Americans do what americans do best
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Cozmo said:
Uhm...no shit.
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I guess people keep forgetting that ff is on IRL.
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DruoxTheFurrinator
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lol...no, he lagged! LAG DAMNIT!!!!
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TELEFRAG'D!!
Seriously, "we are clear of friendlies" - if the "friendlies" were moving/located without confirming movement with not just US troops but any other friendly forces, they knew what risk they were running. You can't just say "they had friendly flags on them" (I'm guessing the orange stuff they're talking about) because who's to say the enemy wasn't disguising themselves? I'm not a tactician or even very knowledgable about the military but this seems like common sense to me.
edit: haha, was typing this while the vid was playing. I do really feel bad for the Americans here, it was an honest mistake.
Seriously, "we are clear of friendlies" - if the "friendlies" were moving/located without confirming movement with not just US troops but any other friendly forces, they knew what risk they were running. You can't just say "they had friendly flags on them" (I'm guessing the orange stuff they're talking about) because who's to say the enemy wasn't disguising themselves? I'm not a tactician or even very knowledgable about the military but this seems like common sense to me.
edit: haha, was typing this while the vid was playing. I do really feel bad for the Americans here, it was an honest mistake.
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At least make a coherent post when you want to bash another country.
I see Cozmo gets his news from a highly respectable source.
So what is it those in your country of your caliber do best? Post crappy threads to furry forums, spewing ignorant, xenophobic garbage? Gee, maybe if you go HUG those you're fighting, maybe everything will be fine and they won't be inclined to shoot you first! GJ.
So what is it those in your country of your caliber do best? Post crappy threads to furry forums, spewing ignorant, xenophobic garbage? Gee, maybe if you go HUG those you're fighting, maybe everything will be fine and they won't be inclined to shoot you first! GJ.
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Pomander said:
I never said my opion at all , just the genral view of it from britan. Im pro-war and at no point in my post did i do the "This is what happens from war" shit. Im just pissed that they though that "freindly" was higher in life value. I know killing is nessary in war but it shouldent be enjoyed.
Pomander said:
I guess calling them 'twats' for being discussed that they killed thier own people instead of the one they were sent there to fight isn't stating his opnion in his mind, let alone the thread's title.
Just let him think what ever, there's no point in argueing with a fool.
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Um.. I am appauled at this thread... being both half british and American. We shouldn't look away nether should we draw attention to it. England and America are allies and close friends dispite the revolutionary war. What I'm saying is, don't rock the boat, cause next time you could decide to post something on a muslims, some radicist listening in would have this forums on their news and start burning flags.. like how they over reacted to those cartoons.
Please don't bad mouth others for something you know nothing about other then what the media feeds you.
Please don't bad mouth others for something you know nothing about other then what the media feeds you.
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DruoxTheFurrinator said:
[size=xx-small]For the sake of avoiding looking like a troll, which apparently I inadvertently do a lot, I'm going to stay out of the real topic. But ...[/size]
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I like how prejudice the title of this thread is.
Also the video wouldn't load for me.
Also the video wouldn't load for me.
Hanazawa said:
Uhm...A few points here.
i) They attacked a convoy of Scimitar CVRTs/light tanks. Those are pretty much exclusively used by British armed forces. There is very little that the hostile forces in iraq would be using that would look anything like them.
ii) All military forces (especially those who fly close air support/Tank buster aircraft like the A-10) are supposed to receive target identification training. They were displaying their marker panels (the orange things they mention 5-6 times in the video/transcript) which are implicitly required to help avoid air to ground blue on blue incidents like this. Sure, they potentially COULD have been faked, but so could ANY kind of identification system. It's there to act as an extra layer of recognising friendly forces, that's all. Other forms of doing so are still more important.Which they obviously failed at (thinking they were ZIL 157s according to the transcript.)
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iii) The british forces were not provided with US IFF electronic recognition devices, which is likely where the whole "no friendlies in the area" came from. That, or it was yet another in a series of miscommunicational misunderstandings.
iv) Not having a positive ID on your target means you don't engage. It's one of the most basic rules to follow if you are in a situation where you are not under direct fire. Even the A-10 Pilot operational procedures makes this clear.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/11oa10v3.pdf said:
They still did not have a positive ID when they went on their second run.
v) The British troops' calls for ceasefire were ignored/not heard after the first pass until during/after the second attack run.
vi) potential MAJOR communication issues between the FACs and pilots. The FAC (Manilla Hotel) may have been thinking they were engaging the vehicles in the "revetts" as opposed to the convoy.
Which came after the first attack run.
Not that I particularly blame the pilots completely. They were obviously distraught over it. It's a large fault of communication breakdown between the FACs and the pilots. The whole thing is a huge mess.
One tends to feel more remorse for killing a comrade than someone on the other side. Especially in something that relies on comradery as the military. Be surprised as you want, it's the truth.
ps: The video probably needs IE.
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The video was doctored to hide that it wasn't accidental, but that American soldiers are a bunch of kill-happy bloodthirsty maniacs with no regard for anything but death and destruction while engaging against the Righteous Fighters looking to drive the infidels out.
(And if anyone thinks I'm being serious, above, get your sarcasm detecter retuned.
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Also, color me unsurprised at the contents of the original post, after reading its subject line. :roll:
(And if anyone thinks I'm being serious, above, get your sarcasm detecter retuned.
)Also, color me unsurprised at the contents of the original post, after reading its subject line. :roll:
Hanazawa said:imnohbody said:(And if anyone thinks I'm being serious, above, get your sarcasm detecter retuned.
Be more over the top, sarcasm is easier detected when you're obviously out of proportion.
Are you implying that his sarcastic statement is partially true? Who's side are you on! D:
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sasaki said:Hanazawa said:imnohbody said:(And if anyone thinks I'm being serious, above, get your sarcasm detecter retuned.
Be more over the top, sarcasm is easier detected when you're obviously out of proportion.
Are you implying that his sarcastic statement is partially true? Who's side are you on! D:
If he hadn't said he was being sarcastic I would have been going "DOCTORED VIDEOS WHAT WHAT WHERE" :<
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