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Art is not a job? What nonesense is this...?

Is art a real job?


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Sar

Guest
Unless you make money from it, then you can't call it real job. Much liker forum moderation. You don't get paid for it, its not a real job. Both are voluntary without pay.
 

Muffinz the Fox

New Member
I think that art can be considered a job.

what is a job anyways? Anything that is a paid position of employment is a job, so to some art is a job, to others it is just a hobby I guess.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
I say that if you can make a partially livable income from making art (part time pay to full time), then yes it is.
If you make chump change now and again, I'd define it as a hobby.
 

Willow

FAF's #1 Terrorist
I think the problem is that people equate the word artist with a hobby. Even though even simpler things like logos and signs require the art of a graphic design artist. But most people don't realize that almost anything with a symbol on it had to be drawn by an artist who was commissioned to do it.

And they assume because someone is an artist, they're not being immediately paid to do it. Because no one's actively buying that stuff like they would say a singer's album or an actor's movie.
I meant cash, but that's an acceptable payment too.
Prostitutes get paid for that.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
If people are getting an income from it, then it is a job. A stereotype persists that lots of artists get an unreliable and insufficient income and, unfortunately, celebrity artists who get gargantuan incomes sometimes get it for paying assistants to produce work, or just pissing around.

I'm not sure how true that stereotype is for most people who decide they want to be artists...although I do suspect lots. I know an artist who gets paid to produce political art for the liberal democrat party. Her art is no better than the average 15 year old and I suspect she has been guaranteed a job because she is somebody's friend, rather than because she's any good. Despite the fact she gets money...I really can't view her job as 'real'.
 

Aleu

Deuces
If people are getting an income from it, then it is a job. A stereotype persists that lots of artists get an unreliable and insufficient income and, unfortunately, celebrity artists who get gargantuan incomes sometimes get it for paying assistants to produce work, or just pissing around.

I'm not sure how true that stereotype is for most people who decide they want to be artists...although I do suspect lots. I know an artist who gets paid to produce political art for the liberal democrat party. Her art is no better than the average 15 year old and I suspect she has been guaranteed a job because she is somebody's friend, rather than because she's any good. Despite the fact she gets money...I really can't view her job as 'real'.

Just because you don't think she 'deserves' the job doesn't mean that her job isn't real.
 

Torrijos-sama

The Artist Formerly Known as Jesusfish
Art for art's sake is a job. Drawings for money and commissions are not a job, but profiteering that is engaged in by a minority of this nation's Intelligentsia as a way to profit both from the Bourgeois and the petit-bourgeois as a way of avoiding having to become a wage-slave like the rest of the proletariat. It's a safety-net for students and lazy people.

True artists are guided by vision, and a quest to create an authentic manifestation of that vision. Everyone else has a compromised vision that is limited by what they've trained themselves with. Unless they're creating something, like statues or masks, they essentially sell arrangements of pixels to people who have a vision but lack skills.
 
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Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Just because you don't think she 'deserves' the job doesn't mean that her job isn't real.

Sadly yes. Her job is like the head of a restaurant paying one of the chefs to sit in the corner banging frying pans together to scare away the ghosts.

JesusFish, I'm not quite sure if you're being sarcastic.
 

VGmaster9

Well-Known Member
Shame that I don't have the mental capacity to do art. If I really got into it, I might have it for a job.
 

LadyToorima

Nyaa nyaa~
Such a silly question and it's been answered many times so I won't waste too much of anyones time.

Of course it is~
 

Aleu

Deuces
Sadly yes. Her job is like the head of a restaurant paying one of the chefs to sit in the corner banging frying pans together to scare away the ghosts.

JesusFish, I'm not quite sure if you're being sarcastic.
Given the poll choices...he's serious
 

Darkwing

Member
I believe it can be a full-time/part time job, however, I've heard that getting there can be difficult :p

I managed to get a job as an artist once and I only did one job and got paid $20 and then she never called me in again lol.

I mean sure you can make money from art, but making a living off of it could be hard to get to unless you make yourself really stand out by doing something awesome and skillful.
 

Fingerdawg

The Dawg with Fingers
I picked no, cause i'm sure most people on the internet 3/4 don't get paid for the art they make on the internet and that counts as memes, devinatart submissions, everything else etc. While 1/4 does make hella money off what they create. Bottom line for me is if you're not making any money regardless of how much you enjoy it. It's not a job nor a business since it's a hobby. I made art for various people, i never seen it as a job. In the real world, your art skills have to be VERY VERY VERY high for you to get a job as a artist and keep a stable income. In high school, i wanted it to be my profession but I grew the fuck up and decided to go into computer science and other shit. Which is it's own for of art.
 

Itzal

Active Member
I do think art could be a part time job, with commissioners doing as they do. It could also be full time. Either way, if there are two parties involved, and one is providing a good/service that the other is paying for, then it's a job. When it's only involving a single person and no payment, then it's hobby. Either way, there's a huge amount of work being done. So no one could argue it's a light task to handle.

*steps off soapbox*
 

malk

ravioli?
This question is ridiculous. Of course it is. Anything can be a job and art is anything that you can get away with.

Art in any capacity can be a valid job, but just so that we're clear, what kind of art are we talking about here? Is this just an argument of online commissioned art, or is it all art? "Art" is a pretty broad term to use.
 

Aleu

Deuces
I picked no, cause i'm sure most people on the internet 3/4 don't get paid for the art they make on the internet and that counts as memes, devinatart submissions, everything else etc. While 1/4 does make hella money off what they create. Bottom line for me is if you're not making any money regardless of how much you enjoy it. It's not a job nor a business since it's a hobby. I made art for various people, i never seen it as a job. In the real world, your art skills have to be VERY VERY VERY high for you to get a job as a artist and keep a stable income. In high school, i wanted it to be my profession but I grew the fuck up and decided to go into computer science and other shit. Which is it's own for of art.
Do you have something to back up those stats or did you just pull those out of your ass?

Also if art isn't a job, what do you call graphic design? Illustrators? Do they just do things for free?
 

ceacar99

behold my boomstick!
One artist by the name of Silverone posted a journal today that answers those two questions after someone said art is not a real job. What are your views on this?


For me, I have to say art is a job, being a writer myself, I can say that sitting down to write is not easy.

we need artists to dream beautiful dreams. however i will say we seem startlingly short of engineers to take those images and ideas and make them a reality for humanity. this is the first year ever that an engineer graduate from the school of mines will earn more than a business graduate from harvord.

and there is great value in art like paintings and books that do not have ideas for the physical betterment of mankind simply in that their very presence can create joy and soothe the soul allowing one's hands to do work well once again.

added; is an engineer an artist?
 
It is and it isn't. That's for the person creating the art to decide. If most of their art is being made for profit rather than for the sake of the art itself, then they've taken it from a hobby to a job.

As for engineers, I think they're mostly not artists. Except for the design engineers whose job it is to make a product look good, they are concerned with function rather than form.
 

kv195

Member
Yeah I'd mostly consider it a job if it does benefit others mostly. I mean, looking at H.R. Giger's work, that definitively takes a ton of time and skill to create such beautiful painting. And of course, creating those cute-but-terrifying Xenomorphs, as well as air-brushing almost the entire set, that takes time which benefited into being such a wonderful movie. :)

Whoops got a bit off-topic there, but that "asshole" sounded like he just completely ignores everything around him that takes artistic creativity and skill. Of course it can be a hobby for others which is perfectly fine, and some a job which is fine as well, as long as it benefits society and/or themselves.
 

Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
Art is a certainly job when you're good at it and can make a living, until you put furry into the mix. Then things become less clear. Some people (like suitmakers or skilled artists) make it a job within the fandom and make a decent living, while others make it impossible to have an art job outside the fandom because they only know how to draw dog penises and/or random semi-skilled drawings of fursonas. No range, no talent, only schlock.
Replace all "furry" related words with anime words for the anime fandom, or any fandom really. You aren't a professional artist if you stick with OC porn, rule 34, or (possible) copyright violation fanart. You're just a fan. You need to be varied with your talents to make a living outside the commissions of mouthbreathing fanboys.

Don't become a professional artist if you want to (or can) draw only furries. That's a recipe for disaster. Those guys who draw awesome anthropomorphic animals? They likely can draw more than just furries. A lot more.
 
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Carnau

Ice cream is the only way
Art is definitely a job but I wouldn't get too butt-hurt over opposing views so suddenly however. It's just the times and economy we currently live in is all.
Back in Ancient Egypt, artists were regarded extremely high on the scale of social status and when they died they were buried with nearly the same respect as pharaohs were.
In the 80's and 90's art was kind of disregarded because our economy wasn't exactly hurting at the time, but with this decade's recession we're starting to see a change in that. As business opportunities and entrepreneurship are on the rise, people are finding a spot for art to flourish in subtle little ways.

All in all if you're an artist and you want to make money off of it, all hope is not lost for you.
 

Fyala

Artist
It depends on what you think the definition of 'job' is.
Being an artist (or anything like it) is not a regular job so you should not expect to be working with a 9-5 mentalitiy or that you create art every moment of the day. But for some it's a job yes, they earn (enough) money with this (which is my definition) and make a living from it.

This reminds me of the TV show Wife-swap, there are irregular families on there, some with artists as their father or mother. They usually swap with a family that is more about money and restrictions so you see the contrast. From the latter kind, some of these people think being an artist is not a job (which is quite funny).
 

PastryOfApathy

Well-Known Member
Art itself isn't really a job, I mean I make art all the time but I don't get paid for it or anything. However there are plenty of jobs that require artistic talents.
 
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