About Female Homosexuality...

[Amiir]

First off I want to start by saying that I don't want to piss anyone off with this. This is just a mere impression, take it for what it is.

So basically, I have the impression that female homosexuality is slightly more tolerated than male homosexuality. They're both stigmatized, I'm fully aware of it, it's just that it looks like people are slightly more ok with a girl being lesbian than a boy being gay. I'm not trying to be victimistic here or to satisfy some twisted inferiority complex: again, this is just a mere genuine impression that would be interesting to see being discussed. I also know that I could very well be wrong since, admittedly, I don't have much experience on the matter. Educate me.


I think this is due to traditional relationship roles: by tradition, the man holds the dominant position in a couple, whereas the woman, still by traditon, more or less occupies a generally submissive role. So to see a man occupying a more submissive role is seen as downgrading and, to some, even emasculating (in a metaphorical sense, of course), power bottom or not. On the other hand, for a woman to occupy a dominant role is seen as wrong, I guess? Because that role is traditionally occupied by man? I don't know, I'm looking for your input people.

So what do you people think? Do you have the same impression? Or do you think that I'm saying complete utter bullshit? I'm quite curious.

 

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

2 girls fucking each other
Straight men fap to it


2 men fucking each other
Straight women are repulsed by it

 

[Volkodav]

No
women obsess over gay men to the point they objectify us

 

[Sylver]

It seems as though most female artists on FA do homosexual porn from what I've seen - I could be wrong.

However, I don't know if they were commissioned to do them or simply draw that stuff because they like that sort of stuff =/

 

[Vitaly]

Statistics says the same thing, unlike gays, lesbians are capable for long-term relationships and forming something like traditional family.

And they're hot of course :∨

 

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

It seems as though most female artists on FA do homosexual porn from what I've seen - I could be wrong.

However, I don't know if they were commissioned to do them or simply draw that stuff because they like that sort of stuff =/

Here is one example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/bohsar/


I need more examples for me to be convinced

 

[Astrium]

This seems about accurate to me. It seems people see lesbians and go "That's hot," but then they see gay guys and they're like "Ew, gross!" Makes no damn sense to me.

 

[Elunoir]

2 girls fucking each other
Straight men fap to it




2 men fucking each other
Straight women are repulsed by it

That is a very one-sided view, seeing the pornographic aspect as reason behind this. Also many women prefer sex between men above any other.

First of all, women are not as homophonic as men. Many straight men fear homosexual men for 'being not as masculine' as them. That's wrong. The effeminated men just stand out more than any other homosexuals.

Secondly, these men are not against Tomboyish girls because they don't need to 'fear their existence' by another gender.

Thirdly, this is a very primitive way of thinking but there are enough men like that, I experienced those myself already.

Our society really needs to rid those stereotypes and face that diversity is a great thing.

Statistics says the same thing, unlike gays, lesbians are capable for long-term relationships and forming something like traditional family.

And they're hot of course :∨

What makes a lesbian hotter from a straight female? There will be good-looking straight as well as lesbian females. Sexual orientation makes no difference. Same goes with gay/straight men. :v

 

[Fallowfox]

There isn't just a slight difference in the global perception of gay men and gay women; the gulf is considerable.

In Jamaica the law specifically targets male gays, rather than lesbians. Being gay in Jamaica can result in 10 years hard labour, but only if you're a man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica#Laws_against_male_same-sex_sexual_activity

Indeed, in most countries, that outlaw homosexuality, only men are mentioned in their legislation, and when people in the west construct arguments to oppose equal treatment of homosexuals, their arguments usually only concern men.

I think your explanation hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned people's concerns about emasculation.

 

[Plastic-Fox]

There isn't just a slight difference in the global perception of gay men and gay women; the gulf is considerable.

In Jamaica the law specifically targets male gays, rather than lesbians. Being gay in Jamaica can result in 10 years hard labour, but only if you're a man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica#Laws_against_male_same-sex_sexual_activity

Indeed, in most countries, that outlaw homosexuality, only men are mentioned in their legislation, and when people in the west construct arguments to oppose equal treatment of homosexuals, their arguments usually only concern men.

I think your explanation hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned people's concerns about emasculation.

I wonder if there is any correlation between one-sexed laws like this and women's rights. Is lesbianism more accepted due to the fact that women were "not fully" able to control their lives? It might be possible that the laws disallowing woman's rights in previous centuries has affected current anti-homo laws.

- just a thought - more research to be done

 

[Fallowfox]

I wonder if there is any correlation between one-sexed laws like this and women's rights. Is lesbianism more accepted due to the fact that women were "not fully" able to control their lives? It might be possible that the laws disallowing woman's rights in previous centuries has affected current anti-homo laws.

- just a thought - more research to be done

Jamaican officials claimed that their laws didn't target lesbians because they had research which showed that female homosexuality is natural, whilst male homosexuality is the result of abuse by paedophiles. [it makes you question why they seek to punish male homosexuals if they believe that they are victims of sexual abuse, but maybe they believe it is 'tough love' and that prison will re-masculate them]

You are right; there is a negative correlation between levels of homophobia directed against men, and equality for women. I personally suspect that this is because most of these countries are theocratic, rather than because laws to keep women down have been re-purposed.

 

[Artillery Spam]

Our society really needs to rid those stereotypes and face that diversity is a great thing.

Lol.

 

[Ariosto]

It seems to me that female homosexuality is in a weird position, media-representation wise. Thanks to men fetishizing lesbians, they hold a little more visibility in the public consciousness, but it's not a healthy view of their sexuality, just objectification. These women don't love each other, they're just being lustful for the pleasure of heterosexual men. Gay men have a little more visibility in the western world, however, in what pertains to more 'honest portrayals'. Law-wise, well, Fallow's post is probably a good indicator of the situation, whereas socially, they don't seem to be as talked about as their male counterparts.

Essentially, lesbians as women who love and feel atrraction towards other women are invisible in society's eyes, but, for practical effects, they're probably just as stigmatized as gay men in the end.

 

[X_Joshi_X]

I agree. I dont know why but I agree.
One of my best friends is a lesbian and everyone on my school is okay with it. It would be completly different if she were a boy

 

[Ahkrin Descol]

Welcome to a world where stereotypes like these were established by narrow minded selfish men, ​it's ridiculous.

 

[Daisy La Liebre]

It all comes down to the sexual preferences of straight men and them wanting everything pleasing their own tastes and no-one else's. It's a pathetic, selfish and childish attitude to have.

 

[Fallowfox]

It all comes down to the sexual preferences of straight men and them wanting everything pleasing their own tastes and no-one else's. It's a pathetic, selfish and childish attitude to have.

I was about to say I think religiosity is the actual cause, but who knows; maybe religion tends to prioritise male sexuality because its authors were men?

 

[Ariosto]

I was about to say I think religiosity is the actual cause, but who knows; maybe religion tends to prioritise male sexuality because its authors were men?

Religiosity as in, Judeo-christianity? It's true that Leviticus rules the prohibition of homosexuality explicitly on men, but not women... but aside from that, could you elabourate a little more on this point? I'd be interested to read your exact thoughts (though I have a faint idea what they might be).

 

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

It all comes down to the sexual preferences of straight men and them wanting everything pleasing their own tastes and no-one else's. It's a pathetic, selfish and childish attitude to have.

I think we have are in no position to tell straight men to accept male homosexuality. It's up to us to show them that it's not a terrible thing, that love knows no gender. You can't expect the entire world to instantly accept it especially when we had homophobia for centuries. Thing are changing and but it's only been recent. I say just give it time

 

[Daisy La Liebre]

I think we have are in no position to tell straight men to accept male homosexuality. It's up to us to show them that it's not a terrible thing, that love knows no gender. You can't expect the entire world to instantly accept it especially when we had homophobia for centuries. Thing are changing and but it's only been recent. I say just give it time

It's up to people not to be such morons.

 

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

Even though that is pretty much true, there's a double standard:

"hot" lesbians, thats okay
"not hot" lesbians, its disgusting

 

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

It's up to people not to be such morons.

I'm 45 years old, trust me, it's getting better.

 

[Fallowfox]

Religiosity as in, Judeo-christianity? It's true that Leviticus rules the prohibition of homosexuality explicitly on men, but not women... but aside from that, could you elabourate a little more on this point? I'd be interested to read your exact thoughts (though I have a faint idea what they might be).

I was thinking of Islam, but all of the Abrahamic religions share similar attitudes towards homosexuals.

I think we have are in no position to tell straight men to accept male homosexuality. It's up to us to show them that it's not a terrible thing, that love knows no gender. You can't expect the entire world to instantly accept it especially when we had homophobia for centuries. Thing are changing and but it's only been recent. I say just give it time

Straight men are probably tired of being lectured that everything is implicitly their fault, too.

 

[TheMetalVelocity]

I was thinking of Islam, but all of the Abrahamic religions share similar attitudes towards homosexuals.

What are you talking about? It's only those straight white Christian males who are hateful towards homosexuals.

 

[Maelstrom Eyre]

From a (heterosexual) female's perspective, I have noticed a lot more acceptance toward gay women.

However, there are some weird little "rules."

In order for a lot of heterosexual guys to accept lesbians, the women still have to be "hot." They cannot be chunky or overweight, they cannot have any masculine traits like short boy-cut hair or frumpy clothes. Most of the heterosexual guys I know who talk about this kind of thing openly will say that they are okay with women having sex with each other as long as it's a situation that they (the guy) would want to be invited into. Otherwise, it's "gross."

In the furry fandom it is almost expected that a female is either lesbian, bisexual, or (at the very least) curious enough to try it. I feel very much like a minority being a a straight female in the fandom, with zero interest in sexual relations with other women.

When I was in college, there was the running joke about girls being LUGs (Lesbian Until Graduation) - because college is supposedly when you go out and try new things and test new waters before going back to the life-script of getting into heterosexual relationships, getting married and making babies with their husband and just talking about "that one time in the girls' dorm. . ."