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Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
No doubt you saw that users submissions and I'm gonna say it again like my last post. FA has NO regulation of content or rules being enforced. Often we have to wait long peroids (several days for the report of irl animal porn on the site to be fixed)

The real issue is 2 things, one FA allows any user, underage or not to upload things with no limitations. Anyone can bypass the "new member" signup and post anything. We need new users to be checked out and have their future submissions quarantined secretly so people can decide "Are they here to cause harm?"

Second yall are gonna have more "shutdowns" of submissions if people don't enforce or respect the rules. The most important latter is FA sadly is being overtaken and not about anthro art anymore. Its R34, its tumblr, twitter of fake artistic content and stolen or asset flipped work they dont own.

Get ready for more fuck ups since it only took...2 of those spam users the last time I checked to shut down the entire Submission aspect of the site. Im personally for shuttinf off adding new members to the site until we know they are 1. People
2. lawful online people
3. Respectful artists or fans of anthro artwork
 
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ellaerna

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3. Respectful artists or fans of anthro artwork
It's a nice idea, but how on earth would you verify this?

Like, there are ways of checking for bots, and I suppose FA could shell out for background checks to make sure all users don't have a criminal record (which is a shitty plan, but doable), but how are you going to check everyone to see if they're a respectful artist or fan? First, how do you even define "respectful"? Second, what if they're new? How do you prove you're a fan if you're just getting into the scene? Do you have to show a written out description of your Sonic OC in order to be let in to our club? And if so, couldn't people just make shit up in order to get on the site anyway?

Maybe you have something brilliant in mind, but I'm just not seeing how this would work that well.
 

Cerbrus

New Member
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The real issue is 2 things, <...> We need new users to be checked out and have their future submissions quarantined secretly so people can decide "Are they here to cause harm?"

Second yall are gonna have more "shutdowns" of submissions if people don't enforce or respect the rules. <...>

As a former mod, I just had to reply.

Both of these suggestions are as unrealistic as it gets.
  1. FA doesn't have the manpower required to validate every single new registration. It's rather ridiculous to even ask that. The sheer amount of activity in both registrations and uploads can't reasonably be expected to be hand-checked.
  2. Only a small select group of moderators have the ability / authority to shutdown uploads completely, as it should be. That select group isn't online 24/7. Nor can that be expected.
When was the last time we had a shotdown like this? Months ago... What can realistically be done to prevent this from happening in the future? Nothing.

Uploaders like that happen to Facebook. They happen to Redit, to Imgur, to Instagram. You just don't see them because they don't show up on your feed.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
Checking for bots is very harder in today's time as more and more of things are being digitized. Bots can be trained not to use AI but trial and error or help from a creator to bypass the "I am not a robot" or "select the images with a car". Sadly bots are a norm now, but can be handled.

I can see why you're doubtful, that's a good sign because that shows my idea sounding good needs to be explained. FA has these issues because it has never changed, even when it has changed it was only a little bit at a time. Doing it after a major DDOS attack has occurred rather than taking the gamble of trying something new before it happens.

One method I'd like to use is any new user is placed under a "quarantine" of sorts and the few things they upload are judged by staff on it being "hateful" or not and kept out of the mainstpolight. We have a dangerous open border issue on this site where anyone can join and post porn of themselves or animals, or spam that cringey stuff. People only react after it happens, after isnt good enough, shutting down submissions when we have good people on here that upload good things is punishing for them and me.

It isnt proving people are fans but if they plan to cause harm. Those spam bots showed in less then a second they wanted to cause harm. We should also put limitations on how many people can join. Trolls biggest thing is to make endless amounts of profiles to harass, stalk and spam websites after their original account had been banned.

Back in the old day I had to proove I was of adult age to see adult content on here, these days Ive been seeing underage users getting into porn like its ice cream. We need rules and regulations before the websites begin.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
As a former mod, I just had to reply.

Both of these suggestions are as unrealistic as it gets.
  1. FA doesn't have the manpower required to validate every single new registration. It's rather ridiculous to even ask that. The sheer amount of activity in both registrations and uploads can't reasonably be expected to be hand-checked.
  2. Only a small select group of moderators have the ability / authority to shutdown uploads completely, as it should be. That select group isn't online 24/7. Nor can that be expected.
When was the last time we had a shotdown like this? Months ago... What can realistically be done to prevent this from happening in the future? Nothing.

Uploaders like that happen to Facebook. They happen to Redit, to Imgur, to Instagram. You just don't see them because they don't show up on your feed.


You have already normalized these things, thats why they are winning. And the biggest flaw and sin of FA is how little its staff is. I'm not asking to check every single user on here, hell most of the new ones already have broken the rules with their asset flipped copywriten porn characters they get from other websites.

For a place owned by IMVU and is the longest running site we got so far (RIP Furnation) is that FA is not ahead of the game. You all act like we have to keep the website open and free for anyone to use it. Thats how you get spammers, and trolls, and fake artists on here. You need to think about the people who are real artists on FA first then thinking about "oh but the future users!"

Actually the last shotdown was a few days ago for around 10 mins. And even thats a slap to the face for the people on here. Stop punishing us for outsiders issues, close down new member admission. We have enough people on here to keep the feed going on porn or what ever content they like. Or even better, limit the amount of people who can join each month. This aint no EDC, so we shouldnt have a flood of people dying to get on here.

Your saying this place is the be all end of anthro in the online world. It isnt, more people use, twitter, tumblr, and Pixie and other sites for their anthro needs then just FA. Hell most people I commission where originally on social media sites.
 

Cerbrus

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One method I'd like to use is any new user is placed under a "quarantine"<...> shutting down submissions when we have good people on here that upload good things is punishing for them and me.

Back in the old day I had to proove I was of adult age to see adult content on here, these days Ive been seeing underage users getting into porn like its ice cream. We need rules and regulations before the websites begin.

Didn't you read what I said? The quarantine ideas and the immediate upload shotdown are both unrealistic ideas.

As for your second point, FA never required age verification other than a "Yes I am of age" confirmation during registration. Verifying a user's age is a legal hellhole that's, again, unrealistic.

FA's not going to shut down its borders. Restricting registration isn't going to help.
Those einzelgaenger that spam the site with images like this can easily pass any registration check FA can realistically enforce, only to turn on the site after that. Restricting registration will only punish genuine users. It will not stop shitposters / spammers.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
Yes I said that, the issue is you and other people think we need to give users free reign on being able to upload anything without checking what they are. A simple controlled check to see if its artwork on a small group of people is easy to take care of. Just ask yourself, is it artwork i'm going to see or some cringey gore PS thing.


FA is a mess right now because we are giving everyone the same status as an artist. When sadly most people on here right as of now arent artists. Take a look at it all, we have users who are uploading things they didn't buy but flipped off some other program.

Dear god if that's true how many more underage people are viewing porn? Isn't that hard for a 13YO to come on here, now that's a lawsuit waiting to happen for making it that easy. Verification is the only sane way to keep things safe and sane, I'm sorry you want things to be a Wild West free for all but we don't want having future uploads locked and all that jazz. If this site cant keep the real people secure then this place is not going to be safe. But then again you normalized these spam attacks so its no use trying to argue with you on how bad that is.
 

Cerbrus

New Member
Are you aware of how the US law works, regarding minors viewing adult content on your site, Ciderfine?

As long as the user claims to be of age, as a site owner, you're fine.
If there's any doubt the user isn't of age, as long as you remove adult access for that user, as a site owner, you're fine.

You don't need to verify a user's age. If the user is lying about their age, the site owner isn't at fault.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
Are you aware of how the US law works, regarding minors viewing adult content on your site, Ciderfine?


I dont think thats how each state and its county law works like that. Your dealing with each state and each sections take and rules on this, and that a lot of paperwork. Saying a site is immune to everything that a user did is like saying that after a terrorist attack, no one is made to clean up the bodies and messes.

You know each county that has different rules, laws, and legal systems? Like how you can't own a hedgehog in NY city but outside of the city and countryside is legal?

I think that's a bloody terrible idea that places a lot of people still growing who are vulnerable, curious and stupid to be allowed to flip any switch they want and delve into content that are drawn acts of things only people of legal age can get or see is a very bad call. Kids are stupid smart, how long until this becomes a big issue? Playing the "Fa is immune" card is a poor excuse when the the law isn't about who did something right or wrong, its a series out people who sue, interpreted wrong doing or not.

Your right, I dont know about US law, I'm just a POC who was born here legally in a military family. But I do know that FA can be legally blamed in some way for having such a risk factor. And I'm sure there are loads of coalitions of concerned parents of Activists who would bloody hate that nothing is done to protect children online. But I do know in my state outside of the city I can own any type of shotgun but not rifle. It wont take much for a fire to start once people realize anyone can see porn on here. Make an account its as easy as that.

Gee no wonder we have so many gun deaths, you can see as much porn as it is easy to get a gun!/s
 

Cerbrus

New Member
Only the US constitution, and the law of the county where the site is hosted are relevant.

I've just described the rules how they apply to FA.
Trust me, I used to moderate this site. If a user is lying about their age, and there's no reason for the site to suspect the user is underage, the site isn't at fault.
After all, the user lied.

Comparing watching porn to gun laws is rather ridiculous. Let's not go there.
(oh, and please fix that quote block)
 
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FluffyShutterbug

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How ridiculous.... Is there ANYTHING today that aren't being fucking attacked by bots!!?? :mad:
 
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FluffyShutterbug

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I also missed this too. But, I heard from my friends that someone was spamming the site with IRL pictures of infected wounds and stuff that linked to virus sites.
 

SSJ3Mewtwo

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Because this was an apparently completely unnecessary thread, I am closing it up.
 
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