received regarding the forums has gone up exponentially -- reports of aggressive staff, overly hostile users and a general feeling of unease from new users. Quite a few of these issues were brought up by moderators themselves.

    Chase has been made moderator lead in the mean time while we work on restructuring both the forum moderators and main site admins. Our goal is to utilize the forums more for FA news and support, to properly restructure how we interact with users, increase communication and be more visible. We can not do that if users do not feel welcomed on the forum, where they're insulted or made to feel unwelcome.

    We're not trying to rock the boat or re-invent the wheel, turn the forums into a "hugbox" or drive out the regulars. Nor is it our goal to change the format of the forums overnight. FA and FAF have two separate communities which are independent of one another, and we want to respect that. We also want to make sure those new to the forums are treated with respect and courtesy -- the same respect and courtesy we expect all users to extend to one another equally.

    We're not making huge changes, we're not going to stop the fantastic discussion on the forums. Discussion is what the forums are all about. But want the forums to accessible and friendly to all users.
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    What boggles my mind is why it took so long just to make a meaningful attempt to answer a few questions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    What boggles my mind is why it took so long just to make a meaningful attempt to answer a few questions.
    We're going through a re-org, and trying to deal with quite a bit at once. We'd hoped that the initial reaction would have died down and we could carry on with trying to complete what we needed to, but that didn't quite go as anticipated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    We're going through a re-org, and trying to deal with quite a bit at once. We'd hoped that the initial reaction would have died down and we could carry on with trying to complete what we needed to, but that didn't quite go as anticipated.
    A storm does not calm itself down.

    If it does, it's because of global warming.


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    I'm sure it will get better. Often there were slaps up side the head and bans without a warning.
    I always preferred to PM the person and say Hey don't do that again instead of them finding them
    selves banned. The Object of the staff is to try to keep people here not piss them off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitzbach View Post
    A storm does not calm itself down.

    If it does, it's because of global warming.
    I asked Al Gore to join the mod team. He just laughed and laughed, and walked away, holding his head in his hand, crying joyous tears.

    Not cool, Al Gore.
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    Personally, I want to ask, why Chase?

    It's from my understanding that he has an unsavory history. As it's been...pretty obvious, people are not happy about this because of this history therefore boat-rocking, making waves, (and whatever other ocean-related allegory) have already happened regardless of intention.

    Why not appoint someone people know they can trust and relate to? I mean, I don't know this guy from Adam's house cat. I've never really seen him on the forums so why not someone that's already familiar with the forums? Maybe other mods as a replacement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    What boggles my mind is why it took so long just to make a meaningful attempt to answer a few questions.
    It's been a very stressful few days. We're trying to get all this stuff stable still. I just really want to stress that we don't want to scare you guys off. Trust me, if we were trying to ban everyone and kill the community, I wouldn't be here anymore. I love being part of the community here with you guys. Just please understand where we're coming from. We really need to tone some of the hostility down, and communication between us and dragoneer and co is really getting better.

    We're sorry if you guys took things personally, but we're doing what we feel is right for everyone. We're not going to ban people for having opinions. Just try not to be so hostile about them :c

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    I asked Al Gore to join the mod team. He just laughed and laughed, and walked away, holding his head in his hand, crying joyous tears.

    Not cool, Al Gore.
    Show the man some respect. He did invent the internet, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    I asked Al Gore to join the mod team. He just laughed and laughed, and walked away, holding his head in his hand, crying joyous tears.

    Not cool, Al Gore.

    Al Gore be like

    "haha you picked Bush. Guess what's I see now? Al Gore"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    Personally, I want to ask, why Chase?

    It's from my understanding that he has an unsavory history. As it's been...pretty obvious, people are not happy about this because of this history therefore boat-rocking, making waves, (and whatever other ocean-related allegory) have already happened regardless of intention.

    Why not appoint someone people know they can trust and relate to? I mean, I don't know this guy from Adam's house cat. I've never really seen him on the forums so why not someone that's already familiar with the forums? Maybe other mods as a replacement?
    Because I know that I can trust Chase. I do not know if Chase plans to stay head of the forums until we can appoint someone better, but we needed somebody who could handle the task at hand. Chase handles Code of Conduct Enforcement on the main site, and due to the circumstances, we needed somebody right away. There's been a disconnect between main site staff and forum mods, and I didn't know anyone with that level of trust on the mod side. We're trying to rectify that, and have expanded our communication for the entire mod to team better re-incorporate the mods and FA staff.

    We're re-examining how all of FA is structured right now (or in some cases, lack of it). There's been a build up of rust, and we're trying to get things shiny and clean so we can move on and work on improving things.
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    Just don't touch the rants and raves board, its a great source of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoron View Post
    Just don't touch the rants and raves board, its a great source of entertainment.
    I stay the hell away from there anyways. Its a wretched hive of scum and villainy >:C

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoron View Post
    Just don't touch the rants and raves board, its a great source of entertainment.
    *Looks at his To-Do List....*

    1. Rants and Raves Board

    Uh... oh, well, um....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    Because I know that I can trust Chase. I do not know if Chase plans to stay head of the forums until we can appoint someone better, but we needed somebody who could handle the task at hand. Chase handles Code of Conduct Enforcement on the main site, and due to the circumstances, we needed somebody right away. There's been a disconnect between main site staff and forum mods, and I didn't know anyone with that level of trust on the mod side. We're trying to rectify that, and have expanded our communication for the entire mod to team better re-incorporate the mods and FA staff.

    We're re-examining how all of FA is structured right now (or in some cases, lack of it). There's been a build up of rust, and we're trying to get things shiny and clean so we can move on and work on improving things.

    That's not very good PR or reassuring to those who question Chase's ability based on his past. I'm sorry, but that's what killed FA/FAF for me and many others. But whatever, it's your website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    *Looks at his To-Do List....*

    1. Rants and Raves Board

    Uh... oh, well, um....
    Lets just scratch that one off the list before its too late :c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentova View Post
    It's been a very stressful few days. We're trying to get all this stuff stable still. I just really want to stress that we don't want to scare you guys off. Trust me, if we were trying to ban everyone and kill the community, I wouldn't be here anymore. I love being part of the community here with you guys. Just please understand where we're coming from. We really need to tone some of the hostility down, and communication between us and dragoneer and co is really getting better.

    We're sorry if you guys took things personally, but we're doing what we feel is right for everyone. We're not going to ban people for having opinions. Just try not to be so hostile about them :c
    This all the way. We're not trying to "censor" you guys. We're just upholding the forum rules against staff callout/disrupting the community like they always have been. Never ever will we infract or ban for having a differing opinion to what the staff have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoneer View Post
    Because I know that I can trust Chase. I do not know if Chase plans to stay head of the forums until we can appoint someone better, but we needed somebody who could handle the task at hand. Chase handles Code of Conduct Enforcement on the main site, and due to the circumstances, we needed somebody right away. There's been a disconnect between main site staff and forum mods, and I didn't know anyone with that level of trust on the mod side. We're trying to rectify that, and have expanded our communication for the entire mod to team better re-incorporate the mods and FA staff.

    We're re-examining how all of FA is structured right now (or in some cases, lack of it). There's been a build up of rust, and we're trying to get things shiny and clean so we can move on and work on improving things.
    I'm going to be honest and say I'm uneasy about the whole thing but here again, I'm uneasy about change in general so that's just taken with a grain of salt. I like this site. I'm hoping to be a part of the community for a long while.

    Hopefully we'll have less communication issues so things actually CAN get better.

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    I will say that most parts of FAF is welcoming and for the most part friendly but then I tent to linger mostly on the site descussion, off-topic and the rants and raves board. Rants and Raves is the only place that I regularly see topics that one could precieve as not friendly and thats more because if you want to play in R&R you need a thicker skin anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toshabi View Post
    That's not very good PR or reassuring to those who question Chase's ability based on his past. I'm sorry, but that's what killed FA/FAF for me and many others. But whatever, it's your website.
    I can understand being upset about his past, but you shouldn't assume that the forums are dying because of it. Like I mentioned earlier, if I felt the forum's community was in danger I would've stepped down from being a mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentova View Post
    I can understand being upset about his past, but you shouldn't assume that the forums are dying because of it. Like I mentioned earlier, if I felt the forum's community was in danger I would've stepped down from being a mod.

    It's not that we think the sky is falling or that the forums are suddenly going to burst into flames, it's the fact that double standards are being put into play. It doesn't bode well for me or others knowing that something like that happened. I for one can't support something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toshabi View Post
    It's not that we think the sky is falling or that the forums are suddenly going to burst into flames, it's the fact that double standards are being put into play. It doesn't bode well for me or others knowing that something like that happened. I for one can't support something like that.
    That's your choice then. I'm sorry you feel that way, but if you do not wish to stay around, I'm not going to argue. :c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toshabi View Post
    It's not that we think the sky is falling or that the forums are suddenly going to burst into flames, it's the fact that double standards are being put into play. It doesn't bode well for me or others knowing that something like that happened. I for one can't support something like that.
    Personally, I trust Mentova on this mainly because I have known him for so long and understand his character. He's a derp but a good guy and well-intentioned.

    If he says there's nothing to worry about then I'm inclined to believe him.

    We can only wait and see, really.

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    About fucking time. Some of the users here, including mods, can be total fucking dicks for little to no reason. I wish I could name them but I cant, and I wont.

    There were quite a few new members that had great potential that were chased away like they were harmful pests and treated with utter disrespect and chastised because they made one tiny mistake regarding the rules/AUP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d.batty View Post
    About fucking time. Some of the users here, including mods, can be total fucking dicks for little to no reason. I wish I could name them but I cant, and I wont.

    There were quite a few new members that had great potential that were chased away like they were harmful pests and treated with utter disrespect and chastised because they made one tiny mistake regarding the rules/AUP.
    Exactly. It always really upset me when I saw a newbie chased off by angry mobs. That is the big thing that we want to cut down on.

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    In the Neer future, we will have nothing but fetish discussion on GD because that's what most of the new members come to talk about anyway.

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