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About the Confessions Thread

Gryphoneer

20 Quatloos on "disruptive"
The one incident that everyone keeps talking about (also that was basically the straw that broke the camel's back, it wasn't the ONLY reason we closed it) wasn't because it slipped under the radar. Porn was posted and everyone knew it was against the rules, but they didn't want the thread closed. So they all decided as a group to not report the post or do anything about it. I ended up catching it cause I would read through it every now and then.
Ok, that seems sensible enough.

So, where is that post again? It's information for a book I write. <.<
 

Gator

Uncledaddy
naw, just things like "hey guys let's chat/what's everyone up to" and other sorta low-content stuff that's not really a full-on "discussion" or dedicated to a single topic.
most places i've seen that do this have a forum or subforum dedicated to chatting; people's chat threads come and go, some of them impose page count limits to keep them from getting too big. i haven't seen any real trouble with chat threads like that, myself, but eh.. was just a thought :p
 

Astrium

King of the Noodles
The mods have spoken. I may not agree with their decision, but I'll abide by it.
 

Kalmor

Banned
Banned
naw, just things like "hey guys let's chat/what's everyone up to" and other sorta low-content stuff that's not really a full-on "discussion" or dedicated to a single topic.
most places i've seen that do this have a forum or subforum dedicated to chatting; people's chat threads come and go, some of them impose page count limits to keep them from getting too big. i haven't seen any real trouble with chat threads like that, myself, but eh.. was just a thought :p
There are easier systems like PMs and skype chats/groups which do this much better than a forum can.

There was an FAF skype group actually but I don't know if it's still running. I had to leave because being a mod of the very forum that the unofficial skype group comes from - a group that is for the most part unmoderated - isn't a good mix I found. XD
 

LegitWaterfall

Forever done
There was an FAF skype group actually but I don't know if it's still running. I had to leave because being a mod of the very forum that the unofficial skype group comes from - a group that is for the most part unmoderated - isn't a good mix I found. XD
It's still on and quite active, I drop in every now and then.
 

Gator

Uncledaddy
i'll have to disagree on the skype/pm thing, as it doesn't work the same way and i find forums preferable unless i want to talk one-on-one with a single person, which i don't always want to do.

it's hardly the end of the world, but i am still gonna find "no open chat" a silly rule for a forum. :I seems like a good way to have a constant off-topic/thread derailment issue.
 

Mentova

I live, I die, I live again
i'll have to disagree on the skype/pm thing, as it doesn't work the same way and i find forums preferable unless i want to talk one-on-one with a single person, which i don't always want to do.

it's hardly the end of the world, but i am still gonna find "no open chat" a silly rule for a forum. :I seems like a good way to have a constant off-topic/thread derailment issue.

We thought the same thing at one point. It ended poorly. D:

I guess different things just work for different groups. We tried it here and it, well, didn't work out.
 

Croconaw

#1 Most Requested Croconaw
Thank god you killed it. Now the forum clique will crawl back to their Teamspeak cave.
 

GarthTheWereWolf

Captious Lycanthrope of Forum Legend
Thank god you killed it. Now the forum clique will crawl back to their Teamspeak cave.

Cliques will always exist on FaF. Confession thread or no they'll be around.
 

Yago

Ambered Amaranth
The one incident that everyone keeps talking about (also that was basically the straw that broke the camel's back, it wasn't the ONLY reason we closed it) wasn't because it slipped under the radar. Porn was posted and everyone knew it was against the rules, but they didn't want the thread closed. So they all decided as a group to not report the post or do anything about it. I ended up catching it cause I would read through it every now and then.

I don't think that's a fair assessment of what happened, Mentova. We didn't decide as a group not to report the post because the thread would get closed. If we didn't report it, it would close. If we did report it, it would close, because, at the time, we had already quoted / discussed it and not immediately reported.

It'd be like getting a ticket for littering because a piece of paper blew out of your hand and you took too long to go pick it back up, despite chasing it around because it was windy. We were genuinely trying to make it right and fix it, without having to give someone an infraction for a minor accidental offense.

You seemed to realize this, and then Corto came down like God and smote us all despite it having already been dealt with by an appropriate authority.

I understand your reasoning for being against general chat threads, they are a nightmare to moderate, and can be quite problematic. I don't deny that. Yet, at the same time, that particular chat thread never went down in flames or got way out of hand. I'm sure there are many examples of problematic chat threads, but that wasn't one of them.

There was one accident that was over-punished. Even if there were other reasons it was closed, as you said, they weren't enough bad to merit such threads being banned forever, at least not to anyone but Corto. As evidenced by the actions of the other mods such as yourself at the time.

And there's drama on FAF all the time in various threads, though it's been awhile since I posted, so perhaps this has changed. I do understand that general chat threads attract more of these issues, they don't seem to increase that drama risk so much as to warrant them being banned forever.

From later posts in this thread, I believe you've reached a consensus that general chat threads won't be coming back, at least not particularly soon, and if that's the case, so be it. I don't have a problem respecting that. But I wanted to add my two cents.

EDIT:

There are easier systems like PMs and skype chats/groups which do this much better than a forum can.

There was an FAF skype group actually but I don't know if it's still running. I had to leave because being a mod of the very forum that the unofficial skype group comes from - a group that is for the most part unmoderated - isn't a good mix I found. XD


I'd actually like to say that such systems are pretty poor for general chat. Forums allow you to archive the information much easier. It can be accessed on different computers, as Skype saves only fairly recent logs in the cloud and has difficulties loading a significant quantity of chat when it has to pull from the cloud, and forums are much easier to read and format.

(I know I had one group chat that I was in that would get so many Skype messages in a day that Skype would crash if I attempted to check the history after not keeping up with it literally every day.)

Furthermore, Skype groups have problems with moderation, because the nature of someone having to start it means that there is no impartiality.
 
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Croconaw

#1 Most Requested Croconaw

Ariosto

New Member
@Yago: I agree with the assesment on the GTWT's community being an unfair one. In my case, I wasn't informed on the issue, and barely found out about it when the thread was already closed.
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
Basically what raptros said. Most likely that would just end up with a ton of different threads that all serve the same purpose and most likely, they wouldn't simply die off after a few pages.

If you mean like a temporary thread to discuss a specific topic that might be on someone's mind, those are already ok, lol.
We mustnt waste threads in these hard times
 
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Deleted member 93706

Guest
Thank god you killed it. Now the forum clique will crawl back to their Teamspeak cave.

We do sexy things in our cave.

FYI, it's not a clique if anyone (with at least a hundred posts) is allowed to join.
 
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Evan of Phrygia

WwwHhAaaAaTtTttTttTtT
(warning, i didn't organize my thoughts too well so it jumps around a bit)

I'm completely with Yago on the assessment of the situation (both GTWT and chat vs. forum), especially with the nature of archiving and the lack of a real time input...I used to use skype constantly, but I'm never on because my schedule is persistent. However, with a forum if I want to contact someone it's much easier to do so at any particular rate, and it's much less time consuming to simply drop a post and leave

There's this perspective that discussions threads drain the quantity of threads posted in the actual stream of content, and while there may be some truth to this, if we're really so concerned with what is potentially not actually content within the forums, I don't feel like abolishing a specific place for it would actually be a real solution...others have a problem with the reduction of content, and I realize that, but if your target audience is the "clique" that chills in a general thread, chances are they're there because they're not going to make a thread about something they didn't have any intention of in the first place. I know for me, that's the case. There's a lot on my mind that I'm not going to orchestrate into a thread because I feel even with elaboration it's not something I have the capacity of emotion to create. Either that, or it just makes me too anxious to even say anything.

Given, I understand that these threads do require some level of moderation, so for an expectation for such moderation to be realized, it puts a heavy weight on those involved, but there has to be some sort of leeway somehow. The stress of the last incident was that individual actions dictated a group punishment, and on top of that the whole criterion of reporting (as Yago says) would practically be a means of just proving irresponsibility anyways.


In the end, it's just a simple conversation thread, and that's the problem. Something that inherently organic is in a public situation, thus requiring an expectation and moderation...not as if to say it's impossible to follow rules, but not everyone follows the conventional moral reasoning of strictly obeying a by-law set in place, and if there's no way to easily check for that, it becomes a dilemma.

It's always so interesting to me how fueled the topic gets.

The one point I just do not agree with, above anything, is the idea that it drains content. That really, from my perspective, does not have a foot to stand on. However, I realize that moderation does not see that the same way.

Edit: Clique talk is always interesting to me, because it's almost seen as bad for culture circles to develop. Given, I think it can have a negative impact on a society if it becomes a point where inside jokes are injected into regular discussions, but the reality is that people flock to common minds inherently. It all really depends on what you call the difference between friend circles and cliques, and how they actually impact the overhead society.
Just keep in mind there are going to be people who inherently do not get along regardless of whether or not one belongs to a certain group of people.
 
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Ariosto

New Member
Going back a bit in time, the GTWT and the R&R sections coexisted peacefully and were both pretty active at equal intervals, but that was also because they had almost completely different userbases (only a few users participated actively in both). And that might just be what's happening right now, a difference of userabase, a younger one who's not so keen on political debates and active discussions, but more on taking a break from the daily stress of school and that sort of stuff. That might account for why the megathread seems to 'draw content away' from actual discussions. Or not? Am I just speculating here? Maybe that's not even the main factour?

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Bottom-line: the thread wouldn't 'drain content' if the userbase had other interests for the forums, like R&R's old userbase. But that's just not the case now.
My opinion about this has been all over the place... I kinda, don't have a clear one at the moment?
 
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Volkodav

Dad****er
I think that if these general discussion threads are to work (which they can and should), a few things would need to happen. First, moderators need to give warnings before locking a thread. By "warnings" I mean locking, deleting offending posts, warning the respective users, and then saying "keep on topic" or whatever and unlock. After a handful of times if the thread continues to go south/after doing this like 2 times or how ever many chances, then say "I'm locking" and lock
The reason why nobody reports things that violate rules is because moderators currently dont do this, they just delete posts, yell at everyone, and then lock it.
There's no reason why someone would want to report a violating post in their good thread if they know there's a dhance a a mod will lock it on a first case or without warning and then punish everybody
 

TheArchiver

Ace Documenter
There's no reason why someone would want to report a violating post in their good thread if they know there's a dhance a a mod will lock it on a first case or without warning and then punish everybody

And I repeat a point brought up earlier. When this happens, what then is the point of deleting comments and editing them? I do not buy that its done to shield anything; sensitive newcomers lurking and seeing something offensive.
 

RTDragon

RTP User
Sadly considering we all forgot that this is a private form and with the rules the owner can do what ever he wants and considering usually most forums tend to have rules like this in different ways. And the fact minors come here to view threads it's really safe to say that things like this won't work. Unless there's a private boards section for 18+ and above but that will take a lot of work for a site like this. So it's usually better off for smaller forums.
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
And the fact minors come here to view threads it's really safe to say that things like this won't work. Unless there's a private boards section for 18+ and above but that will take a lot of work for a site like this. So it's usually better off for smaller forums.

There's nothing stopping me from turning this thread into a discussion about sucking dick behind McDonalds
You know that, right

There's nothing stopping any thread from going south, that includes threads that have a specific topic, this isn't just isolated to generatl discussion threads
 

Mentova

I live, I die, I live again
I think that if these general discussion threads are to work (which they can and should), a few things would need to happen. First, moderators need to give warnings before locking a thread. By "warnings" I mean locking, deleting offending posts, warning the respective users, and then saying "keep on topic" or whatever and unlock. After a handful of times if the thread continues to go south/after doing this like 2 times or how ever many chances, then say "I'm locking" and lock
The reason why nobody reports things that violate rules is because moderators currently dont do this, they just delete posts, yell at everyone, and then lock it.
There's no reason why someone would want to report a violating post in their good thread if they know there's a dhance a a mod will lock it on a first case or without warning and then punish everybody

We did that a lot. Lots of posts in those general threads were deleted, a lot of in thread warnings were made, a lot of infractions, etc. It didn't stop. That's why we locked it.
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
We did that a lot. Lots of posts in those general threads were deleted, a lot of in thread warnings were made, a lot of infractions, etc. It didn't stop. That's why we locked it.

Sooo
This is the reason for locking all general discussion threads?
How many threads have you locked for these reasons that WEREN'T general discussion threads?
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
What I find most funny about that is that they posted about not reporting in the thread... A thread which mods totally can't skim through from time to time. :V

Funnily enough, the mods did see it and didn't care for 2 weeks til Corto got back from vacation. :p I'm not saying this as an argument for the chat threads...just pointing out that the thread was seen by every mod and they delayed the closing...for some reason. XD
 
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