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American food is unhealthy: truth or myth? What about GMOs?

Kosdu

Member
GMOs *can* be bad for human health, theoretically. If the person that does it is really really dim.
In practice, I believe alot of it comes from companies selling seed that farmers will have to buy year after year.

Also, our portion sizes were nailed.
 

Luki

Member
The thing that scares me the most are deep fried everythings... Like...ew. I already can't stand "regular" deep fried things,like chips, and then I see the things some people eat...*barf*
 

Byron

Moshi Moshi, Byron Desu~
I am an American, a Texan no less, and I cannot stand deep fried food. Anything that has been battered and submerged in boiling oil makes me instantaneously nauseated. Fried catfish and hushpuppies is my idea of culinary hell.

I believe alot of it comes from companies selling seed that farmers will have to buy year after year.
Totally. Monsanto et al are basically 500 super Hitlers. I think this is where Rassah and I can start disagreeing again...
 

grassfed

Indica Dominant
My problem with GMO's is the roundup-ready crops. Our conventionally farmed foods are already sprayed with lots of pesticides and shit..

probiotic, natural farming is the key to clean, healthy food.
 

GamingGal

Member
Totally. Monsanto et al are basically 500 super Hitlers. I think this is where Rassah and I can start disagreeing again...

And the fact that Monsanto will sue farmers who try to reuse seed >.> I hate Big Pharma and Big Food. We've given the things that keep us alive over to corporations. May God have mercy on us.

probiotic, natural farming is the key to clean, healthy food.


Agreed. Be it the steriods and antibiotics in meat/dairy animals or the pesticides in food, all of it needs to go. There is no chain for it to filter down so it's less concentrated when it gets to us. It's just injection and then us. We're practically embalming ourselves for the grave.
 

GamingGal

Member
I don't like it either, but you can't farm enough food that way. Too many humans.

Actually, we could. If we stopped mass producing meat the way we do and converted some of those disgusting factory farms and fecal ponds into fields again, we could put QUITE a big dent in the issue of starvation.
 
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Deleted member 82554

Guest
I don't like it either, but you can't farm enough food that way. Too many humans.

Then what we need is a good ol' war, or some other cloak and dagger campaign to justify human extinction and the freeing up of resources. Of course, that seems to be a formula us humans are very good at - so I am being semi-serious.
 

Kosdu

Member
I believe farming in more healthy manner would be easily functional IF we stop eating waaaaaay too much meat and crops that just aren't that efficient, and stop wasting food.

I'll let Jon Oliver Explain: http://youtu.be/i8xwLWb0lLY

Do watch it, please.
 

Rassah

Well-Known Member
Totally. Monsanto et al are basically 500 super Hitlers. I think this is where Rassah and I can start disagreeing again...

I don't believe in "intellectual property" and think it's a stupid, government-made-up concept that only propagates monopolies, and thus Monsanto is the devil, so we agree on that point. You can probably start disagreeing with me about IP though.
 
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Deleted member 82554

Guest
I don't believe in "intellectual property" and think it's a stupid, government-made-up concept that only propagates monopolies, and thus Monsanto is the devil, so we agree on that point. You can probably start disagreeing with me about IP though.

Well, I heard that Monsanto genetically modifies their seeds so they can patent them, because food is the one thing that you cant legally own. Of course, that was just a rumor.
 

grassfed

Indica Dominant
I don't like it either, but you can't farm enough food that way. Too many humans.

You gotta be kidding. These methods of farming and permaculture are far more sustainable, keeps the soil healthy and produces more nutrient dense food. There will always be big farms using 'modern' growing methogs to supply supermarkets with your average crap produce but more and more people are becoming concerned with where their food comes from and how its grown/processed. Organic farms are on the rise and backyard/community gardens have the capability to produce more than enough. The problem is people dont want to learn these more in-depth methods of organic gardening or do the work to make it happen.
 

Ieono

Uberaffe
The strong should feed on the weak, and the weak should feed on organic greenery. That fixes that problem.
 

GamingGal

Member
You gotta be kidding. These methods of farming and permaculture are far more sustainable, keeps the soil healthy and produces more nutrient dense food. There will always be big farms using 'modern' growing methogs to supply supermarkets with your average crap produce but more and more people are becoming concerned with where their food comes from and how its grown/processed. Organic farms are on the rise and backyard/community gardens have the capability to produce more than enough. The problem is people dont want to learn these more in-depth methods of organic gardening or do the work to make it happen.

Totally agree. If we stopped trying to over-mass-produce this subpar food, which isn't going to fix hunger cause it's lacking in nutrients, and focus instead on organic farming and tending to the land, we could solve a lot of the issues we're facing. Look at polyculture. Instead of stripping a field of it's nutrients by throwing one crop type at a time on it, plant multiple crops on it. A lot of the times the crops will work with each other. I saw a guy who had fruit trees/bushes, but had other produces growing beneath them and it worked phenomenally because they supported each other. You know, how ecosystems do....
 

grassfed

Indica Dominant
monocropping is terrible for the land. Even ancient people knew that, they wouldnt grow the same kind of crop in one field more than 2-3 times before either letting it rest or just planting a different crop. Companion planting can be very beneficial.
 

Filter

uwu
Americans come from all over the world, and our culinary options reflect this. Italian food is quite popular here! How well you eat will largely depend on how well you can handle the variety. Fruits and vegetables are cheap and plentiful, but so is junk food. Make healthy choices and you'll be fine.
 

MalletFace

The slave of the Jlfksjlfl
Banned
American food is just as unhealthy as any other cuisine. You choose if you let it get you obese or not.

I eat at a fast food restaurant less than once a month. Most people I know only regularly go to one fast food restaurant, Bojangles', to get biscuits in the morning, and that's only if they don't care to make their own biscuits or ran out of leftover ones.

I'm not totally sure about fruits and vegetables, but I think the price is pretty fine around here. Most single fruits and vegetables are under one dollar, unless sold by weight, and you can usually get more of those than you can sodas, snack cakes, or other junk with the same amount of cash as far as I have experienced. Around here, peaches, apples, okra, various peas, plums, corn, watermelons, pumpkins and a whole host of other fruits and vegetables are especially cheap when in season.

You're missing out if you dread American food. Cornbread, pulled pork, pecan pie, red velvet cake, and livermush are just a few things I can think of that I see regularly that are delicious, especially if homemade. Even though delicious usually means you'll get fat off of it, you just have to moderate what you eat with how active you are. I eat barbeque, pork chops, and chilli normally at least once every week and I'm as thin as a twig.

If you're worried about GMOs, you could probably find better information in papers than you can with random people on this forum.

The fact is that most people who don't buy foods labelled organic in any industrialized country are likely buying foods that, at some point, have been genetically modified. Unlike some people against GMOs would like you to believe, though GMOs are widespread, we havn't had a Skynet level uprising of mutant tomatoes spreading death like we spread tomato sauce.
 

Argonne

Why worry
Even though it takes me very little to feel full, I love food and quite frankly I can't think of anyone who doesn't. I think we often overlook how important it is to our happiness and well being to eat some good food

My favourite cuisine is italian while my most dreaded is american. I mean, I enjoy eating some trash food at McDonalds but only every once in a while. I'm sorry, but while the US attract me for a couple of reasons (I'm considering to go to college there), food definitely isn't amongst them. These may just be rumors, but I hear that in the US they make an extensive usage of genetically modified organisms which on the long run can cause tumors, cancers and all that shit. I've seen a documentary years back about how they modify organisms to enhance some of their traits, like plants growing larger than usual and being more resistant to certain adversities, or to speed up production, such as chicken who grow faster and larger in very little time. Only this tampering with these organisms' DNA has serious collateral effects apparently

So my question is: is that true? Is food in the US really as unhealthy as they say, or is that all a myth? Is it true that GMOs are that dangerous? I for one heard they're much more common than I think and that the US is definitely not the only place where they (allegedly) use 'em so heavily. Are healthy foods avaiable in the US? 'Cause I also heard that simple fruit and vegetables can be fucking expensive there, unlike precooked and frozen foods. Is it true that the average american eats with an excessive frequency at fast food restaurants? I wonder, is it any different in neighbouring Canada? What's your diet like where you live, american or not?
I'm sorry if this sounds like an interrogation to y'all haha but, really, I'm actually just curious to know how people from other countries deal with food
Yeah it's true but you can eat healthy...a lot of people will say gmo doesn't matter but Im allergic to all grains and get sick from most foods I eat it to stay alive that's it.. Food isn't a happy thing for me, my mother went to about 8 doctors before they figured out what was wrong, her and I are allergic to almost everything, the doctors traced it to genetic modifications, she can't eat rice,corn ,wheat, any milk products grape fruit,oranges,lemons,limes,some tomatoes,and a few other things...and even soy makes her and I sick if we eat enough of it... So you don't really have to avoid gmo but if you can find organic eat that, I'm assuming your from Europe you might get sick from the gmo here, because your body won't be used to it,.....humans should be more careful when messing with things we don't quite understand. This is hurting a lot of people and they can't figure it out. Hope this helps just buy the healthy stuff and you'll be fine.
 

Argonne

Why worry
Well, I heard that Monsanto genetically modifies their seeds so they can patent them, because food is the one thing that you cant legally own. Of course, that was just a rumor.
And have sued and destroyed farmers who "accidentally" end up with their wheat. But that's also just a rumor.
 

Argonne

Why worry
And the fact that Monsanto will sue farmers who try to reuse seed >.> I hate Big Pharma and Big Food. We've given the things that keep us alive over to corporations. May God have mercy.
you can't reuse gmo food, and I'm not into conspiracy at all, but if you replant gmo most of the crops won't take and the ones that do are actually toxic as far as I can tell, so if say one day the economy collapsed, there will be no grains that will be edible
 

Argonne

Why worry
I'll be in the grave at least 15 years sooner thanks to gmo, my mom will be lucky to make it to 55....that should be enough reason for anyone to do a bit of research on it...
 

MalletFace

The slave of the Jlfksjlfl
Banned
I'll be in the grave at least 15 years sooner thanks to gmo, my mom will be lucky to make it to 55....that should be enough reason for anyone to do a bit of research on it...

The FDA requires all GMOs, just like any other food, to be tested for new allergens and toxins, and no GMOs have been found to contain allergens or toxins their organic counterparts do not have. This is because most allergens and toxins are proteins the plant produces and severe changes to these go beyond what the genetic engineers intend to do.

Your doctors could not likely have directly traced it to genetic modifications if it is an allergy or toxin.

If they have, I'd like to know how they did it, as your doctors are some kind of science superheroes if they were able to do that with what they have available.

The FDA would want to know how they did it, as whomever produced and grew the GMOs you ate are breaking federal law, and they are somehow creating even more allergens in the plants that people are already really, really, really likely to have allergies to. The U.S. government considers knowingly doing that a biological attack, and will classify it further based on why they did it.

But, really, could you inform me how they connected these already common allergies to GMOs?
 

Rassah

Well-Known Member
Some of the claims here, like about mass grown food having lower nutrients, or being toxic, seem really outlandish. Do you guys have actual sources to back that up that don't come from naturalnews.com? Generally GMO, aka selective breeding, foods are bred to be stronger, require fewer resources to survive, and be more nutritious, sometimes providing nutrients that the original version of the crop didn't even have.
 

Byron

Moshi Moshi, Byron Desu~
You can probably start disagreeing with me about IP though.
I'll give it a shot: I think an artist who makes a living off of his work should be able to legally defend it from unauthorized reproduction and sale. I also understand that the copyright system is rife with abuse somehow, but I don't care that much and didn't pay attention.

produces more nutrient dense food.
More nutrient dense food... Which is eaten by insects and destroyed by disease and fungus. The goal isn't nutrition or flavor, unfortunately, the goal is crop yield. Copper sulfate and boric acid are great, but Round-Up®™ is the only thing effective enough at this scale.

I'll be in the grave at least 15 years sooner thanks to gmo
[citation needed]
 
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