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American food is unhealthy: truth or myth? What about GMOs?

Cyanomega

Well-Known Member
Arguing that portion size is a actual factor seems ridiculous. You are essentially saying Americans have no self control and will gorge themselfs on whatever is put before them. That's a crock of shit. I've never in my whole 32 years of existence met someone who just said "oh, someone dumped a ton of food in front of me! Guess I have no chose but to overstuff myself!"
the only exceptions are on holidays like thanksgiving and Christmas. Do people honestly think Americans just mindless eat all day and don't give a damn about their physical health?
 

Byron

Moshi Moshi, Byron Desu~
I've never in my whole 32 years of existence met someone who just said "oh, someone dumped a ton of food in front of me! Guess I have no chose but to overstuff myself!"
Know how I know you've never been to the South?
 

Cyanomega

Well-Known Member
I've lived in south Carolina and Kentucky, and yes, you do seem to see more overweight people in the south, but that dosen't represent America as a whole.
 
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MalletFace

The slave of the Jlfksjlfl
Banned
I've lived in North Carolina and Kentucky, and yes, you do seem to see more overweight people in the south, but that dosen't represent America as a whole.

Even though I don't think portion size is a good argument for America being unhealthy, the South is a huge chunk of America's population. Anything going on there is a major part of what America is, just like anything going on in the North or on the West Coast.
 

Cyanomega

Well-Known Member
I veiw it as over generalization of America as a whole. But you know what, I'm just one person with one opinion. Granted a seemingly unpopular one. I just don't see the country as a whole as unhealthy as it is portrayed. Maybe I'm just a idealistic, look for the best kind of idiot.
 

Rassah

Well-Known Member
Regarding huge portion sizes, I spent two weeks in Italy. When you order pizza at a restaurant, they bring a medium sized pizza. On a plate. Just for you. Talk about huge portion sizes! In US we'd eat half of that, and without the apitizer before and desert after.
 

GarthTheWereWolf

Captious Lycanthrope of Forum Legend
Arguing that portion size is a actual factor seems ridiculous. You are essentially saying Americans have no self control and will gorge themselfs on whatever is put before them. That's a crock of shit. I've never in my whole 32 years of existence met someone who just said "oh, someone dumped a ton of food in front of me! Guess I have no chose but to overstuff myself!"
the only exceptions are on holidays like thanksgiving and Christmas. Do people honestly think Americans just mindless eat all day and don't give a damn about their physical health?

Its more that Americans have no idea of what a proper healthy portion size is supposed to be really.

This is an example of how the portions of a meal should be

This is a typical portion size you'll get from most restaurants in America

This also

We're supposed to have half the plate with vegetables with our meals. More often though we end up with half the plate being meat or starch with little to no amount being veggies.

A good way to figure out proper portioning on the fly is actually to look at your hand. and keep Daily serving requirements in mind when you do.

You say people aren't over stuffing themselves, but really... most are just so used to eating massive portions of food they don't even realize they just ate more than 2 servings in a single meal. Their stomachs have stretched to accommodate the larger portion sizes they're indulging in so they don't feel full from normal amounts of food. Check out this image. Can you honestly say that most people you know eat only the amount of food on the right, when the amount of food on the left is put in front of them?
 

Argonne

Why worry
The FDA requires all GMOs, just like any other food, to be tested for new allergens and toxins, and no GMOs have been found to contain allergens or toxins their organic counterparts do not have. This is because most allergens and toxins are proteins the plant produces and severe changes to these go beyond what the genetic engineers intend to do.

Your doctors could not likely have directly traced it to genetic modifications if it is an allergy or toxin.

If they have, I'd like to know how they did it, as your doctors are some kind of science superheroes if they were able to do that with what they have available.

The FDA would want to know how they did it, as whomever produced and grew the GMOs you ate are breaking federal law, and they are somehow creating even more allergens in the plants that people are already really, really, really likely to have allergies to. The U.S. government considers knowingly doing that a biological attack, and will classify it further based on why they did it.

But, really, could you inform me how they connected these already common allergies to GMOs?
It's not necessarily a direct fact that they had or still have, as far as they can tell it's because of either two things, 1 it's because the gmo grains proteins are so strong that our bodies can't digest them, or that our bodies aren't recognizing them as food because their DNa has drastically changed, so our bodies reject it. If I eat enough wheat I will literally throw up. As far as being allergic to milk goes, it's either the hormones or the fact that cows are eating gmo food, we still are relatively not sure as to why were allergic to the milk.
 

Argonne

Why worry
Some of the claims here, like about mass grown food having lower nutrients, or being toxic, seem really outlandish. Do you guys have actual sources to back that up that don't come from naturalnews.com? Generally GMO, aka selective breeding, foods are bred to be stronger, require fewer resources to survive, and be more nutritious, sometimes providing nutrients that the original version of the crop didn't even have.
honestly as a businessman you should know that money talks to people especially in large amounts, gmo food is strictly designed to be grown faster and in larger quantities than normal, it allows a lot of people to make a pretty penny, why if you were a multi-billion dollar company like Monsanto would you let any discrimination against you stand.

and I could ask you the same thing where's your proof they are more nutritious, and on top of that why do you even feel the need to stand up for something that is still not known wether it is good or bad?
 

Rassah

Well-Known Member
A body can't reject food because of some DNA in it. The food is broken down into separate chemical components, like calcium, protein, iron, sugars, starches sodium, and other things like that. Only one of those things is DNA. Please some science.

If you want to discriminate against Monsanto, no one is stopping you.
 

Sonlir

the worst
Regarding huge portion sizes, I spent two weeks in Italy. When you order pizza at a restaurant, they bring a medium sized pizza. On a plate. Just for you. Talk about huge portion sizes! In US we'd eat half of that, and without the apitizer before and desert after.
This is Italy we're talking about, how could you eat Italian food all the time and only eat normally? It's too damn good.
 
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Amiir

Guest
Italian food rocks, that's all there is to it. Best cuisine in the world
 

Argonne

Why worry
I'll be in the grave at least 15 years sooner thanks to gmo, my mom will be lucky to make it to 55....that should be enough reason for anyone to do a bit of research on it...
I'm asking you to do your own research on it I'm not claiming to have all the answers, I really don't even care if you disagree with me just google it for yourself, tell Ya what take a notepad and search,"is gmo poisonesss" then search "gmo food advances in science" write down your impressions from a neutral perspective and then feel free to make up your own mind, I didn't say this to try and persuade anyone the op asked everyone for their opinion and these are my experiences and my opinions, if you disagree great! I really don't care to argue so please don't argue with me because there's no doubt I'll need surgery eventually and there's little chance of me changing my mind. So please do your own research answer the ops question with your opinion. that way he take everyones opinion into account does his own research and creates his own opinion.
 
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Amiir

Guest
Argonne, could you multiquote please? So that we can keep this thread nice and tidy
 

Argonne

Why worry
It's not really hard to find non gmo fruits and vegetables here, but grains are almost impossible to find gmo free.
 

Argonne

Why worry
Argonne, could you multiquote please? So that we can keep this thread nice and tidy
I would but I don't have a computer, and I run everything off my phone, once the text gets to certain size my phone can't handle it, apologies to all who have this experience with me..
 

Argonne

Why worry
Maybe you're just lactose intolerant.
I wish it was that simple, the protein my body is allergic to is called casein. What causes Allergies is a lot more complicated than people assume. But I'm also not a doctor. Google casien if you'd like.
 

Rassah

Well-Known Member
Popular Science mag http://www.popsci.com/article/science/core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked
Genetic Literacy Project http://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...ving-gmos-are-harmful-not-if-science-matters/

Fact is, almost all food we eat now, and that we have been for a century or more, are genetically modified. People with no background in science hear "Genetically Modified," get an image of some mad scientist lab, or toxic mutants, and freak out. But your bananas, apples, strawbery, broccoli, and most other things you eat which are considered healthy aren't found in nature. They have been genetically modified through selective breeding, much like GMOs are done today. So the studies that compare GMO foods to non GMO versions are mostly bunk, because their "non-GMO" foods are GMOs too, just more accepted as "natural" due to them being around for a while.

I swear, these scientifically illiterate sensationalists have already ruined the AWESOME technology of irradiating food, which would have made some of the GMO unnecessary (Apples and tomatoes that are genetically modified not to spoil quickly? Spray with wax and irradiate, and they'll last for weeks!), but nooooo, "Radiation! Nuclear! We don't know what it will do to our bodies!" The answer was "nothing" and now we have to suffer for it.

If you want some entertainment (or lose faith in humanity), Google about how microwaves are terrible and make your food poisonous by doing things like "making proteins fold from the heat (otherwise known as " cooking").
 

Byron

Moshi Moshi, Byron Desu~
Everything Rassah has said today makes total sense to me. I'm starting to fear there might be a gas leak in my house or something.
 

MalletFace

The slave of the Jlfksjlfl
Banned
Everything Rassah has said today makes total sense to me. I'm starting to fear there might be a gas leak in my house or something.

Now is when you should pray that the gas leak is where he is.

I veiw it as over generalization of America as a whole. But you know what, I'm just one person with one opinion. Granted a seemingly unpopular one. I just don't see the country as a whole as unhealthy as it is portrayed. Maybe I'm just a idealistic, look for the best kind of idiot.

I totally agree with your view of American health. I've rarely even seen somebody severely overweight, and all of the joggers, bikers, and skaters makes it surprising that obesity is indeed a problem. It is, but it isn't going to destroy America any time soon.

The day that at least one corner of every large town I have ever been to doesn't have a yoga place, a pool, or a Planet Fitness is going to be distant.

Added because I am dumb and double-posting is dumb:

It's not necessarily a direct fact that they had or still have, as far as they can tell it's because of either two things, 1 it's because the gmo grains proteins are so strong that our bodies can't digest them, or that our bodies aren't recognizing them as food because their DNa has drastically changed, so our bodies reject it. If I eat enough wheat I will literally throw up. As far as being allergic to milk goes, it's either the hormones or the fact that cows are eating gmo food, we still are relatively not sure as to why were allergic to the milk.

If it isn't a direct fact, don't take it as one. That's a dangerous way to live and leads to more harm than good.

1. GMO proteins are no different from organic organism proteins and are only dangerous if that was the intent.

The proteins you ingest will be no different, and will certainly not be more difficult for your body to digest.

This is because we know exactly what each protein we are looking at does, which of and which structure of the amino acids forms the protein, and what section of DNA will produce this protein. This is constant through all life ever found, and why the protein from DNA in a bacterial cell can be exactly the same as a protein from DNA in a eukaryote of expanding complexity. This is why GM bacteria can be used to produce insulin for diabetics that functions exactly as it would organically from your body.

This isn't some strange thing we are just stepping onto. We have been building this up for millennia. Despite what some people want you to believe, we know exactly what we are doing. We are so good at this we can make potatoes produce ricin and make lemons produce the proteins that make anthrax deadly.

That is why we know how to change the DNA of wheat to produce proteins harmful to certain bacteria and insects but that our bodies won't notice.

2. You have a disorder if your body reacts to DNA in that way.

The cells of most creatures do not react to DNA because of the danger of self-attack and the wasted energy and material that results in. DNA is only an antigen in the bodies of creatures with disorders that allow the innate immune defense to react to it. Most people cannot have an allergy to anything because of its DNA. If DNA acts as an antigen in your body, you have a disorder.

Also, this would still be amazing for medical doctors to figure out. That they would have the know-how on the specifics of any given company's GMOs to be able to tell you that a specific protein in something you ate did this as a result of genetic engineering or that specific DNA was changed in a way to allow you to have an allergy to only that specific section of DNA and not any similar or identical patterns that would occur naturally in your body so as to keep your cells from attacking themselves.
 
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Cyanomega

Well-Known Member
@garththewerewolf
you are showing a pic of a high in fat and calorie fast food meal. Something I and most people I know eat maybe once a month.
and yes, almost everyone I know eats proper portions of food. There is this wonderful concept I'm not sure you know about called leftovers. You see, instead of eating all of the massive lunch/dinner you made all by yourself, you save a big portion of it to eat later.
I will say sometimes you are in a situation where you are encouraged to overeat, but I have listed those before
 

Ieono

Uberaffe
Humanity can play god, because we created god. It is just a bit absurd to hear arguments like "It isn't natural" in this day and age.
 

Cyanomega

Well-Known Member
Ieono, don't be ridiculous. Humanity can't play God. We've lost the rules, most of the peices are missing and the boards been torn to shit! We have to buy a new copy first!
 
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