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Ovidia Dragoness

Udder Derg
Banned
i personally don't see the problem. you're still able to post reminders several times a day. i can't imagine there's much detriment to your profit not being allowed to post reminders every 30 minutes like a lot of artists did. if anything, i think it's a benefit considering you're annoying less people and aren't driving them away from future work.

don't get me wrong, a filter would have been way WAY better than what they put in place, but since FA's devs aren't the greatest, this is what we have to live with, and i honestly don't think it's that bad.
From what I read, these reminders have to be completely different. No duplicates. How do you advertise a ych when you can't show it more than once?
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
huh, again I guess people's experience may vary. But as I said, i don't have trouble with traffic, and I've never posted any reminder, so obviously that's achievable too.
Not necessarily, just befriending people with similar interests can work too.

Poor people who were born not communicative or should work, and not only talk whole day
Like draw 8 hours every day or draw 4 hours and talk 4 hours? We are not a business company that need to talk with all - we are artists, who draw and talk only if it is about the work.

I have people that talk with me - it can takes time, and better for me they are not a lot at we are talking not too often, so I can find enough time for them, but it doesn't work as a "advertisement"
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
From what I read, these reminders have to be completely different. No duplicates. How do you advertise a ych when you can't show it more than once?
Mostly it is deleted and reposted
But 1 reminder every 8 hours and no more than 3 submissions ( no matter how much YCHs you remind in one post)
 

Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
Poor people who were born not communicative or should work, and not only talk whole day
Like draw 8 hours every day or draw 4 hours and talk 4 hours? We are not a business company that need to talk with all - we are artists, who draw and talk only if it is about the work.

I have people that talk with me - it can takes time, and better for me they are not a lot at we are talking not too often, so I can find enough time for them, but it doesn't work as a "advertisement"
You really draw 8 hours a day straight? if you do, that's some crazy endurance, and I even wonder where you find the inspiration to do that. But if you have some procrastination time, you can use it browsing for inspiration and meeting people with similar interests
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
i personally don't see the problem. you're still able to post reminders several times a day. i can't imagine there's much detriment to your profit not being allowed to post reminders every 30 minutes like a lot of artists did. if anything, i think it's a benefit considering you're annoying less people and aren't driving them away from future work.

don't get me wrong, a filter would have been way WAY better than what they put in place, but since FA's devs aren't the greatest, this is what we have to live with, and i honestly don't think it's that bad.
What if someone posted it once a 3-4 hours and didn't annoy you + if he do a new reminder he deleted the old one and this were deleted from your S.
Or how should we let you know about a YCH, if you have around 50 arts above it and will never pay attention to it.. 4 was okay, but 8 it's a big problem
Especially if you have not at least 2000 watchers...
 

Rayd

bullshit detective
From what I read, these reminders have to be completely different. No duplicates. How do you advertise a ych when you can't show it more than once?
like others have said, i believe the rule is that you're allowed to post duplicates every 8 hours as long as you delete the other ones. we could be wrong though.

if that is the case, i honestly think that's enough. just in my honest opinion. chances are whatever watchers that are interested will see it, and that any newcomers/anyone searching for YCH in the browse section will see it was well. i seriously don't think people flooding the browse page is any better than what it is now, cause you'd just be fighting all the other artists who are spamming reminders anyways. i think it's better for both artists and commissioners.
 
Haha, maybe I shouldn't have said "not profitable", I guess it is, if you say so, but it's "effective" in the same way as spam advertisement is. It annoys most people.
As for time, everything takes time. If you have time to spam a website with reminders, you also have time to build an audience, which may take more effort, but is much more reliable : rather than maybe hitting a few potentially interested people at random, it snowballs potential customers, and more loyal at that. For just some extra time and effort, you can build something that once it's built, will work for you on its own, as opposed to spamming which you'll have to constantly do.

You propose a way that annoys people no less than reminders. how do you imagine sales through communication. should I write to each potential client in messages that he bought my work? In your opinion, is this not more intrusive, especially if you imagine that many will do so?

so that it is not intrusive, communication should be close, and it takes 1000 times more time than reminders.
it is impossible to have a permanent audience, because people stop interfering in it, their interests change
until you find 10 loyal friends of customers, 20 subscribers will leave you.
If you really use this method, I'm sorry that you missed a great opportunity.
Thanks to the reminders, I was able to get here twice as much salary in Ukraine. just selling auctions and sketches.
 

Frank Gulotta

Send us your floppy
You propose a way that annoys people no less than reminders. how do you imagine sales through communication. should I write to each potential client in messages that he bought my work? In your opinion, is this not more intrusive, especially if you imagine that many will do so?
That's not what I meant
Nevermind
 

Rayd

bullshit detective
What if someone posted it once a 3-4 hours and didn't annoy you + if he do a new reminder he deleted the old one and this were deleted from your S.
Or how should we let you know about a YCH, if you have around 50 arts above it and will never pay attention to it.. 4 was okay, but 8 it's a big problem
Especially if you have not at least 2000 watchers...
i don't know about other people, but i look through all my submission notifications regardless of watching close to a thousand people. i don't think very many would miss it, especially if they aren't watching as many people as i am.
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
You really draw 8 hours a day straight? if you do, that's some crazy endurance, and I even wonder where you find the inspiration to do that. But if you have some procrastination time, you can use it browsing for inspiration and meeting people with similar interests

I do. Wake up at 7:30 AM, prepare for studies, cause it's not summer yet, and if the lesson is not too hard - I start working
Let's pretend that while I study I have 2 hours a day when I can draw (sometimes more).Also can take care about the apartment,clear all, cooking and making as fast as possible all tests and study stuff + From 2PM till 10PM I'm working again.
I take care about FA, debts, notes, Patreon and things I offer, create Videos and making them looking good and comfy to watch
I have 1 day free ( when I work or 3 hours or don't at all) cause I spend my time with my loved person. When I hadn't this person my work time were 8-10 hours 7 days a week
Sometimes I don't cook cause I work and all food are doing by someone else and just giving to my work place. This is how some of us works and why we can't show us without reminders and stuff.
 
like others have said, i believe the rule is that you're allowed to post duplicates every 8 hours as long as you delete the other ones. we could be wrong though.

if that is the case, i honestly think that's enough. just in my honest opinion. chances are whatever watchers that are interested will see it, and that any newcomers/anyone searching for YCH in the browse section will see it was well. i seriously don't think people flooding the browse page is any better than what it is now, cause you'd just be fighting all the other artists who are spamming reminders anyways. i think it's better for both artists and commissioners.

When your work can be seen every 4 hours, there is no competition. when they see you 3 times in 8 hours, then the battle for reminders really begins. Anyone who succeeds in deceiving the administration will break the rules and sell it. Why do you think someone is fighting for reminders? Maybe because this is the most effective way of advertising, or do you think that their goal is simply to annoy people? There are whims, but there are market rules, without which the product cannot be created, if tomorrow people write that they don’t want to see the reminder at all and they will be deleted, you will lose everything that you like so much. and people who trust this site as work will starve to death.
 
i don't know about other people, but i look through all my submission notifications regardless of watching close to a thousand people. i don't think very many would miss it, especially if they aren't watching as many people as i am.

You said you were browsing 1,000 pages, how much do you buy from what you’ve viewed?
 
I think that the administration should pay a penalty to the artists. it’s a betrayal on their part, especially during a pandemic, when it is generally impossible to find work. People invested time and resources. they put their lives on this, and now they are suddenly left without work, prospects and at least some kind of understanding on the part of the administration and the audience, which only repeats "prohibit reminder! prohibit ych! prohibit advertising!"
 

Rayd

bullshit detective
When your work can be seen every 4 hours, there is no competition. when they see you 3 times in 8 hours, then the battle for reminders really begins. Anyone who succeeds in deceiving the administration will break the rules and sell it. Why do you think someone is fighting for reminders? Maybe because this is the most effective way of advertising, or do you think that their goal is simply to annoy people? There are whims, but there are market rules, without which the product cannot be created, if tomorrow people write that they don’t want to see the reminder at all and they will be deleted, you will lose everything that you like so much. and people who trust this site as work will starve to death.
you've continuously misunderstood what people are saying. nobody's fighting anyone for reminders right now since you can only post so many a day, which i deem as better than everyone posting a reminder every 30 minutes or an hour, where you were fighting people for reminders. either way you'd be struggling to be seen, but more people would be able to see you in the former because they can search for YCH's and find you without scrolling through hundreds of pages. pick your poison.
 

Lutro

Writer
So a ton of replies happened since my last one, mostly in the form of "FA isn't an art gallery it's a 'site for artists' and a different platform will be moved to if FA doesn't reverse this change."
  1. FA is a gallery already. It's not "going to head that way", it is that.
  2. A status of a site does not lean on whether or not you can freely and without inhibition, spam advertisements in people's feeds.
  3. You can still advertise several times a day. This point in my original post was never really addressed.
  4. If you are earnestly trying to start a living through YCH/art/etc., repeatedly spamming advertisements through non-advertising channels isn't going to do much for you. And if it's a hobby you're after, then sometimes hobbies cost money in order to make money. The "I want to advertise to the masses, but for free" thing doesn't tend to fly very far. (And despite this, see point #3!)
  5. I agree that a filter would be best. Giving options to users or ways to search one way or the other would be vastly preferred. But this content policy change is not going to 'destroy the site' or cause massive waves. It'll cut down on the spam, though, which is a net positive.
And I speak as someone who does do commissions for a hobby, so don't think me blind to the consequences of not being able to spread via word-of-mouth or other means.

The site’s audience is concentrated in the viewing section, so art promotion is only possible there. there is no alternative, because advertising on the site is useless, and if there is no opportunity to advertise, then there will be no new art. What promotion opportunities are you talking about? Have you tried to promote your creativity?

Advertising works. It's why it still exists, even if it's not as effective as the days where users didn't have a choice but to see them everywhere. It's why, to this day, you still see them. There's a vast difference between "it's less useful" and "it's useless."

Further, you are not entitled to advertise through the "viewing section" just because it'd be more profitable to you (i.e. it's free vs paid advertising content). This is despite the fact that, again, FA does indeed still let you, several times a day, without consequence.

I have promoted my creativity. By posting my works. It's a hobby for me, but that alone has garnered some interest. Your creativity does not hinge on whether or not you can spam YCH reminders with impunity.
 

Lutro

Writer
I think that the administration should pay a penalty to the artists. it’s a betrayal on their part, especially during a pandemic, when it is generally impossible to find work. People invested time and resources. they put their lives on this, and now they are suddenly left without work, prospects and at least some kind of understanding on the part of the administration and the audience, which only repeats "prohibit reminder! prohibit ych! prohibit advertising!"
Yeah you need a reality check, sorry to say. This is a web site. You are not contracted with FA, nor the other way around. They are under no obligation to "owe" artists anything, including if they just up and disappeared tomorrow with no explanation.

If this is your livelihood, do not depend on a single web site. Not unless you have a contract inked or the web site is your own. It's as simple as that.
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
So a ton of replies happened since my last one, mostly in the form of "FA isn't an art gallery it's a 'site for artists' and a different platform will be moved to if FA doesn't reverse this change."
  1. FA is a gallery already. It's not "going to head that way", it is that.
  2. A status of a site does not lean on whether or not you can freely and without inhibition, spam advertisements in people's feeds.
  3. You can still advertise several times a day. This point in my original post was never really addressed.
  4. If you are earnestly trying to start a living through YCH/art/etc., repeatedly spamming advertisements through non-advertising channels isn't going to do much for you. And if it's a hobby you're after, then sometimes hobbies cost money in order to make money. The "I want to advertise to the masses, but for free" thing doesn't tend to fly very far. (And despite this, see point #3!)
  5. I agree that a filter would be best. Giving options to users or ways to search one way or the other would be vastly preferred. But this content policy change is not going to 'destroy the site' or cause massive waves. It'll cut down on the spam, though, which is a net positive.
And I speak as someone who does do commissions for a hobby, so don't think me blind to the consequences of not being able to spread via word-of-mouth or other means.



Advertising works. It's why it still exists, even if it's not as effective as the days where users didn't have a choice but to see them everywhere. It's why, to this day, you still see them. There's a vast difference between "it's less useful" and "it's useless."

Further, you are not entitled to advertise through the "viewing section" just because it'd be more profitable to you (i.e. it's free vs paid advertising content). This is despite the fact that, again, FA does indeed still let you, several times a day, without consequence.

I have promoted my creativity. By posting my works. It's a hobby for me, but that alone has garnered some interest. Your creativity does not hinge on whether or not you can spam YCH reminders with impunity.
So by using it as a hobby you don't feel the same as using it as a main work.
If I don't have sales I lose everything in my life. Better for me that I love to draw, but I still buy food from it..
Reminders once a 4 hours? It is around 6 reminders per day.
Now it is 8 hours. That is 3 reminders per day.
Including the fact that we sleep or have other stuff to do it was 4 reminders per day and now it is 1-2 maximum, and no matter how much YCHs you have - maximum 3 submissions
Nice
Stats are stats, and they show, that the activity is lower
 
Yeah you need a reality check, sorry to say. This is a web site. You are not contracted with FA, nor the other way around. They are under no obligation to "owe" artists anything, including if they just up and disappeared tomorrow with no explanation.

If this is your livelihood, do not depend on a single web site. Not unless you have a contract inked or the web site is your own. It's as simple as that.
Think that's just the frustration of speaking. He doesn't mean evil. But yes a filter will give what we need or a change to the old 4h limit. Could someone tell me how much you could post then because I couldn't find anything. But also have to see that very few artists like to do something for free. What is nothing bad than hoppy or jop to condemn something is not bad. Especially at the moment. We don't have to bark at each other. Better we collect enough people that we also make the admins aware of it. Because I would like a solution because with the old rule it worked. Or filtering YCH things like that. I looked around and didn't really find other sites where it could be bundled up.
 
So a ton of replies happened since my last one, mostly in the form of "FA isn't an art gallery it's a 'site for artists' and a different platform will be moved to if FA doesn't reverse this change."
  1. FA is a gallery already. It's not "going to head that way", it is that.
  2. A status of a site does not lean on whether or not you can freely and without inhibition, spam advertisements in people's feeds.
  3. You can still advertise several times a day. This point in my original post was never really addressed.
  4. If you are earnestly trying to start a living through YCH/art/etc., repeatedly spamming advertisements through non-advertising channels isn't going to do much for you. And if it's a hobby you're after, then sometimes hobbies cost money in order to make money. The "I want to advertise to the masses, but for free" thing doesn't tend to fly very far. (And despite this, see point #3!)
  5. I agree that a filter would be best. Giving options to users or ways to search one way or the other would be vastly preferred. But this content policy change is not going to 'destroy the site' or cause massive waves. It'll cut down on the spam, though, which is a net positive.
And I speak as someone who does do commissions for a hobby, so don't think me blind to the consequences of not being able to spread via word-of-mouth or other means.



Advertising works. It's why it still exists, even if it's not as effective as the days where users didn't have a choice but to see them everywhere. It's why, to this day, you still see them. There's a vast difference between "it's less useful" and "it's useless."

Further, you are not entitled to advertise through the "viewing section" just because it'd be more profitable to you (i.e. it's free vs paid advertising content). This is despite the fact that, again, FA does indeed still let you, several times a day, without consequence.

I have promoted my creativity. By posting my works. It's a hobby for me, but that alone has garnered some interest. Your creativity does not hinge on whether or not you can spam YCH reminders with impunity.



The status of the site directly depends on the possibilities of implementing yourself as an artist on it and on the requirements of the audience of the site.
Several times a day, this is the same thing, which is inefficient and makes no sense. That is why many have to break the rules

It is possible to sell as a hobby, but we are talking about the fact that people for whom this is the main income are doomed to death.
Some artists will seriously suffer because the main stimulus for the development of creativity was the money that they could receive from this.

Let's be honest, what this site is about determines the audience that is on it. On the site you can clearly divide several groups of people. There are those who just want to earn money and provide for their lives. Those who are here just for communication and searching for like-minded people, those who just like to share their skills, most often they make calls and those who just watch and evaluate other people's creativity. Innovation affects the first group of people, which is also part of the community. In order for me to feed myself and pay for the accommodation I need approximately $ 1,500 per month. Until this moment, the site allowed me to do this. Now throughout the whole time I had only one order from a person who was subscribed to me. You offer to cling to the latest opportunities, but miss the damage that has been done to a separate group of people on the site.

I am sure there will be people who are ready to draw for the sake of a hobby and for free, but I assure you that you will not see my work and the work of many other artists.

A hobby comes and goes. At work, people are ready to be constantly if it brings them decent money.

You said about free advertising, so let the administration make reminders paid. I am ready to pay for it because I consider this the only way to effectively advertise.

Resenting reminders is like resenting advertising on torrent sites. There are resources where you can pay for a subscription and watch the artist’s work without advertising banners and reminders. FA is a free gallery.

If reminders were not so effective they would not be used by almost all artists.
 

AnnVee

Anthro Artist
Let them set the rules like " every 4 hours reminders are able to do only FA+ Subscribers "
They get money, the subscriber don't violate the rules. Also a good way.
 

Doberman_Moralist

New Member
Hi, after a series of dubious bans, I was scared to write here not anonymously, but still got the courage and here I am.
I have been selling my work for 2 years. I was in a very difficult life situation, I could lose my home and it was difficult for me to find money even for food. I suffer from endogenous depression, in my country this is referred to as severe mental disorder. With this diagnosis, impossible to get a job. I often have to drink prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants. I cannot get out of bed at this time. There are times when I have to take tranquillizers, then I have problems even with drawing because of serious side effects.

Over the course of 2 years, I actively developed my work, post reminders every 4 hours. During this time, I scored about 4,000 subscribers. I I didn’t have enough time and energy for some kind of communication with customers since there is a price limit that you can set and a limited number of people who will be interested in your ychs, so I had to draw a lot of orders and ychs, and there wasn’t enough time for the rest. Being able to sell something here solved all my problems. For the first time in my life, I ate normally, did not experience financial difficulties and was not in danger of becoming homeless. This is the only job I could do.

I naively believed that this would go on forever, but everything I did was destroyed in an instant, as soon as the administration forbade the promotion of artworks.in for a reason unknown to me, I was banned for 9 days(total number of days), while bots terrorized my page, and the administration ignored this problem and did not explain the reason for the ban. As it turned out later, I was banned for those rules that were not on the site, but they were added later. Now I am only convinced that the possibility of earning here is completely closed. For all the time I sold just a few artworks to regular customers. This is 1/100 of what I had before the innovations in the rules. The new rules were a shock to me because earlier I had not encountered a negative reaction from the reminders. I could not think that this could harm anyone, because this is an established part of the market without which we can not sell art.

I do not see further development paths. From not to take my own life, I am restrained by a sense of duty to customers, to whom I did not have time to draw art, if everything goes on like this. In a couple of weeks I will return to where was 2 years ago. I can’t pay for the rented apartment, I can’t get paid treatment and I can’t buy food for myself. The only remaining option is to go to a psychiatric hospital for state support, but can this be called life?

I ask you to think carefully about the administration of the site and users before taking such drastic measures. Competition before that was quite complicated, but now we are completely deprived of the opportunity to sell something. I think it would be wise to lay out reminders every 2 hours, but certainly not completely remove them. There is no global indignation only because some still circumvent the rules and enjoy the tape free from competitors
 

Rayd

bullshit detective
Hi, after a series of dubious bans, I was scared to write here not anonymously, but still got the courage and here I am.
I have been selling my work for 2 years. I was in a very difficult life situation, I could lose my home and it was difficult for me to find money even for food. I suffer from endogenous depression, in my country this is referred to as severe mental disorder. With this diagnosis, impossible to get a job. I often have to drink prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants. I cannot get out of bed at this time. There are times when I have to take tranquillizers, then I have problems even with drawing because of serious side effects.

Over the course of 2 years, I actively developed my work, post reminders every 4 hours. During this time, I scored about 4,000 subscribers. I I didn’t have enough time and energy for some kind of communication with customers since there is a price limit that you can set and a limited number of people who will be interested in your ychs, so I had to draw a lot of orders and ychs, and there wasn’t enough time for the rest. Being able to sell something here solved all my problems. For the first time in my life, I ate normally, did not experience financial difficulties and was not in danger of becoming homeless. This is the only job I could do.

I naively believed that this would go on forever, but everything I did was destroyed in an instant, as soon as the administration forbade the promotion of artworks.in for a reason unknown to me, I was banned for 9 days(total number of days), while bots terrorized my page, and the administration ignored this problem and did not explain the reason for the ban. As it turned out later, I was banned for those rules that were not on the site, but they were added later. Now I am only convinced that the possibility of earning here is completely closed. For all the time I sold just a few artworks to regular customers. This is 1/100 of what I had before the innovations in the rules. The new rules were a shock to me because earlier I had not encountered a negative reaction from the reminders. I could not think that this could harm anyone, because this is an established part of the market without which we can not sell art.

I do not see further development paths. From not to take my own life, I am restrained by a sense of duty to customers, to whom I did not have time to draw art, if everything goes on like this. In a couple of weeks I will return to where was 2 years ago. I can’t pay for the rented apartment, I can’t get paid treatment and I can’t buy food for myself. The only remaining option is to go to a psychiatric hospital for state support, but can this be called life?

I ask you to think carefully about the administration of the site and users before taking such drastic measures. Competition before that was quite complicated, but now we are completely deprived of the opportunity to sell something. I think it would be wise to lay out reminders every 2 hours, but certainly not completely remove them. There is no global indignation only because some still circumvent the rules and enjoy the tape free from competitors

i read your entire post, and respectfully speaking, i still very much believe that 2-3 reminders a day is enough for people to still see and buy your ych's. by no means is FA forbidding your ability to advertise your work. i'm sorry about your situation, but whenever i see talk about artists in financial troubles, talking about how they can't make rent and can't find a job for mental reasons, i just wince. because while you're still capable of finding work through freelancing, there are those who lack the skill necessary to do that and don't have a method of income at all. you're making something out of a shitty situation while others don't have that opportunity. so whenever artists in these situations use this sort of story to sway objective conversation, it frustrates me. one of the most commonly said things about freelancing is that you should never do it as a full-time job unless you know your income may be unstable at times, and whether you're sure you can handle that, whether you supposedly can't find other jobs or not. as difficult as it can be to tell at times, FA is going to do what's best for all their users, not just troubled artists. my personal advice would be - don't do freelancing as your sole method of income unless you know you can make enough money from it to be stable. maybe it's not FA's responsibility to change your situation, but your's.
 

Lutro

Writer
So by using it as a hobby you don't feel the same as using it as a main work.
If I don't have sales I lose everything in my life. Better for me that I love to draw, but I still buy food from it..
Reminders once a 4 hours? It is around 6 reminders per day.
Now it is 8 hours. That is 3 reminders per day.
Including the fact that we sleep or have other stuff to do it was 4 reminders per day and now it is 1-2 maximum, and no matter how much YCHs you have - maximum 3 submissions
Nice
Stats are stats, and they show, that the activity is lower

Never denied lower activity. And I'll repeat: If putting food on the table requires you to use a web site's free services in order to make money, you're going to have a bad time. If you are genuinely serious, you either need to get a non-commisison-based job, or suck it up and purchase advertising and get something official going. You will. Not. Survive. On freelance pay. If you are relying solely on FurAffinity to not only be up and running, but to strictly require twice the advertising.

It sucks that you'll take a hit. But FA is not under any obligation to be your free advertising platform. Pay for it, or find venues to supplement your advertising and work.

The status of the site directly depends on the possibilities of implementing yourself as an artist on it and on the requirements of the audience of the site.
Several times a day, this is the same thing, which is inefficient and makes no sense. That is why many have to break the rules

It is possible to sell as a hobby, but we are talking about the fact that people for whom this is the main income are doomed to death.
Some artists will seriously suffer because the main stimulus for the development of creativity was the money that they could receive from this.

Let's be honest, what this site is about determines the audience that is on it. On the site you can clearly divide several groups of people. There are those who just want to earn money and provide for their lives. Those who are here just for communication and searching for like-minded people, those who just like to share their skills, most often they make calls and those who just watch and evaluate other people's creativity. Innovation affects the first group of people, which is also part of the community. In order for me to feed myself and pay for the accommodation I need approximately $ 1,500 per month. Until this moment, the site allowed me to do this. Now throughout the whole time I had only one order from a person who was subscribed to me. You offer to cling to the latest opportunities, but miss the damage that has been done to a separate group of people on the site.

I am sure there will be people who are ready to draw for the sake of a hobby and for free, but I assure you that you will not see my work and the work of many other artists.

A hobby comes and goes. At work, people are ready to be constantly if it brings them decent money.

You said about free advertising, so let the administration make reminders paid. I am ready to pay for it because I consider this the only way to effectively advertise.

Resenting reminders is like resenting advertising on torrent sites. There are resources where you can pay for a subscription and watch the artist’s work without advertising banners and reminders. FA is a free gallery.

If reminders were not so effective they would not be used by almost all artists.

See most of my above reply. If this is your literal livelihood, you have to get serious about it and not depend on a free service remaining free forever.

Reminders are "resented" because they clog the gallery up. You don't mind it, because you thrive on it (financially). Imagine, however, if you were searching for entertainment on YouTube, and 8 out of 10 of those videos were just advertisements. You'd probably be a little resentful of them, particularly if they repeated every 2 pages or so, advertising the exact same thing. Try to understand that it is not some resentment against *artists*, just *spam*.

Additionally, I repeat: This site does not live or die based on the amount of advertising it freely allows in galleries. Please stop trying to be some faux-advocate for the "purity of the art gallery."

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Nothing justifies breaking this particular rule, outside "I do not want to change what I'm doing, make the same amount of money, and continue using FA as a free advertising venue the way that I have been."
 

Lutro

Writer
Hi, after a series of dubious bans, I was scared to write here not anonymously, but still got the courage and here I am.
I have been selling my work for 2 years. I was in a very difficult life situation, I could lose my home and it was difficult for me to find money even for food. I suffer from endogenous depression, in my country this is referred to as severe mental disorder. With this diagnosis, impossible to get a job. I often have to drink prescription antipsychotics and antidepressants. I cannot get out of bed at this time. There are times when I have to take tranquillizers, then I have problems even with drawing because of serious side effects.

Over the course of 2 years, I actively developed my work, post reminders every 4 hours. During this time, I scored about 4,000 subscribers. I I didn’t have enough time and energy for some kind of communication with customers since there is a price limit that you can set and a limited number of people who will be interested in your ychs, so I had to draw a lot of orders and ychs, and there wasn’t enough time for the rest. Being able to sell something here solved all my problems. For the first time in my life, I ate normally, did not experience financial difficulties and was not in danger of becoming homeless. This is the only job I could do.

I naively believed that this would go on forever, but everything I did was destroyed in an instant, as soon as the administration forbade the promotion of artworks.in for a reason unknown to me, I was banned for 9 days(total number of days), while bots terrorized my page, and the administration ignored this problem and did not explain the reason for the ban. As it turned out later, I was banned for those rules that were not on the site, but they were added later. Now I am only convinced that the possibility of earning here is completely closed. For all the time I sold just a few artworks to regular customers. This is 1/100 of what I had before the innovations in the rules. The new rules were a shock to me because earlier I had not encountered a negative reaction from the reminders. I could not think that this could harm anyone, because this is an established part of the market without which we can not sell art.

I do not see further development paths. From not to take my own life, I am restrained by a sense of duty to customers, to whom I did not have time to draw art, if everything goes on like this. In a couple of weeks I will return to where was 2 years ago. I can’t pay for the rented apartment, I can’t get paid treatment and I can’t buy food for myself. The only remaining option is to go to a psychiatric hospital for state support, but can this be called life?

I ask you to think carefully about the administration of the site and users before taking such drastic measures. Competition before that was quite complicated, but now we are completely deprived of the opportunity to sell something. I think it would be wise to lay out reminders every 2 hours, but certainly not completely remove them. There is no global indignation only because some still circumvent the rules and enjoy the tape free from competitors

You will be fine with the advertising you can do still, on top of the fact that you have more watchers/subscribers than a lot of people do (artists willing to commission or otherwise).
 
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