a request to rethink. From the Rules

[Raever]

Before that, it was ideal for promoting goods, but they transfer it to a regular art gallery without even asking the community

The website has never been anything other than a platform to share art. Artists can use it to sell art - but it was never made with that intent, and isn't updated with that intent. FA cares about user experience, if it wanted to be a store as much as a gallery it would have a shopping cart icon and a checkout tab.

Stating anything more comes across as, again, entitlement towards a free platform. I wouldn't get mad at sofurry, tumblr, wattpad, or whatever other writing-style site that exists for not letting me advertise my writing twice as much as I already am...because at the end of the day it's a free platform.

Same logic applies.

 

[Raever]

@Aprilycan
Aaand it ended on blocking me instead on giving their points.
So yeah, you can't just complain about something then don't give a solution from this, and both ways don't get affected.
Hope this gets a good end for everyone and no one has to leave the page for any reason.

Sometimes when people do nothing but argue, someone has to be the bigger person and back off. This applies to both sides, and isn't meant as anything malicious. I wouldn't point out his choice as anything other than the respectful thing to do.

 

[FenrisNordwind]

Sometimes when people do nothing but argue, someone has to be the bigger person and back off. This applies to both sides, and isn't meant as anything malicious. I wouldn't point out his choice as anything other than the respectful thing to do.

You don't have to go into everything said, it's simple

The website has never been anything other than a platform to share art. Artists can use it to sell art - but it was never made with that intent, and isn't updated with that intent. FA cares about user experience, if it wanted to be a store as much as a gallery it would have a shopping cart icon and a checkout tab.

Stating anything more comes across as, again, entitlement towards a free platform. I wouldn't get mad at sofurry, tumblr, wattpad, or whatever other writing-style site that exists for not letting me advertise my writing twice as much as I already am...because at the end of the day it's a free platform.

Same logic applies.

Yes, but it has also become one of the largest places where you can buy art. would be a waste if you miss this option. Who says it can't be.

 

[Pipistrele]

Each for himself chooses how to use the art site. Before that, it was ideal for promoting goods, but they transfer it to a regular art gallery without even asking the community for opinion, except for provocations on your part, I see nothing.

New rules are created for site users. in making a decision, the administration must rely on the real needs of the audience and find compromises. When the rules are introduced that oppress a certain group of people, this can be considered discrimination, in my opinion it contradicts the ideals of the furry community, where there is no place for hatred, oppression and indifference. We must hear each other and understand.

I hope that the administration will take into account the opinion of a significant part of the community and find more reasonable solutions.

That's the thing - community voiced its opinion on overabundance of advertisement in the gallery for years at this point, and if anything, the new system greatly benefits the audience by removing the bloat of reminders and making the place more comfortable for checking out actual artwork. The only "oppressed" people in this situation are commercial artists who now can't excessively ruin the experience for everyone else by spamming the heck out of it for their personal monetary gain.

In a way, this reaction reminds me on when YouTube cracked down on sensationalist clickbait videos by changing their algorithm to prioritize time over clicks, and how said clickbaity creators started complaining about losing income. I mean, you're "playing the system" by using site's features for unintended purposes (in this case, using submissions as commercial space) - more power and income to you if it works, but don't pretend like FA somehow screwed you over once said loophole gets closed.

 

[Deleted member 115426]

Man everyone is blocking me left and right.

 

[Raever]

You don't have to go into everything said, it's simple

You don't know my life.
I could have a spell cast on me.
(In all honesty; I am aware. I choose to say what I want, is that so terrible?)

Yes, but it has also become one of the largest places where you can buy art. would be a waste if you miss this option. Who says it can't be.

Promote art. Not buy art. Artists can still promote themselves. That hasn't been stolen from anyone. If it was - I think all of us would be equally in rage mode.

The only "oppressed" people in this situation are commercial artists who now can't excessively ruin the experience for everyone else by spamming the heck out of it for their personal monetary gain.

Pretty sure the majority will agree with you on this one, well said.

 

[ShizuMoh]

That's the thing - community voiced its opinion on overabundance of advertisement in the gallery for years at this point, and if anything, the new system greatly benefits the audience by removing the bloat of reminders and making the place more comfortable for checking out actual artwork. The only "oppressed" people in this situation are commercial artists who now can't excessively ruin the experience for everyone else by spamming the heck out of it for their personal monetary gain.

In a way, this reaction reminds me on when YouTube cracked down on sensationalist clickbait videos by changing their algorithm to prioritize time over clicks, and how said clickbaity creators started complaining about losing income. I mean, you're "playing the system" by using site's features for unintended purposes (in this case, using submissions as commercial space) - more power and income to you if it works, but don't pretend like FA somehow screwed you over once said loophole gets closed.

The need for the artist to get money and don't die is bigger than the need of the user to have a comfy space to search and look for stuff. It's cruel, it's whatever you want it to be, but it's like that.
FA has become one of the biggest site for artist to advertise their art and get money from that, I can bet it has helped a lot of people.
For the staff is waaay easier just putting a rule and that's it, instead of doing bigger changes that they have been needing it for a lot of time.
I mean, without the money they collect without the ads from the artists, would they be able to maintain the page up to this day?

 

[Raever]

The need for the artist to get money and don't die is bigger than the need of the user to have a comfy space to search and look for stuff.

If the threat of death is imminent it's time to look into a more reliable and stable field of work.

Furthermore, the site is made for users to be comfy and stare at art, not buy art. If you wish to have a website purely for the purpose of selling art, go to places like redbubble or Etsy and make a shop. In any case, you'd still need to put in more effort to expand - over just spamming reminders on one site to take advantage of a loop hole that the devs cleaned up.

Sorry if that hurts.

FA has become one of the biggest site for artist to advertise their art

Advertising hasn't been taken away.
If the lower advertisement opportunities have taken money away, maybe you shouldn't be using FA as a sole source of advertisement.

For the staff is waaay easier just putting a rule and that's it, instead of doing bigger changes that they have been needing it for a lot of time.

Staff fixed something lots of people complained over. If they want to implement future changes for art sales I completely support this so long as it doesn't add more clutter. Clutter is an eyesore for everyone, even other artists.

I mean, without the money they collect without the ads from the artists, would they be able to maintain the page up to this day?

Probably.

Not to sound cynical but, I highly doubt the artists are the main source of site income. Even if it was, it's not hard to keep a site up and running without direct artist advertisements. They'd find other ways. If anything the artist banners help artists more than FA themselves in the grand scheme of things.

 

[ExBesh]

I understand.
This rules don't right.

I work in FA too, and it's a my main earnings. I'm a disability second group, I have a mental illness and me very hard to work. I don't can to work in real life, I don't have energy.
I saving money because I want to move in Russia, where I can to get a citizenship and will go to the normal psychiatrist. I live in Uzbekistan and we don't have a
paid psychiatry and normal doctors too.
I want to have a friends in real life and normal and calm life and etc.

This rules reduced my earnings and my adoptables began to be sold less often.
I hope, that administration FA will understand people, who to work on FA.

I'm sorry for my English, I bad know it.

 

[Tina]

It is wrong to compare YouTube and fa in this case///​

As mentioned above, advertising on the fa is useless. in fact, the only advertising opportunity was in the reminders. You need to call a spade a spade. Not a loophole, but the only way to advance.

In the case of YouTube, users were provided with alternatives in the form of advertising at the beginning of the video, which in terms of effectiveness is equivalent to clickbait, banners. users were also given the opportunity to buy ads from each other without imposing any restrictions on it.

In the case of fa, no effective alternatives were presented, and the artists found themselves in a hopeless situation. This explains the number of violators of the new rules, as well as this branch of discussion. These are the consequences that we received after the innovations, and this is only the beginning. I agree with what has been said above regarding the impoverishment of content and the departure of many artists from the resource.​

 

[FenrisNordwind]

@Raever
You don't know my life.
I could have a spell cast on me.
(In all honesty; I am aware. I choose to say what I want, is that so terrible?)


No no Sorry that shouldn't sound so harsh, just discussing what didn't bring. Instead of collecting ideas.

 

[Pipistrele]

The need for the artist to get money and don't die is bigger than the need of the user to have a comfy space to search and look for stuff. It's cruel, it's whatever you want it to be, but it's like that.
FA has become one of the biggest site for artist to advertise their art and get money from that, I can bet it has helped a lot of people.

I don't want to be rude, but it's hard for me to "think of the artists" who may be majorly affected by the policy change, when said artists actively abuse the platform and contribute to its gradual pollution. By spamming the gallery with excessive advertisement, artists primarily succeed at driving away viewers in long term to protect their skin in short term. Besides, it's not that much of a "life and death" scenario - you can still advertise on it (just in smaller portions, which encourages quality over quantity), you can spread out to other platforms, you can establish your base, etc. In this very thread, there are several examples of artists who didn't get affected by the policy, exactly because they took some effort to establish sustainable and legitimate base instead of putting all eggs in one basket on inherently fragile tactic.

For the staff is waaay easier just putting a rule and that's it, instead of doing bigger changes that they have been needing it for a lot of time.

Naturally it is. But point stands - for the actual audience of the site, the rule is generally for the better - even if it's now up to artists to adapt to the change.

I mean, without the money they collect without the ads from the artists, would they be able to maintain the page up to this day?

I don't think FA collected all that much money from artists who spammed reminders. If anything, now that the gallery is less poluted, it may attract more audience, which means more views, which means more revenue on ads.

 

[ShizuMoh]

If the threat of death is imminent it's time to look into a more reliable and stable field of work.

Furthermore, the site is made for users to be comfy and stare at art, not buy art. If you wish to have a website purely for the purpose of selling art, go to places like redbubble or Etsy and make a shop. In any case, you'd still need to put in more effort to expand - over just spamming reminders on one site to take advantage of a loop hole that the devs cleaned up.

Sorry if that hurts.



Advertising hasn't been taken away.
If the lower advertisement opportunities have taken money away, maybe you shouldn't be using FA as a sole source of advertisement.



Staff fixed something lots of people complained over. If they want to implement future changes for art sales I completely support this so long as it doesn't add more clutter. Clutter is an eyesore for everyone, even other artists.



Probably.

Not to sound cynical but, I highly doubt the artists are the main source of site income. Even if it was, it's not hard to keep a sit up and running without direct artist advertisements. They'd find other ways. If anything the artist banners help artists more than FA themselves in the grand scheme of things.

I'm having way more incomes than someone of my age working in this country - Isn't a case of ''inminent death'', but I don't like staying a whole day without eating, because again, it is pretty much erasy said than done. Not saying they're responsible by that, but isn't the way to go.

I know it doesn't erases at all the advertising, but again, the gap within 4 hours to 8 hours is huge for small artists and for auctions, let's say 3 of every 10 reminders I upload of just a YCH gets a bidder, and it makes us feel we're losing way more time and bids that could have been done if our reminders wouldn't be flooded in the main page by the ammount of submissions and the small quantity you get to see in the principal page.

Then what would it be? They also added FA+ and the ones with it I've seen are, well, artists. The actual incomes they have and yet their page is still messy in some ways.

Heck, I even would be fine with 5~6 hours instead of 8, I feel it was more a way of ''getting out the complains'', but now that rule is affecting a group of persons in a more severe way, but even if they're a small group, we all need to support each other tbh.

 

[SSJ3Mewtwo]

Locking this for review. I've gotten multiple reports about this thread.