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A little feedback on this one?

Namba

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gewitter

Member
Neck is still off and stuff like that. The line quality is sketchy, but some people still like that in inked works, for cleaner lines a single in pen is best.
The lines here are either really heavy or really light, some in between thicknesses would be nice. And be careful where you let lines overlap other lines, some of the
lines that do that in the pants are distracting. And careful when object have lines that fade into another form, like the headphones going into the guy's shoulder.

The piece is not extremely messy though, which is good, and the lines that do need to go in front of other lines to show depth are there, so this is a pretty nice effort.
I feel like what I said was not very helpful, but if you could give some more specific inquiries I could try being more specific.
 

Namba

Well-Known Member
Neck is still off and stuff like that. The line quality is sketchy, but some people still like that in inked works, for cleaner lines a single in pen is best.
The lines here are either really heavy or really light, some in between thicknesses would be nice. And be careful where you let lines overlap other lines, some of the
lines that do that in the pants are distracting. And careful when object have lines that fade into another form, like the headphones going into the guy's shoulder.

The piece is not extremely messy though, which is good, and the lines that do need to go in front of other lines to show depth are there, so this is a pretty nice effort.
I feel like what I said was not very helpful, but if you could give some more specific inquiries I could try being more specific.
Nah, you've covered a lot of things, actually, and I really appreciate it. I'll work more on lines next time and try to keep things in proportion; that sort of thing has been giving me grief for a long time and I'm hopefully gonna break through that pretty soon.

And to be honest, the piece, in person, doesn't look messy like that. I don't know why my scanner picked it up that way, but I suppose that means I'm gonna have to be extra careful with the lineart.
 
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Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
If you're doing this traditionally, I have a feeling that you're using tech pens (like microns, or ones that only have 1 size attributed to them) so it's causing 2 problems I notice right off the bat.

Since you had the scratchy line thing going in sketches, it's giving you choppy lines in your drawing. Even when you're trying to mimic line width by going over the same area it looks choppy. Even working with a brush pen will give you better line dynamics. I know people who have less patience for doing ink with brush and will default to the tech pens I mentioned earlier.

Inking can be a rather frustrating process because you need to get the stroke right and it needs to describe the form, and light source.

http://www.tomrichmond.com/blog/2006/08/21/inking-tutorial-part-i/

http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2009/05/walt-stanchfield-bookdon-hahn.html
 

Namba

Well-Known Member
If you're doing this traditionally, I have a feeling that you're using tech pens (like microns, or ones that only have 1 size attributed to them) so it's causing 2 problems I notice right off the bat.

Since you had the scratchy line thing going in sketches, it's giving you choppy lines in your drawing. Even when you're trying to mimic line width by going over the same area it looks choppy. Even working with a brush pen will give you better line dynamics. I know people who have less patience for doing ink with brush and will default to the tech pens I mentioned earlier.

Inking can be a rather frustrating process because you need to get the stroke right and it needs to describe the form, and light source.

http://www.tomrichmond.com/blog/2006/08/21/inking-tutorial-part-i/

http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2009/05/walt-stanchfield-bookdon-hahn.html
I use cheap, but trusty Bic pens. A brush pen has been suggested to me before, but I never got around to actually getting one and practicing with one. Looks like that'll be a better alternative, though, in spite of the fact it'll be a little harder to master, but I'll be very willing to put in the work it takes to get clean lines. And these tutorials are freaking helpful, I really love the fact you're taking the time to actually find a source that explains everything instead of just telling people what they're doing wrong. Any particular brush pens you recommend or are they all pretty much the same?
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
I had some that came with my Copic Multiliners set and there are quite a few like http://www.dickblick.com/products/pentel-pocket-brush-pen/
and http://www.dickblick.com/products/kuretake-brush-pen/

http://amzn.com/B002518G9E is the one I have (I think because I am not using all the pens anymore and don't have the original packaging) I also use the SP ones because I can refill and change the cartridges but they get pricey.

I do use tech pens along with brush pens and also paper has a lot to do with it. I use smoother paper to get less jagged looks. Comic book paper, Deleter postcard paper, http://deleter-mangashop.com/goods_en_usd_269.html, smooth canson paper and vellum http://amzn.com/B0013USWEM

Now if some of this is out of your price range - and there is a JoAnne's nearby http://printable-coupons.blogspot.com/2005/12/jo-ann-coupons.html grab some of those coupons. I often find a 50% off coupon and that's how I built up on getting the more expensive traditional supplies.

I do more digital inking now but I guess this one from years back is one I did as a postcard trade (someone sends over a sketch, and I finish it)
I inked this one and colored it - top is what I did, bottom was the original sketch
sjdhmorrigansketchink050505.JPG
 

Namba

Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry, I didn't see this any sooner. First of all, that's an awesome piece.

Second, I looked at all those links... I might just go with the first one as far as pens, and yes, I really need some proper art paper like nobody else's business. And I really appreciate you taking the time to post all these links, you're seriously a huge help and it's great to see you're sticking around to give people the help they need.
 

kobuzero

New Member
Hey there, I took a look at your art. The only problem I can see with the inking, is it is a bit too thick. Generally I use a fine tipped sharpie for my inking. Other than that tho, it looks pretty awesome, I shall add you to my watch list :)
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Hey there, I took a look at your art. The only problem I can see with the inking, is it is a bit too thick. Generally I use a fine tipped sharpie for my inking. Other than that tho, it looks pretty awesome, I shall add you to my watch list :)

Can you elaborate on that because people can ink as "thick' as one wants http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/dougiemccoy/ttgo.jpg

http://thenoisingmachine.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/batman_sketch_by_jae_lee.jpg

http://www.artcotic.com/graphics/showcase/showcasejan/stevebill8.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/008/8/4/Bernie_Wrightson_Frankenstein_by_Dre_Artwork.jpg
 

Saeto15

Member
Try sitting down with a few pens of varying thicknesses and just sketching. The best ways to get better at inking are a) to do it a lot and b) to get more confident with your strokes. If you're always worrying about screwing up the piece, then you're always going to have very inconsistent, sketchy lines. Also play around with different line weights. If everything is a uniform thickness the piece just gets boring.
 

Namba

Well-Known Member
Try sitting down with a few pens of varying thicknesses and just sketching. The best ways to get better at inking are a) to do it a lot and b) to get more confident with your strokes. If you're always worrying about screwing up the piece, then you're always going to have very inconsistent, sketchy lines. Also play around with different line weights. If everything is a uniform thickness the piece just gets boring.
I'm trying to fix the whole uniform thickness thing, and I appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
And your art kicks ass, man! I'm adding ya.
 
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