Attraction to Anthros - Is this Unusual?

[epslion]

..sorry streetcircus but i cant agree with your statement, in fact more then half of what you said would not be rational though to most people i know(if your gonna pull the, the people your talking about are furries crap don't bother, all of you could be blue facebook avatars for all i care i dont know any of you or any furries in rl for that matter, im not talking about church ether i don't go to church,im also an independent if your gonna pull the political argument)

I didn't say we should eliminate our emotions, but our emotions must be secondary to rationality. They have to be discarded if they are not absolutely advantageous.

the moment when rationality takes hold over our emotions, is the point when humans can do nothing more than evil

such thought is the very mind set of eugenics .. whether or not you intentionally were sending those themes, many of your posts gave them.

is it rational for you to help some one being mugged in an ally, perhaps not, but would you turn the other way and just leave as if nothing happened?

i sure wouldn't, so of course, i must be mentally, *ahem* insane

a wise man once said ''silence in the face of evil is evil, to not act is to act to not speak is to speak" and he paid the ultimate price to call out evil for evil

my own understanding of emotion(its 4 am when im writing this i Google it later) is that is not the same as a subconscious primal urge(so if you think im saying its ok to fuck fuck fuck everything that moves, your mistaken)


and you state that we deserve better than other creatures just because we can rationalize?

however i do concur that we are on a different level than say a dog, we understand the consequences our actions may cause, be it good or bad, we feel remorse for our actions, regret, shame, that is the main reason why i disprove of bestiality, sex between two coherent individuals both of who understand that there actions may bring new life into this world, is not the same as a dog whose instincts drive them to fuck, the primal urge may be the same but we think! we know what this will cause, but the dog does not, having intercourse with any animal is wrong, and is taking advantage of there instincts (i highly doubt a dog will say no if you shove your butt into its face,then again i don't have any pets) oh yeah don't forget to hate bash me, by my trying to explain a different topic in this post, about how i said if rational takes place over emotion

but what about grass? does it think, no,does it want, no ,does it feel, no, buts its very existence lets you live yours, so who is to say what species is more important, definitely not me, or you for that matter.
i do find anthros attractive both sexually and non sexuality, i do have a few weird fetishes. so go ahead focus on the little things, grandma, big bird,you know, women's rights that were not in any danger, but that's ok. it may just win your argument.

if im sound like an ass im not trying to be im just to tired to have a nice and pretty argument right now. its all mashed up as well

 

[Fallowfox]

I didn't say we should eliminate our emotions, but our emotions must be secondary to rationality. They have to be discarded if they are not absolutely advantageous.

Bertrand "R" seems to be propagating degeneration. Our rapidly diminishing resources cannot be spent on people who have no higher intention than to have fun and feel good. That's ignorance. The so called progress we have made towards happiness and convenience has resulted in cancer and the destruction of our habitat. Worth of life is measured by our awareness, and we expand our awareness by pursuing knowledge and power. You must believe that if you don't believe plants and insects deserve the same rights as horses and dolphins. The reason it's so heinous to set a horse on fire, and why it's okay to step on a spider is because the horse has a higher level of understanding. Just existing to experience one chemically induced high after another is a horrible burden on those of us who wish to accomplish something noble.

Most people are apathetic to beauty, especially when it comes to porn. Beauty enhances porn, but how many people actually want to watch anything but close-up penetration? It takes an artist to really value beauty in all things, and it's no coincidence that many furries are some type of artist.

A lot of women get weak in the knees at the thought of Robert Pattinson sucking on their necks, but they're not fetishists. Vampires have been romanticized, and so have anthros. Making everything a fetish will not mean that fetishists do not have to take responsibility for their social inequality. If you choose mindless pleasure over tact, then you deserve to be chastised.




I didn't see this reply until someone quoted it, but if you are attacked, it doesn't take an impulse for you to immediately flee. Impulse doesn't mean an instantaneous reaction, it means to have an involuntary response.


Also, read a book on aesthetics. That's where I learned about beauty as an objective concept, not my junior high art teacher.



I've never jerked off to furry porn, so I feel like I definitely do not have a fetish for it.

Pfft, you'd be lying if you claimed you lead a perfectly rational existance in which you exhibit emotions only when they have absolute advantage. You'd be lying because such a position would practically require omniscience. Life doesn't come in a series of helpful absolutes.

Bertrand Russell's point was that happiness is itself a valuable thing, he was not suggesting that anything done in pursuit of happiness is justifiable even if it is detrimental or down right harmful. Taking some time to enjoy yourself without needing to create a bullshit excuse to rationalise the fact you like dancing or watching old movies, is valuable because you enjoy it.

There is no universal measure of 'worth of life', shall we establish this? I'm not going to follow your inane argument that fetishists give in to subconscious urges, therefore aren't as sentient as people without fetishes and hence deserve to be severly punished. That's complete BS. We may as well insist that people who like music but don't understand why deserve horrible treatment for not being self-aware.

If people have a desire to get their rocks off to furries vampires aliens pirates cowboys or any other such instance this is fetishism, but as has been established, this doesn't make them inferior as people or a drain on society. Squabbling and trying to make people feel horrible about trivial things which give them happiness is detrimental though, especially when arguments must be launched from a position of psychological ignorance on the subject.

 

[benignBiotic]

Man, I'm ducking out of this 'argument.' Streetcircus your sheer lack of understanding of most of your arguments is staggering. It's really not worth the effort to try and explain to you why emotions are important. Enjoy thinking humanity is the master-species while the rest of us are evolving into the future.

I will echo Fallowfox again though:

If people have a desire to get their rocks off to furries vampires aliens pirates cowboys or any other such instance this is fetishism, but as has been established, this doesn't make them inferior as people or a drain on society. Squabbling and trying to make people feel horrible about trivial things which give them happiness is detrimental though, especially when arguments must be launched from a position of psychological ignorance on the subject.

I agree entirely. I am attracted to anthros and that attraction is fetishistic. Actracctioin to anthros isn't uncommon for someone in the furry community, but probably is uncommon in the general population.

Also, Lanefair???

I believe this is a 'sick burn' on Street (lane) circus' (fair) behalf I lol'd

 

[Varden]

uuh... I would say if someone doesn't masturbate to it then it's probably not their fetish.

Also, Lanefair???

Probably, but not definitively. And Lanefair is a wordplay on Streetcircus.

 

[ADF]

You know... I just watched that new spider man film for the first time, and I couldn't keep my eyes off that lizard tail... Ugly face but yeah... the tail.

Tail fascination seems to be quite common amongst furries. That or paws, I just prefer thick tails. I know there is no "logic" to such things, how does a foot fetishist explain the reasoning of their obsession to someone who doesn't have it? Even then, they can at least say they are attracted to anatomy of their own species. Furries don't have that. Lizards aren't even mammals so lack the sort of things that tend to catch a humans eye (breasts, buttocks and so on).

You can understand why so many people would be put off by furry, because even fetishists as often portrayed by the media at the very least still direct their attraction towards the human form. That and that canine girl pin-up is uncomfortably close to a certain taboo sexual interest.

 

[CynicalCirno]

If there was any attraction in reality I would call it "strange", at least against the already unclear human "nature". Otherwise, it's just appreciation for characters.
It is not surprising that people find beauty in anthropomorphic creatures - that's why you find so much work of them, both on this site and other places.

 

[Ricky]

It is not surprising that people find beauty in anthropomorphic creatures - that's why you find so much work of them, both on this site and other places.

That's what most furries fail to understand.

There have been characters designed PURPOSELY to be sexually attractive (Lola, Minerva Mink...)

They have human traits that most guys (who aren't furries) find attractive.

 

[Streetcircus]

Pfft, you'd be lying if you claimed you lead a perfectly rational existance in which you exhibit emotions only when they have absolute advantage. You'd be lying because such a position would practically require omniscience. Life doesn't come in a series of helpful absolutes.


Bertrand Russell's point was that happiness is itself a valuable thing, he was not suggesting that anything done in pursuit of happiness is justifiable even if it is detrimental or down right harmful. Taking some time to enjoy yourself without needing to create a bullshit excuse to rationalise the fact you like dancing or watching old movies, is valuable because you enjoy it.


There is no universal measure of 'worth of life', shall we establish this? I'm not going to follow your inane argument that fetishists give in to subconscious urges, therefore aren't as sentient as people without fetishes and hence deserve to be severly punished. That's complete BS. We may as well insist that people who like music but don't understand why deserve horrible treatment for not being self-aware.


If people have a desire to get their rocks off to furries vampires aliens pirates cowboys or any other such instance this is fetishism, but as has been established, this doesn't make them inferior as people or a drain on society. Squabbling and trying to make people feel horrible about trivial things which give them happiness is detrimental though, especially when arguments must be launched from a position of psychological ignorance on the subject.

I never said I was omniscient, but I try my best to get as close to it as possible. That's what the entire human race should be doing.


Contentedness is a valuable thing, but it should be experienced by knowing you have done something of merit.


I don't know exactly where you're from, but in most developed countries, social ostracism doesn't entail severe punishment.


Explain how holding people to a standard of etiquette is detrimental just because it prevents them from enjoying a tingling in their groin. They won't wither away.

is it rational for you to help some one being mugged in an ally, perhaps not, but would you turn the other way and just leave as if nothing happened?

Yes, it is rational to help someone being mugged. I would ask myself, "Wouldn't I want someone to help me?" and that thought is only possible through rationality.

I agree entirely. I am attracted to anthros and that attraction is fetishistic. Actracctioin to anthros isn't uncommon for someone in the furry community, but probably is uncommon in the general population.

Why do you think your attraction to anthros is fetishistic just because it is uncommon?

 

[CynicalCirno]

They have human traits that most guys (who aren't furries) find attractive.

I wonder if the center is on the human traits or the animal traits.
Perhaps the combination is a deadly mixture that attracts people very easily?

 

[Ricky]

I wonder if the center is on the human traits or the animal traits.
Perhaps the combination is a deadly mixture that attracts people very easily?

I don't think there's a distinction for most.

People find certain physical or behavioral traits attractive; I don't think it's "human" or boy/girl that turns most people on.

I don't think "normal" people would have a preference for furries, though ;3

Just my guess.

 

[Batty Krueger]

I'm sure there are normal people out there that wank it to furry porn secretly.

 

[Ranguvar]

I'm sure there are normal people out there that wank it to furry porn secretly.

I was basically that person until I had to admit to myself that I was a big ol' furfag

 

[Fallowfox]

I never said I was omniscient, but I try my best to get as close to it as possible. That's what the entire human race should be doing.


Contentedness is a valuable thing, but it should be experienced by knowing you have done something of merit.


I don't know exactly where you're from, but in most developed countries, social ostracism doesn't entail severe punishment.


Explain how holding people to a standard of etiquette is detrimental just because it prevents them from enjoying a tingling in their groin. They won't wither away.





Yes, it is rational to help someone being mugged. I would ask myself, "Wouldn't I want someone to help me?" and that thought is only possible through rationality.





Why do you think your attraction to anthros is fetishistic just because it is uncommon?

The pursuit of knowledge is important, but don't get fixated upon trying to be a perfect personal embodiment of logic. You risk seriously distorting your view of reality, ironically, because justification and understanding is sparing in a world where the unknown abounds.

I'm from the UK. You mentioned 'chastisement', which is 'severe punishment'. Still, I don't think socially rejecting other people because they have harmless but unusual turn ons is at all nice or justifiable. It's an awfully trivial thing to be upset about, much less insist others are limiting social progress as a result.

 

[Ozriel]

I'm sure there are normal people out there that wank it to furry porn secretly.

Porn is like Coffee. It's a stimulant and porn stimulates people sexually. Some aren't stimulated by it like others are.

And I could go for some coffee right now.

 

[Fallowfox]

Porn is like Coffee. It's a stimulant and porn stimulates people sexually. Some aren't stimulated by it like others are.

And I could go for some coffee right now.

Bit of a tangent:

Coffee makes me, and some other members of my family, tired instead of alert. I've always found this a curiosity.

 

[Streetcircus]

The pursuit of knowledge is important, but don't get fixated upon trying to be a perfect personal embodiment of logic. You risk seriously distorting your view of reality, ironically, because justification and understanding is sparing in a world where the unknown abounds.

I'm from the UK. You mentioned 'chastisement', which is 'severe punishment'. Still, I don't think socially rejecting other people because they have harmless but unusual turn ons is at all nice or justifiable. It's an awfully trivial thing to be upset about, much less insist others are limiting social progress as a result.

If there is one ant on the ant-hill that stops and thinks, "Maybe what I think is important, really isn't, and what if there is so much more to existence than I can even grasp." That ant would have greater worth than the others because he would be correct. We ought to do that more persistently.

No one has the right to not be insulted, offended, or rejected. Everyone should be subjected to criticism, because that's how cultural progress is made. You either explain why what you have done isn't wrong, change for the better, or remain a social pariah.

 

[Fallowfox]

If there is one ant on the ant-hill that stops and thinks, "Maybe what I think is important, really isn't, and what if there is so much more to existence than I can even grasp." That ant would have greater worth than the others because he would be correct. We ought to do that more persistently.

No one has the right to not be insulted, offended, or rejected. Everyone should be subjected to criticism, because that's how cultural progress is made. You either explain why what you have done isn't wrong, change for the better, or remain a social pariah.

Actually such a philosophical ant is 'of more interest to streetcircus' than the other boring ants, not 'worth more' by any natural measure- weather things are attributed intrinsic worth by nature is unclear. Nature is probably not anthropic.

People do not deserve to be insulted and rejected over trivial things such as whether they masturbate to fetishistic pornography or not. It really is making a mountain out of a molehill. Claiming that intentionally setting out to make such people 'pariahs' in the name of social 'progress' simply shows your own infantile intollerance to arbitrary differences between people. Largely fetishism makes little difference to people's lives, just providing them with some sexual pleasure. What turns them on might not make sense to you, but in the grander scheme of things it's not very significant at all.

 

[Streetcircus]

Actually such a philosophical ant is 'of more interest to streetcircus' than the other boring ants, not 'worth more' by any natural measure- weather things are attributed intrinsic worth by nature is unclear. Nature is probably not anthropic.

People do not deserve to be insulted and rejected over trivial things such as whether they masturbate to fetishistic pornography or not. It really is making a mountain out of a molehill. Claiming that intentionally setting out to make such people 'pariahs' in the name of social 'progress' simply shows your own infantile intollerance to arbitrary differences between people. Largely fetishism makes little difference to people's lives, just providing them with some sexual pleasure. What turns them on might not make sense to you, but in the grander scheme of things it's not very significant at all.

Omnipotence is intrinsically worth more than flaw. If we can acknowledge that there is a spectrum from omniscience to a complete lack of knowledge, we would place higher than an ant.

Rejecting a person isn't a burden on the one doing the rejecting, so I don't know how it is a mountain of an issue. Everyone, including you, needs to welcome criticism and be willing to improve on themselves no matter how insignificant the fault. At the very worst, receiving criticism will force you to become more thoughtful, because you will need to consider whether your behavior is wrong or right in order to defend it. You don't like this approach because it's harder and less fun, but the right thing to do is always the hardest. The right thing should never be compromised.

 

[Fallowfox]

Omnipotence is intrinsically worth more than flaw. If we can acknowledge that there is a spectrum from omniscience to a complete lack of knowledge, we would place higher than an ant.

Rejecting a person isn't a burden on the one doing the rejecting, so I don't know how it is a mountain of an issue. Everyone, including you, needs to welcome criticism and be willing to improve on themselves no matter how insignificant the fault. At the very worst, receiving criticism will force you to become more thoughtful, because you will need to consider whether your behavior is wrong or right in order to defend it. You don't like this approach because it's harder and less fun, but the right thing to do is always the hardest. The right thing should never be compromised.

All powefulness doesn't exist...I think you might have meant 'omniscience' but that's a philosophical bomb too. We might as well say 'faster than light travel'.

You're exaggerating vanila sex deviations into 'social inertia'. That's why you're making a mountain from a molehill. You're not an all-knowing God like authority whose job it is to dish out hate over others for the silliest of things.
Things aren't black or white right and wrong by virtue of how difficult they are; that's a ritualistic view. You should consider the fact you live in a world where there is more to gain by being friends with other people than there is by trying to shame them because they like sexual situations that you can't rationalise [yet].

You are not omniscient, nor will you ever be, because the most important thing we should ever be aware of is our own ignorance. You don't have a justification for being mean to fetishistists- you just have some apriori bullshit that they are somehow limiting your quest for complete omniscience in some round about way.

That's like me saying I don't like videogamers because they play in the virtual world, so they are clearly less aware of the real one. x3

 

[Streetcircus]

All powefulness doesn't exist...I think you might have meant 'omniscience' but that's a philosophical bomb too. We might as well say 'faster than light travel'.

You're exaggerating vanila sex deviations into 'social inertia'. That's why you're making a mountain from a molehill. You're not an all-knowing God like authority whose job it is to dish out hate over others for the silliest of things.
Things aren't black or white right and wrong by virtue of how difficult they are; that's a ritualistic view. You should consider the fact you live in a world where there is more to gain by being friends with other people than there is by trying to shame them because they like sexual situations that you can't rationalise [yet].

You are not omniscient, nor will you ever be, because the most important thing we should ever be aware of is our own ignorance. You don't have a justification for being mean to fetishistists- you just have some apriori bullshit that they are somehow limiting your quest for complete omniscience in some round about way.

That's like me saying I don't like videogamers because they play in the virtual world, so they are clearly less aware of the real one. x3

Omnipotence, which encompasses omniscience, exists as a concept, and remains the apex of potential.

Criticism does not equate to hatred. I think you're the one exaggerating. Aren't people almost universally expected to keep fetishes private anyways? Isn't the reason it's expected to be kept private because it isn't pleasant? Fetishes are also completely unnecessary, making it a choice to partake in them. If a person openly indulges in senseless sexual behavior, and they obviously have neglected to remain pleasant to the people they share this world with, then you have an obligation to express your distaste. No person who must give up senseless, mindless, apish sexual pleasure is a victim. If it's trivial, then not doing it should be easy enough.

If the person can rationalize their behavior, then they're welcome to explain it to anyone who protests it. Only by raising an objection to it can that process happen. Whether the fetishist changes, or the objector understands the fetish, progress has been made. Turning a blind eye doesn't allow anyone to become aware of their ignorance.

I think you're just being overly sympathetic here, as liberals tend to be.

 

[Mentova]

Porn is like Coffee. It's a stimulant and porn stimulates people sexually. Some aren't stimulated by it like others are.

And I could go for some coffee right now.

I was never much of a coffee fan honestly.