A Question on Vore for Those Who Love It, like me

[Gronix]

I guess I wanted to understand the mindset of someone else who likes it but does not face this problem.

Oh man, I sure like many things mentioned in this thread in one way or another, sexual fantasies can be really fucked up, but I think of them as perfectly fine, I don't hate myself for finding something appealing, or anyone else.
That is, as long as these things stay a fantasy.

I also happen to be schizophrenic, but it's not something I'm comfortable talking about, and it's something I eternally struggle against, so it never defines me.

Separation of reality, and fantasy is a very, very important thing, for everyone, and especially anyone who suffers from any kind of psychosis.
Those.. vivid imagery, sexual fantasies, voices, they're all in my dysfunctional head, and whatever roleplay I imagine, whatever art I see and think about also have no grasp on real life.

This way, I just give the middle finger to my wild, wild imagination, let it fly free, and think whatever it wants, since nothing of it really matters, it's my ugly pet that makes life harder, but at the same time it's pretty interesting to look at at times.
To help this separation, I not only focus, but I obsess over ration and the material world, with being dead set on finding out the truths I can to shed delusions.

But then again, I'm an amoral, near-apathetic sociopath, emotions made me volatile, they do not anymore.
Despite that, I still don't have any incentive whatsoever to live these fantasies in real life.
Enjoy your fetishes in your head, with art, roleplay, whatever you like, it's for you to enjoy, don't be afraid of yourself.
Lives of people matter more than imagined people's.

 

[Dongding]

whateverart I see and think about also have no grasp on real life.

Amen. I don't believe how intolerant some people are to content that's intangible, and moreover entirely optional for them to look at.

Some people use creative expression as a coping mechanism to surpress urges and indulge in them privately with no ill effect to other people if their interests are destructive to others.

If being a furry has taught me anything, it's that it's really common to have uncommon interests, whatever they may be. I'm into some stuff that would horrify me in reality, but in cartoon form I find it incredibly attractive. I can't help that. I indulge in those things in order to get it out of my system so it doesn't affect my actual life. I can't judge someone who gets off to pieces of furniture when I'm into like, inflatable furries and stuff like that. It's ridiculous and hypocritical. Point your eyes at one of the other infinite things in the universe if you don't like what you're looking at.

I'll never understand people who go out of their way to find things to upset themselves over, when there's actual problems with real life consequences they could be fixing if they were so righteous in the first place to be witch-hunting.

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

If being a furry has taught me anything, it's that it's really common to have uncommon interests, whatever they may be. I'm into some stuff that would horrify me in reality, but in cartoon form I find it incredibly attractive. I can't help that. I indulge in those things in order to get it out of my system so it doesn't affect my actual life.

I've stated this before; if someone is at the point where they need these things to merely keep urges at bay, as a means to prevent anything from affecting them in real life, then they need help. Normal people don't use their impulses to keep themselves from raping other people. People just don't do it regardless.
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To the OP: Most attractions in the furry fandom are quite absurd. Chances are you won't find a way to manifest vore in the real world, and you've made it clear you're not willing to swallow goldfish and rats. Thus we know that you aren't going to harm anyone physically; this is your own mental battle that you'll have to work through.
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Do not fear your attraction. But do not ignore your consciousness either. I would greatly prefer you listen to your moral judgment, but if nothing else, just pick a side and stick with it. Don't sit on the fence with this because it will only degrade you further; commit to abstaining from viewing vore for moral/psychological reasons or just continue to do so. If you continue to do so and still can't silence that voice in the back of your head, then I'd say just avoid it altogether. You don't want to keep contradicting yourself mentally.
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But I'm not a therapist. See a therapist. I'm just giving you my knowledge based on experience and opinion. Take it for what its worth.
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"When I was a youngster, all the progressive people were saying, "Why all this prudery? Let us treat sex just as we treat all our other impulses." I was simple-minded enough to believe they meant what they said, I have since discovered that they meant exactly the opposite; they meant that sex was to be treated as no other impulse has ever been treated by civilized people. All the others, we admit, have to be bridled. Absolute obedience to your instinct of self-preservation is what we call cowardice. To your acquisitive impulse, avarice. Even sleep must be resisted if you're a sentry. But every unkindness and breach of faith seems to be condoned, provided that the object aimed at is 'four bare legs in a bed'. It is like having a morality in which stealing fruits is considered wrong... unless you steal nectarines. And if you protest against this view, you are usually met with chatter about the legitimacy and beauty and sanctity of sex, and accused of harboring some puritan prejudice against it, as something disreputable or shameful. I deny the charge; foam-born Venus, Golden Aphrodite, Our Lady of Cypris, I never breezed a word against you. If I disapprove of boys who steal my nectarines, would you suppose I disapprove of nectarines in general? Or even of boys in general? It might, you know, be STEALING that I disapproved of." -CS Lewis
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Fun fact: CS Lewis was into bondage, so his statements about sex make it more relevant. Do not fear the sexual impulse; civilize it. Have it be under your control. You have the choice whether or not to view vore or to listen to your moral concious. If you do view any of the more decadent pornography, be sure it doesn't turn into a reliance as Dongding claims to use it as (I don't mean to get down on you Dong but I don't think that's a good way to utilize pornography or to satisfy urges). If you're having to use vore or twisted pornography to KEEP you from ACTUALLY doing those things, then you need to see someone right away. Otherwise, it's your decision.

 

[Dongding]

I've stated this before; if someone is at the point where they need these things to merely keep urges at bay, as a means to prevent anything from affecting them in real life, then they need help. Normal people don't use their impulses to keep themselves from raping other people. People just don't do it regardless.

I agree. Perverts addicted to destructive behavior with intentions to inflict it unwillingly upon others aren't normal though, are they? There's plenty of zoophiles, rapists, and other perverse criminals that are simply going to act out who definitely need therapeutic help. They're probably beyond the point where private online creative expression or viewing other people's art can help them keep it in check. But you can't take away the only reasonable way for those less infatuated to act out harmlessly without affecting others and expect them to just uproot their entire life and reputation in a selfless act.

How smart could a person be who would expect them to do that?

 

[Madaruel]

I've stated this before; if someone is at the point where they need these things to merely keep urges at bay, as a means to prevent anything from affecting them in real life, then they need help. Normal people don't use their impulses to keep themselves from raping other people. People just don't do it regardless.
-
To the OP: Most attractions in the furry fandom are quite absurd. Chances are you won't find a way to manifest vore in the real world, and you've made it clear you're not willing to swallow goldfish and rats. Thus we know that you aren't going to harm anyone physically; this is your own mental battle that you'll have to work through.
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Do not fear your attraction. But do not ignore your consciousness either. I would greatly prefer you listen to your moral judgment, but if nothing else, just pick a side and stick with it. Don't sit on the fence with this because it will only degrade you further; commit to abstaining from viewing vore for moral/psychological reasons or just continue to do so. If you continue to do so and still can't silence that voice in the back of your head, then I'd say just avoid it altogether. You don't want to keep contradicting yourself mentally.
-
But I'm not a therapist. See a therapist. I'm just giving you my knowledge based on experience and opinion. Take it for what its worth.
-
"When I was a youngster, all the progressive people were saying, "Why all this prudery? Let us treat sex just as we treat all our other impulses." I was simple-minded enough to believe they meant what they said, I have since discovered that they meant exactly the opposite; they meant that sex was to be treated as no other impulse has ever been treated by civilized people. All the others, we admit, have to be bridled. Absolute obedience to your instinct of self-preservation is what we call cowardice. To your acquisitive impulse, avarice. Even sleep must be resisted if you're a sentry. But every unkindness and breach of faith seems to be condoned, provided that the object aimed at is 'four bare legs in a bed'. It is like having a morality in which stealing fruits is considered wrong... unless you steal nectarines. And if you protest against this view, you are usually met with chatter about the legitimacy and beauty and sanctity of sex, and accused of harboring some puritan prejudice against it, as something disreputable or shameful. I deny the charge; foam-born Venus, Golden Aphrodite, Our Lady of Cypris, I never breezed a word against you. If I disapprove of boys who steal my nectarines, would you suppose I disapprove of nectarines in general? Or even of boys in general? It might, you know, be STEALING that I disapproved of." -CS Lewis
-
Fun fact: CS Lewis was into bondage, so his statements about sex make it more relevant. Do not fear the sexual impulse; civilize it. Have it be under your control. You have the choice whether or not to view vore or to listen to your moral concious. If you do view any of the more decadent pornography, be sure it doesn't turn into a reliance as Dongding claims to use it as (I don't mean to get down on you Dong but I don't think that's a good way to utilize pornography or to satisfy urges). If you're having to use vore or twisted pornography to KEEP you from ACTUALLY doing those things, then you need to see someone right away. Otherwise, it's your decision.

You know, for the longest time, I thought you had to be into Vore to be a furry. And it's been such a part of my identity I guess it was natural to make that assumption. I thought you had to be ok with death and destruction. But now you have freed me. Now I'm free. And I feel so much love inside me I don't know what to do with it all. I feel I will burst. Thank you, thank you for freeing me. I'll keep watching Livin loving guys stuff, because whether I look at Vore or not I experience those nightmare symptoms, and because I know that whatever Arbok had planned for A, it Wasn't to hurt him. But if that voice in the back of my head keeps telling me to release it, then I have all the love in the world to give. And I can finally give it free, knowing that I don't have to hurt my Loves ever again. And the nightmares will no longer torment me.

You are a Christian I see. What an honor indeed to have a follower of Christ free me. I am a humble follower myself, though through Heretical gospels like the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and the Essene Gospel of Peace. The feet firmly planted on Zion indeed need no crutches, but he who cannot walk gets farther with them than without them.

But I look forward to that day when the lion shall lay down with the lamb, and the leopard with the kid, and the Dove with the asp, and a little child shall lead them. Even so, Lord Jesus Maria Christ, Yasha Maria, Come.

 

[Madaruel]

I agree. Perverts addicted to destructive behavior with intentions to inflict it unwillingly upon others aren't normal though, are they? There's plenty of zoophiles, rapists, and other perverse criminals that are simply going to act out who definitely need therapeutic help. They're probably beyond the point where private online creative expression or viewing other people's art can help them keep it in check. But you can't take away the only reasonable way for those less infatuated to act out harmlessly without affecting others and expect them to just uproot their entire life and reputation in a selfless act.

How smart could a person be who would expect them to do that?

I was like you once. I was so angry, I had so much anger and hate and pain inside of me, such fear, such dark urges, I thought there was no hope for me. But I always held it back. I always held myself back. And slowly I learned to turn that evil into good, that hatred into love through Jesus Maria Christ. That is what these people must do. They must face their demons and transform them, or replace them with something better. To break those bonds which bind them. They must hold themselves back, even in their minds, even in their fantasies, until the nightmares stop tormenting them. Until they learn to heal those nightmares, once and for all.

For most of my life I have been a furry in the strongest sense of the word, and all my fantasies, from the time I was little were with snakes and Pokemon and other creatures, and humans disgusted me, to the point I did not have mates, even as a kid and teenager, and I thought it was a blessing, because all I saw in human relationships was suffering. But now, except for my friends in my head, if there were true anthropomorphic Furries out there, I could not, I would not leave my human mates for them, because I love my human mates, and I want to be with them always. And if my friends in my head did come to life I would love them too, but I would never leave my human mates.

 

[Madaruel]

Amen. I don't believe how intolerant some people are to content that's intangible, and moreover entirely optional for them to look at.

Some people use creative expression as a coping mechanism to surpress urges and indulge in them privately with no ill effect to other people if their interests are destructive to others.

If being a furry has taught me anything, it's that it's really common to have uncommon interests, whatever they may be. I'm into some stuff that would horrify me in reality, but in cartoon form I find it incredibly attractive. I can't help that. I indulge in those things in order to get it out of my system so it doesn't affect my actual life. I can't judge someone who gets off to pieces of furniture when I'm into like, inflatable furries and stuff like that. It's ridiculous and hypocritical. Point your eyes at one of the other infinite things in the universe if you don't like what you're looking at.

I'll never understand people who go out of their way to find things to upset themselves over, when there's actual problems with real life consequences they could be fixing if they were so righteous in the first place to be witch-hunting.

If you think there is something I can fix, then I will do my best to help you, or to help the world do that. But right now I must fix my own mind first, and finally, finally, I have. So, if there is a problem in this world you want me to help out with, just tell me and I will. Till then I must keep fighting, until I am finally, finally whole.

 

[Madaruel]

Oh man, I sure like many things mentioned in this thread in one way or another, sexual fantasies can be really fucked up, but I think of them as perfectly fine, I don't hate myself for finding something appealing, or anyone else.
That is, as long as these things stay a fantasy.

I also happen to be schizophrenic, but it's not something I'm comfortable talking about, and it's something I eternally struggle against, so it never defines me.

Separation of reality, and fantasy is a very, very important thing, for everyone, and especially anyone who suffers from any kind of psychosis.
Those.. vivid imagery, sexual fantasies, voices, they're all in my dysfunctional head, and whatever roleplay I imagine, whatever art I see and think about also have no grasp on real life.

This way, I just give the middle finger to my wild, wild imagination, let it fly free, and think whatever it wants, since nothing of it really matters, it's my ugly pet that makes life harder, but at the same time it's pretty interesting to look at at times.
To help this separation, I not only focus, but I obsess over ration and the material world, with being dead set on finding out the truths I can to shed delusions.

But then again, I'm an amoral, near-apathetic sociopath, emotions made me volatile, they do not anymore.
Despite that, I still don't have any incentive whatsoever to live these fantasies in real life.
Enjoy your fetishes in your head, with art, roleplay, whatever you like, it's for you to enjoy, don't be afraid of yourself.
Lives of people matter more than imagined people's.

I cannot seperate them my friend. They are all real to me. And so I must treat each one with just as much deadly seriousness as I treat my real life. And greater love has not this, than a man who would give his life for his friends, and for the world. And so I will.

 

[Madaruel]

Nope.

Then what do you mean by your response. Help me to understand what you are trying to say by highlighting what I have said and responding only with dots. Do you mean you do not understand what I have said? Well then I will tell you. Madarao is a spirit I merged with. One of several.

And for Toonami, just look it up and you will quickly see what I am talking about. I had hoped the ship would travel through dimensions and just come take me away.

 

[Dongding]

I was like you once. I was so angry, I had so much anger and hate and pain inside of me, such fear, such dark urges, I thought there was no hope for me.

lol wtf?

 

[Madaruel]

lol wtf?

I guess I was angry with myself and hated the world and everything in it. But yea, if you aren't like that, and just like bad stuff for no reason, that's ok to. But in my experience, there is always a reason. Or if you don't like bad stuff and I just misread your messages, I am sorry.

 

[Dongding]

I guess I was angry with myself and hated the world and everything in it. But yea, if you aren't like that, and just like bad stuff for no reason, that's ok to. But in my experience, there is always a reason. Or if you don't like bad stuff and I just misread your messages, I am sorry.

Is english your first language? (Not to be rude; It's extremely impressive to me when people know more than one passably.)

The thing about the stuff I'm into, is any of my kinks that lie on any side of the spectrum that falls into the territory of abuse; I'm the recipient.

Now here's something else. If any of it happened to me in IRL, I definitely wouldn't enjoy it. I'm a firm believer that what you're capable of spanking to has absolutely nothing to do with what you're attracted to in a physical relationship. I have more than enough very personal private experience in this area to know well enough for myself, regardless of my ability to explain it adequately to those who don't wish to believe it.

I think masterbation is more conceptual. None of the things I find attractive online are things I would ever even consider bothering with in reality.

 

[Gronix]

I cannot seperate them my friend. They are all real to me.

Exactly.
While things different to me might warp my present personal view, the outside world actually never changes for real. It's all meaningless, and in my head, where it belongs. If I can admit that it only looks real, but it certainly isn't, then by all means I am forbidden from treating it real. A fake wound with fake blood might look like it's real at first, but if you admit it isn't, then you don't have to treat the wound as if it was real.

Remove "to me" and "looks/sounds real" from the question like I did. Neither of them matters.

After that you're left with the question: Is it real? Yes or No

You can only improve if you can admit to yourself that your perception has failed you.

 

[Felix Bernard]

Just ho nomo no homo mo hono

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

You know, for the longest time, I thought you had to be into Vore to be a furry. And it's been such a part of my identity I guess it was natural to make that assumption. I thought you had to be ok with death and destruction. But now you have freed me. Now I'm free. And I feel so much love inside me I don't know what to do with it all. I feel I will burst. Thank you, thank you for freeing me. I'll keep watching Livin loving guys stuff, because whether I look at Vore or not I experience those nightmare symptoms, and because I know that whatever Arbok had planned for A, it Wasn't to hurt him. But if that voice in the back of my head keeps telling me to release it, then I have all the love in the world to give. And I can finally give it free, knowing that I don't have to hurt my Loves ever again. And the nightmares will no longer torment me.

You are a Christian I see. What an honor indeed to have a follower of Christ free me. I am a humble follower myself, though through Heretical gospels like the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and the Essene Gospel of Peace. The feet firmly planted on Zion indeed need no crutches, but he who cannot walk gets farther with them than without them.

But I look forward to that day when the lion shall lay down with the lamb, and the leopard with the kid, and the Dove with the asp, and a little child shall lead them. Even so, Lord Jesus Maria Christ, Yasha Maria, Come.

I'm a Christian apologist. I'm not necessarily a Christian.

If I were I wouldn't look at porn or try not to. If you are a Christian then I must ask why you bother with pornography.

 

[Judge Spear]

Madarao is a spirit I merged with. One of several.

Jesus fucking Christ.....

 

[Madaruel]

Is english your first language? (Not to be rude; It's extremely impressive to me when people know more than one passably.)

The thing about the stuff I'm into, is any of my kinks that lie on any side of the spectrum that falls into the territory of abuse; I'm the recipient.

Now here's something else. If any of it happened to me in IRL, I definitely wouldn't enjoy it. I'm a firm believer that what you're capable of spanking to has absolutely nothing to do with what you're attracted to in a physical relationship. I have more than enough very personal private experience in this area to know well enough for myself, regardless of my ability to explain it adequately to those who don't wish to believe it.

I think masterbation is more conceptual. None of the things I find attractive online are things I would ever even consider bothering with in reality.

Yes, english is my first language. :3

I'm the recipient of Vore as well. It brings me no pleasure to watch others tortured, unless I think of the happy afterlife they will go to, and then I am happy for them and a bit envious, but I would still want them to have life and not death.

You are right to a certain extent about masturbation vs physical relationships, and I would only say there is some overlap, because for instance I am very submissive in my relationships and this also comes up in masturbation.

I guess, for myself as well, I am usually the recipient. But either way it torments me when it leads to death.

 

[Madaruel]

I'm a Christian apologist. I'm not necessarily a Christian.

If I were I wouldn't look at porn or try not to. If you are a Christian then I must ask why you bother with pornography.

I don't usually. I've only looked at a few images. But I guess it's my attempt to be normal and interact with the furry community.

A Christian apologist is someone who argues for Christianity. So I guess you could be one without being Christian, though it seems a little self contradictory. I guess I've been one for most of my life, considering all the doubts I had even as I advocated so strongly for Protestant Evangelical Christianity in the past.

 

[Madaruel]

Just ho nomo no homo mo hono

I don't...understand.... Do you mean: No Name, no homosexuality more honor?

Dang Calvinists, everything is all predestined with them. You're just supposed to know or not know. We need some free will up in here. (That's a joke by the way my friend).

 

[Madaruel]

Exactly.
While things different to me might warp my present personal view, the outside world actually never changes for real. It's all meaningless, and in my head, where it belongs. If I can admit that it only looks real, but it certainly isn't, then by all means I am forbidden from treating it real. A fake wound with fake blood might look like it's real at first, but if you admit it isn't, then you don't have to treat the wound as if it was real.

Remove "to me" and "looks/sounds real" from the question like I did. Neither of them matters.

After that you're left with the question: Is it real? Yes or No

You can only improve if you can admit to yourself that your perception has failed you.

My outside world changes for real. My neck and chest hurt for instance any time I lie to myself or any time something bad happens. And not listening to my intuition can cause really bad things to happen in the outside world.

It is real. Thoughts are real things.

 

[Madaruel]

Jesus fucking Christ.....

I love you to? God bless you.

 

[Madaruel]

Never thought I'd see vore and Christianity in the same place.

Young's Literal Translation
for, as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40

Gospel of the Holy Twelve, Lection 71

4. And he would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel of blood through the temple, or that any animals should be slain. And the disciples remembered that it was written, Zeal for thine house hath eaten me up.

 

[Madaruel]

I'm a Christian apologist. I'm not necessarily a Christian.

If I were I wouldn't look at porn or try not to. If you are a Christian then I must ask why you bother with pornography.

It's also cause I don't want to run away from things that scare me. I want to face them.

 

[Felix Bernard]

I don't...understand.... Do you mean: No Name, no homosexuality more honor?

Dang Calvinists, everything is all predestined with them. You're just supposed to know or not know. We need some free will up in here. (That's a joke by the way my friend).

No I was just messing up the words to gibberish xD

 

[Madaruel]

No I was just messing up the words to gibberish xD

And why did you decide to do that my friend? And when are you going to answer my questions on your theology thread. A Methodist would have answered by now (again, I'm just giving you crap, to make you laugh :3)