Bestiality and Fur Affinity

[Glacierwulf]

You still don't put out anything of any real evidence that it's wrong. You just try to put me down without combating my argument.

Let's look at the animal world through a wolf pack, shall we?

In a wolf pack you have a hierarchy with the alpha being on top. The alpha female does not mate with anyone in the pack besides the alpha male and will attack and reject any other males in the pack that attempt to mate her. So she consents to sex with the alpha male. Now, debate me.

Actually those studies depicting the "alpha" theory have been proven false. The wolves that were gathered in those "studies" were individuals from different areas and packs thrown together in the same space. As a result, some rather inaccurate data was gathered.

Modern wolf pack studies have shown wolves operate in family unit. Just like a human family unit, it consists of a male and female and their offspring. They are not constantly fighting for the "alpha position." As soon as the pups are old enough o go out on their own, and find a mate, they become "alphas" of their own pack.

http://dogpublic.com/articles/article.aspx?sid=14&pid=1640

 

[Mazz]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm sick of people throwing around the term rape when it is in regards to something they don't like.



And zoophilia isn't directly sex. Just like pedophilia isn't sex (you're thinking of child molestation, so how about you turn off Fox News and 700 Club and go get some fresh Above-Room-Temperature-IQ religious-free air?). They are both paraphilias, but not the term for the act of copulation. From the Greek zoo (animal), and philia, (friendship or love). Don't see sex in there at all. I love me a good Subway oven roasted chicken breast sandwich on 9-grain honey oat bread, but I'm not inclined to stick my dick into one. Therefore, check your ignorance at the door.



No. RAPE, according to some magical dictionary that came preinstalled with my OS, is the crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him without their consent and against their will, esp. by the threat or use of violence against them. So with this, we can postulate that, since animals are not people (see person in the above bolded definition), you can not rape animals. Not people, not rape.

I love animals too but I'm against having sex with them. If a zoophile isn't thinking of them sexually than I won't call them an animal rapist. If you're imagining sex with animals you think you "love" than you in my opinion are a rapist.


So because it's not human it makes it ok to force it to have sex with you and it's not rape?

OH WOW, YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD PERSON.
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*edited to add*
It's my OPINION and if I think you're a rapist for having sex with animals then I will call you one.
Don't like it don't tell me you think it's ok to fuck animals.

 

[TheGoodShepherd]

Reference please?

Actually those studies depicting the "alpha" theory have been proven false. The wolves that were gathered in those "studies" were individuals from different areas and packs thrown together in the same space. As a result, some rather inaccurate data was gathered.

Modern wolf pack studies have shown wolves operate in family unit. Just like a human family unit, it consists of a male and female and their offspring. They are not constantly fighting for the "alpha position." As soon as the pups are old enough o go out on their own, and find a mate, they become "alphas" of their own pack.

http://dogpublic.com/articles/article.aspx?sid=14&pid=1640

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware that theory was proven wrong. My mistake.

 

[DeusExBestia]

Hold up, are comments on bestiality drawings like "oh murr, I'd fuck that dog." and on cub porns like "what a naughty boy, I'd suck his penis" still allowed?

Seems like advertising it too.

I think that should be applied to anything, not just illegal activities. And people who try to RP with a picture. *BLUSHES AND GIVES THE NAKED HORNY RABBITWOLFDOGLIONCATFERRETGIRAFFEGRYPHON A HUG AND BENDS OVER*

I say we ban those people to.

 

[Arshes Nei]

This thread sure went off course. It seems anything bestiality related usually derails back to the "Consent" arguement.

I'm still thinking how to bash Christopher Hart some more in this thread.

 

[Trpdwarf]

I'm still thinking how to bash Christopher Hart some more in this thread.

You could go make a rant about it in R&R.

 

[InvaderPichu]

I love animals too but I'm against having sex with them. If a zoophile isn't thinking of them sexually than I won't call them an animal rapist. If you're imagining sex with animals you think you "love" than you in my opinion are a rapist. .

I really don't think you should use the term "rapist" so lightly. I think that's rather insulting to people who have actually been raped. :\ And yeah, someone who forces an animal into sex is certainly a rapist, no arguments from me. But fantasizing about it? Where is the harm?

 

[Arshes Nei]

You could go make a rant about it in R&R.

But it's not as fun as when someone searching for Christopher Hart gets animal sex threads

 

[Wookiee]

Sounds fair to me. You get one mundane that finds a link between one zoophile and the fandom and all of a sudden all furries are zoos.

 

[InvaderPichu]

Sounds fair to me. You get one mundane that finds a link between one zoophile and the fandom and all of a sudden all furries are zoos.

I'm sure a lot of normal people assume that anyway even without the help of people who openly admit to fucking their animals. D:

 

[AlexInsane]

Wait guys I think I get it now.

As long as we KILL the animals and EAT them, that's ok. Or as long as we lop off or mangle their reproductive organs, that's kosher too.

But letting a dog mount you is just wrong and obviously abusive.

I'm glad that was cleared up for me.

What's that fallacy called, where you equate two completely unrelated, dissimilar things?

 

[Mazz]

I really don't think you should use the term "rapist" so lightly. I think that's rather insulting to people who have actually been raped. :\ And yeah, someone who forces an animal into sex is certainly a rapist, no arguments from me. But fantasizing about it? Where is the harm?

I agree with the term rapist may offend someone who has been raped and if it did I apologize.
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So because they're not physically screwing an animal I'm supposed to be ok with them imagining having sex with my dog(or any other animal for that matter)?
I don't believe the "just imagination" argument. You're imagining it because you want to do it. If you want to do it all you need is the chance.
I'd rather people just not get that chance and I certainly won't let people who imagine sex with children or animals near my child or animals.

 

[Char]

Sounds fair to me. You get one mundane that finds a link between one zoophile and the fandom and all of a sudden all furries are zoos.

Nobody can help that though, and that's just simply the "mundane" being dumb.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that furry porn being what it is is enough to convince most people that all furries are zoophiles.

If we're aroused by a picture of something that looks like an animal, then obviously we're aroused by animals themselves. /sarcasm

 

[Mazz]

But it's not as fun as when someone searching for Christopher Hart gets animal sex threads

You could just spam comment his name over and over again. XD
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You're a mod, you can like... pretend it's for an experiment or something...

 

[medjai]

I love animals too but I'm against having sex with them. If a zoophile isn't thinking of them sexually than I won't call them an animal rapist. If you're imagining sex with animals you think you "love" than you in my opinion are a rapist.


So because it's not human it makes it ok to force it to have sex with you and it's not rape?

OH WOW, YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD PERSON.
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*edited to add*
It's my OPINION and if I think you're a rapist for having sex with animals then I will call you one.
Don't like it don't tell me you think it's ok to fuck animals.

They never said it's okay. You're really good at crucifying people for questioning you, even if they aren't even opposing your opinion.

The point here is, you're using the wrong words. It isn't rape because animals aren't people. However, just because it isn't rape doesn't mean it's okay. I think the term that might fit a wee bit better is animal abusers, since that's what they're charged with under the law.

 

[Ieatcrackersandjumpcliffs]

Oh no you don't. Don't even try to push aside all my legitimate things because I can back myself up with actual things called links. This is more for the benefit of anybody wanting to come in and start stuff about "baww bestiality should be okay! It's not wrong!".

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_database/results.php?us_state=&ca_state=&uk_state=&nz_state=&au_state=&es_state=&type_id[]=10&status=c&month=&year=&gender=&keyword=&search=search

Damn, I was going to cite Pet-Abuse.com.

 

[Attaman]

Sounds fair to me. You get one mundane that finds a link between one zoophile and the fandom and all of a sudden all furries are zoos.

Sounds right to me. You get one Furry that finds a link between non-Furs and trolling and all the sudden non-Furs are "mundanes".

I'm getting a bit of a headache going back in this thread. The regular ol' "Animals can give consent," "Prove it hurts a party," "Well it's done in nature / humans do other bad things," it's all the same every thread. Do we really need to go through this every time someone so much as whispers bestiality, let alone makes a topic about it? You'd think by now we'd have a nice little archive for "Insert post here" responses to such threads. Hell, I bet the mods right now could play both parts of the thread to a "T" from beginning to lock out of sheer memory.

 

[Carenath]

Sounds fair to me. You get one mundane that finds a link between one zoophile and the fandom and all of a sudden all furries are zoos.

Too late for that, you dont need any link between admitted/practising zoophiles and furries, for regular folks to assume all furries are zoos.

I made that assumption before, purely because all furries are anthro and the blindlingly obvious 'furry sexuality'.. I thought at first, furries were just zoo's trying to make their thing more acceptable by humanising the characters they played while deep down still harbouring the same animal-loving kink that zoos have.

On top of that.. zoos can be furries, the fandom isnt exclusive to anyone.

Its also nice to have some official clarification on the lines here.. I would hate to see FA/F turn into a furry version of Dragon Realms.

 

[Char]

What's that fallacy called, where you equate two completely unrelated, dissimilar things?

How is killing an animal or castrating them any better than letting one mount you? How is LESS harm done that way?

Why is semen collection given a pass? Why is forcefully impregnating another animal with said semen also ok? Both of these things are obviously done against the animal's will right?

 

[paran0id42]

What's that fallacy called, where you equate two completely unrelated, dissimilar things?

I dont know where that original quote was, or what the fallacy is.

But I heard hunting animals for food is wrong and sick, thus humans need to die. kinda really no- Theres animals we hunt for food, and theres animals we take in for comfort and enjoyment. The animals we hunt for food are dealt with in the most swift and painless manner. Animals we keep for enjoyment are treated as they are our children. All pet owners I know have great relations with their animal because they are like children to them.
Sometimes with this consent thing though... if they think their dog wants anal.. (Male OR female) there is no way that is love and they are dilusional. Anal sex is considered a fetish (for homosexuals amongst men and women there is an exception imo) in our society, dogs have no idea what anal is.
Where am I going with this :|

 

[DeusExBestia]

I agree with you, if one thing is banned because it's illegal the other thing should be banned as well. And keep in mind that most drugs are illegal in ALL states (with the exception of Mary Jane in a few states where it's legal).

Even if that was the case, it is illegal at the federal level, which applies, TO EVERY STATE.

Unless Chief(er) Obama changed that?

 

[medjai]

I dont know where that original quote was, or what the fallacy is.

But I heard hunting animals for food is wrong and sick, thus humans need to die. kinda really no- Theres animals we hunt for food, and theres animals we take in for comfort and enjoyment. The animals we hunt for food are dealt with in the most swift and painless manner. Animals we keep for enjoyment are treated as they are our children. All pet owners I know have great relations with their animal because they are like children to them.
Sometimes with this consent thing though... if they think their dog wants anal.. (Male OR female) there is no way that is love and they are dilusional. Anal sex is considered a fetish (for homosexuals amongst men and women there is an exception imo) in our society, dogs have no idea what anal is.
Where am I going with this :|

Really? Bonobos have gay anal sex all the time, as well as dozens of other animals. Even hetero anal sex. In both the wild and in captivity.

 

[DeusExBestia]

Chimps and bonobos are our closest relatives.
One rapes, murders and destroys the other has free love and sex.
How people who don't believe in evolution hate being told that though.

So, one group of monkeys are republicans, the other are liberals...

WHY ARE YOU BRINGING POLITICS INTO A BESTIALITY DISCUSSION

 

[paran0id42]

How is killing an animal or castrating them any better than letting one mount you? How is LESS harm done that way?

Why is semen collection given a pass? Why is forcefully impregnating another animal with said semen also ok? Both of these things are obviously done against the animal's will right?

Theres your quote!

"How is killing an animal or castrating them any better than letting one mount you" You abuse the dogs mental state. The dog will assert authority over you. You tell it to sit, it will not. You tell it to calm down, it retaliates. You decide to give up on the dog and give it to a shelter, and it is given to a different family. That family gives up the dog again because it assumes itself as the alpha male after mounting you.
Killing an animal needs to be specified. Killing a cow provides food for the hunter. UNIVERSAL Predatory law. Humans need to feed, and we have evolved as master hunters. Humans can kill whatever they want but choose not to because we know what is good for ourselves. Not only that but we are mentally cognitive to understand what is aggressive, what is a threat, and what is necessary for our survival. Castration controls the pet population right? Cats who mate continuously pose a problem.

"Why is semen collection given a pass? Why is forcefully impregnating another animal with said semen also ok?" No opinion, I dont understand where this comes into play.

 

[TheGoodShepherd]

So, one group of monkeys are republicans, the other are liberals...

WHY ARE YOU BRINGING POLITICS INTO A BESTIALITY DISCUSSION

Lol!