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am I the only person in the world that hates disney?

Fruitythebeetle

Fruitythebeetle

Goes by kappapeachie now
no seriously, nowadays I just hate disney as a company. they've been doing dumb shit as of late with all these reboots to old stuff. sure not all of what they do are bad like the ducktales reboot. but it's far outnumbered with by the numbers films that feel boring and safe. i'm not insisting disney should be doing edgy shit in order to grab me but perhaps they should tone the formulaic plot structure they've been doing with their more original works.

mostly modern disney though. some of their older fare still hold up today. it doesn't help that i can't even see the "disney" art style the same why again. Everytime i see folks draw i die inside. a shame, it's the closest i got to something appealing that competes with anime.
 
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CrookedCroc

Guest
You are not alone.
I feel like Disney has been getting pretty complacent over the years, they no longer try to make something fun nor creative, it is just an endless sea of reboots, remakes and sequels.

Disney used to be a hallmark of quality animation, now they are nothing more than another big company trying to obtain as many IPs as legally possible just to maximize profit.

Meanwhile the hopes and dreams of talented individuals go unnoticed because everyone is busy watching Star Wars Episode 12 : Electric Boogaloo and Avengers: Battle for Bikini Bottom 2
 
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CrookedCroc

Guest
That's because animation takes a lot of money and time to make.
Just look at The Thief and the Cobbler. It was an indie animated film made by Richard Williams (animation director of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"), it was supposed to be his masterpiece but it got stuck on production for over 30 years, it was later bought and "finished" by some other company just to later be "actually finished" using animation cells found in the trash.

The animation industry is a cutthroat world
 
Alv

Alv

Banned
Banned
It's getting pretty tiresome to see a bunch of remakes instead of original quality content. It feels like the big companies are ultimately chasing profits over interesting and compelling new content. It's unfortunate that it's come to this.

However we also have to blame the geneal populous for being completely lacking in discernment for viewing material.

And imo most of the Star Wars redoes were jokes, as well. The first one with the Really Big Death Star was a complete, cringey joke, and this is coming from someone who adores the main Star Wars films.
 
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CrookedCroc

Guest
Alv said:
It's getting pretty tiresome to see a bunch of remakes instead of original quality content. It feels like the big companies are ultimately chasing profits over interesting and compelling new content. It's unfortunate that it's come to this.

However we also have to blame the geneal populous for being completely lacking in discernment for viewing material.

And imo most of the Star Wars redoes were jokes, as well. The first one with the Really Big Death Star was a complete, cringey joke, and this is coming from someone who adores the main Star Wars films.
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Got some good news for you my man.
Disney got the message and they are putting the whole franchise on "rest" because they want "to let the fandom heal".
No more movies after episode 9.
http://archive.is/94WcR

Also, I've seen a clip (can't find the source) of Kyle Newman saying that a lot of Hollywood producers secretly hate SW:TLJ, he even says that a lot of the journalist defending it are paid to do so. If I see the clip again or find the source I'll post it here
 
Yakamaru

Yakamaru

Woof? Woof
Star Wars ended up in the shitter and the last movie will close the door to the bathroom after someone's left a big stinker. Without flushing.

Disney is slowly dying, and so are a lot of other companies as well.
 
Yakamaru

Yakamaru

Woof? Woof
If they all die others will take their place. If there is a need for entertainment someone/something will rise to fill that need.

We already have a ton of entertainment. There just won't be anything new for a while, possibly.
 
Miles Marsalis

Miles Marsalis

The Last DJ.
Damn, and here I was thinking everyone loved Disney movies. To each, their own, however.

In my opinion, Disney performs best when it develops movies with original ideas and plots. Zootopia was emblematic of how Disney can still make original movies that perform well at the box office and actually you for a few hours. That and little movie no has ever heard of called Frozen, though I haven't seen it and really don't plan to, short of being kidnapped and forced to. There are plenty of kids and parents who saw those movies and approved. Plus, Zootopia made more than a billion dollars at the box office. That should be a statement that when it comes to family entertainment, Disney can put out a original blockbuster.

Even for more adult-focused entertainment, Disney has been putting out relatively well-written hits, especially with its Marvel Cinematic Universe. All of those movies have over-performed in the box-office, period. The newest Star Wars trilogy could have been better, I can admit that, but they were still alright and have a place in the canon. My main problems with this latest trilogy is that the movies are not stand-alones and each installment is tightly linked with the previous ones. Yes, many movies are made with sequels in mind, but it could have been less blatant here. Personally, I liked the Star Wars prequel trilogy more than the originals since they explored the Star Wars universe in a thorough manner and with greater special effects than the original trilogy. The characterization and writing in the prequel trilogy was much better than the writing in the original trilogy, particularly in Revenge of the Sith, which may or may not have been ghost-written by Tom Stoppard.

As for the anthology Star Wars films, Solo could've been better, but Rogue One shattered my expectations of it. The writing for Rogue One produced a movie that brutally deconstructed the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire, showed war in a more realistic manner uncharacteristic for Star Wars, had sympathetic characters, and ended with a conclusion that was inevitable in more ways than one. The film also happened to do well.

So I would say Disney is alive and well. I'd actually buy stock in the company and am very excited for their future projects.

By the way, could y'all articulate exactly what turns you off about Disney? I don't hear this often.
 
Cannabiskitty

Cannabiskitty

To Kill the Child; to Set the Adult Free
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Damn, and here I was thinking everyone loved Disney movies. To each, their own, however.

In my opinion, Disney performs best when it develops movies with original ideas and plots. Zootopia was emblematic of how Disney can still make original movies that perform well at the box office and actually you for a few hours. That and little movie no has ever heard of called Frozen, though I haven't seen it and really don't plan to, short of being kidnapped and forced to. There are plenty of kids and parents who saw those movies and approved. Plus, Zootopia made more than a billion dollars at the box office. That should be a statement that when it comes to family entertainment, Disney can put out a original blockbuster.

Even for more adult-focused entertainment, Disney has been putting out relatively well-written hits, especially with its Marvel Cinematic Universe. All of those movies have over-performed in the box-office, period. The newest Star Wars trilogy could have been better, I can admit that, but they were still alright and have a place in the canon. My main problems with this latest trilogy is that the movies are not stand-alones and each installment is tightly linked with the previous ones. Yes, many movies are made with sequels in mind, but it could have been less blatant here. Personally, I liked the Star Wars prequel trilogy more than the originals since they explored the Star Wars universe in a thorough manner and with greater special effects than the original trilogy. The characterization and writing in the prequel trilogy was much better than the writing in the original trilogy, particularly in Revenge of the Sith, which may or may not have been ghost-written by Tom Stoppard.

As for the anthology Star Wars films, Solo could've been better, but Rogue One shattered my expectations of it. The writing for Rogue One produced a movie that brutally deconstructed the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire, showed war in a more realistic manner uncharacteristic for Star Wars, had sympathetic characters, and ended with a conclusion that was inevitable in more ways than one. The film also happened to do well.

So I would say Disney is alive and well. I'd actually buy stock in the company and am very excited for their future projects.

By the way, could y'all articulate exactly what turns you off about Disney? I don't hear this often.
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Four words. Song of the South.
 
Miles Marsalis

Miles Marsalis

The Last DJ.
Simo

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
I really love many of the things they did from the 1930s-1990s. But I find they've grown stale.

Also as a long time comics fan it's crazy to me how big of a monopoly they've become gobbling up Marvel , Star Wars and other companies like The Blob. It seems like too much for one company to control and I find it a bit creepy.
 
Fallowfox

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
I don't really watch disney animations so I can't really tell?

I guess they own Marvel and Starwars. I feel there have been too many Marvel films, and I fell asleep in the last Starwars that I watched.

Lindsay Ellis has loads of videos about Dinsey plots if that's the sort of thing you like:
 
Tendo64

Tendo64

Cat With A Guitar
I do like some modern Disney films (Wreck-it-Ralph and Zootopia are the best movies ever IMO) but I don't blame you for not liking them as a company. I'm not sure how to feel about them either because you know they're doing this all for the money. You look back and sequels weren't even made I don't think until the nineties when animation was starting to be taken seriously. And now Disney takes all their hard work and throws it in the trash by making live-action remakes of all their movies and says "never mind guys, animation can never be as good as live-action amirite?" which kinda kills what I've always stood for.

That's why I'm a Pixar person. They aren't perfect either but at least they still try and the only actually bad Pixar movie I can think of is Cars 2.
 
Cannabiskitty

Cannabiskitty

To Kill the Child; to Set the Adult Free
Disney is basically a giant gumbo with pretty much everything in it. Basically if youre going to eat a Disney gumbo you have to do it without actually looking at your food lest you find a piece of misogyny or some racism in your bowl.
 
PercyD

PercyD

Lover of Beasty Baes
*Internet voice* Actually, anime was inspired by Disney-

I get what you're saying, honestly. I just went on a cruise and there was a Disney boat right next to us. They've really lost the original vision of creating properties that also appeals to the wonder that adults still have as well. Its why I used to get excited about Disney since it didn't talk down to me as a kid. And I still really feel like the old stuff holds up because of this train of thought. Its some of the reason why anime (is... was?) the way it was. The appeal of animation is you can create whole new worlds that inspire people.

-Now they're exploiting little girls with this whole Princess line. *Dead pan.*
 
Cannabiskitty

Cannabiskitty

To Kill the Child; to Set the Adult Free
I would agree that overall the actual films and properties Disney has put out in the last decade has been pretty good when it comes to high profile IPs like Princess and the Frog, Zootopia, etc.
 
JZLobo

JZLobo

Well-Known Member
You're not alone.

Look I love me some superheroes and I'm enjoying the hell out of the Marvel movies and I even think The Last Jedi was in the top 3 Star Wars movies. But I have mixed feelings about giving Disney my money and I absolutely despise their current business practices. I loathe how they're trying to form a monopoly on entertainment media. It's... well, it's evil-overlord-levels of ambition, and despicably hypocritical given how they try to put forward this false image of family-friendly benevolence, while at the same time capitulating to Nazis. (Hashtag rehire James Gunn.)

And honestly, I find myself suspicious of anyone who doesn't regard Disney with a cynical eye. Maybe it's because I was so hardcore into Mickey Mouse as a kid and I always associated the shattering of that illusion with part of my growing up. Maybe because my lifelong abuser has always been obsessed with Disney and Mickey Mouse herself. But I've even found myself swiping left on dating apps when I see a woman is hardcore into Disney. Maybe it's hypocritical of me when I still hold on to my Transformers and superhero fandoms, but even as a kid I knew those existed just to sell toys and make money. I never got swept up in this false idealized "magic" like Disney tries to do. Disney just feels so culty and its modern incarnation is just riding on the reputation of a dead man's corpse.
 
Simo

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Also of note: they pay their park workers crap wages; at Disneyland and Disneyworld, many full time workers have to sleep in their cars, because Disney, despite the billions it makes, can't afford to even pay a living wage. Makes me wonder who the evil witch is, after all...I want nothing to do with anything Disney does anymore, and refuse to give them one thin dime. If I never have to suffer through another Star Wars movie, or horrible Marvel adaptation, all the better.

www.chicagotribune.com: Three-quarters of Disneyland employees can’t afford basic living expenses: survey

www.nytimes.com: Walt Disney World Workers Reach Deal for $15 Minimum Wage by 2021

Even with these increases, I still don't see how one is to make a living, with today's cost of rent/food/gas/utilities....
 
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Infrarednexus

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Simo said:
Also of note: they pay their park workers crap wages; at Disneyland and Disneyworld, many full time workers have to sleep in their cars, because Disney, despite the billions it makes, can't afford to even pay a living wage. Makes me wonder who the evil witch is, after all...I want nothing to do with anything Disney does anymore, and refuse to give them one thin dime. If I never have to suffer though another Star Wars movie, or horrible Marvel adaptation, all the better.
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Oddly enough, I have heard one of my friends say that they knew someone who worked at Disneyworld/Disneyland that was satisfied with their job their. I never believed it though. Disney once started out as a cartoonist with a cute mouse and turned into one of the most powerful corporations in the world. Enough people say that they are concerned with the conditions of working at these them parks, but it would be nearly impossible to win a court case with all the lawyers and tricks the Disney empire has.

They may have made some wonderful cartoons and movies, but that's no excuse for treating their workers so poorly and lying about it.
 
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