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Can we get a little lienient in the Adult Fursuit Section?

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Emil

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sex is as much art as dancing is art. heve you seen how dificult kama sutra is, and how artistic some of the positions are. some person out there decided that they wanted to make sex an art form and came up with kama sutra, not because sex became borring, but because someone saw what most dont see, sex is a beautiful thing when you look past the sex itself.

I really just think its because sex became boring, or to enhance the pleasure from the various strains the positions put on your body. Or even to support some Indian sense of spirituality.

The purpose of dance is to express every sort of motion through movement of the whole body. But.. the positions of the Karma Sutra... really, the only emotions expressed are lust and *maybe* love it is your wish to say that. In the end, no matter what the pose, the penis still ultimately ends up in the vagina.
 
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DenzuPuppy

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I really just think its because sex became boring, or to enhance the pleasure from the various strains the positions put on your body.

The purpose of dance is to express every sort of motion through movement of the whole body. But.. the positions of the Karma Sutra... really, the only emotions expressed are lust and *maybe* love it is your wish to say that. In the end, no matter what the pose, the penis still ultimately ends up in the vagina.

'you kinda just assumed that most the people here are strait. i have only ben with one fem (hopefully saying fem isnt too offensive) and after several years i just found men more attractive so dont asume the vag is all there is.

maybe kama sutra was made because someone decided to put what they were doing in the bedroom into a book. but i guess you cant see how artful it really is. just because its out of lust or love dosent mean its not art.
 

Emil

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'you kinda just assumed that most the people here are strait. i have only ben with one fem (hopefully saying fem isnt too offensive) and after several years i just found men more attractive so dont asume the vag is all there is.

I did? I was only aware that the real Karma Sutra came in a strait version. And I was referring to that.

just because its out of lust or love dosent mean its not art.

I think it does mean that, because it doesnt invoke any reaction out of the people viewing it other than sexual gratification, nor is it intended to do otherwise.

The Karma Sutra itself is somewhat immune to this. Somewhat. Its purpose is also linkable to Hinduism I believe. But at that point, it serves some sort of spiritual purpose as well. But that still doesnt make it are any more than philosophy is art.

Anyway, nobody is going to be submitting the Karma Sutra, so I dont really see why we are discussing this ;>>

Posting fursuit sex is just posting pornography. The only purpose of pornography is to stimulate sexual gratification.

But, sadly, that is all still debateable, so I leave it to Staff to decide. Im not going to post here anymore, and if Staff wants my opinions or ideas on anything, they are able to contact me ^^
 
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DenzuPuppy

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I did? I was only aware that the real Karma Sutra came in a strait version. And I was referring to that.



I think it does mean that, because it doesnt invoke any reaction out of the people viewing it other than sexual gratification, nor is it intended to do otherwise.

The Karma Sutra itself is somewhat immune to this. Somewhat. Its purpose is also linkable to Hinduism I believe. But at that point, it serves some sort of spiritual purpose as well. But that still doesnt make it are any more than philosophy is art.


philosiphy inspires are so sex can do the same. just because one can turn someone on and the other cant is just a conincidence. to me pics vids anything on human sex is a turn off. the body isnt interesting enough for me to be turnd on. but really in my eyes and others like me sex is an art form. its like saying building a house isnt an art form, its just built. teke a look arround the net and youl find artsy houses everwhere. my argument says, sex is art if you look past the aspect of being turned on by it.
 

Emil

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My argument says, sex is art if you look past the aspect of being turned on by it.

If you remove the sexual aspects from sex, it becomes a dance depicting sex, not sex itself. If you defend that the motions and emotions are what the art is, and not the actual sex, then how can you defend sex itself as art?

Anyway, Im done here.
 

Quiet269

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I think it does mean that, because it doesnt invoke any reaction out of the people viewing it other than sexual gratification, nor is it intended to do otherwise.
So, by that logic... None of the "Adult" submissions (porn) should be allowed on FA... I think you are going down a path you do not wish to take.

Just admit that sex is Art; it does not change the fact that it is still not allowed because of the rules of FA.
 

Emil

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Just admit that sex is Art; it does not change the fact that it is still not allowed because of the rules of FA.

Fine. Sex is art. Are you happy? But its only art as long as you can actually argue some sort of point to it, or that it invokes any sort of emotional response other than lust. In which case, it isnt even really the sex that is the subject, just a carrier or a representation

i said look past not remove

Im not even going to get into that one



But heres something I am curious of. Please tell me how pictures of you (not you specific, but universal) rubbing yourself in a fursuit are art? What emotions does it provoke? What sort of thought does it force? What does it represent? Is there some sort of message behind it?
 
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Dragoneer

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I would suggest hiring an actual lawyer, but then it would probably be entirely unreadable, which wouldn't really help come to think of it.
Just for reference, I originally checked in with a lawyer to help write FA's TOS... and, uh, the cheapest lawyer I could find was about $250/hr.

Spending donation money on servers and bandwidth = good. Spending donation money on vampire sharks = bad.
 

Quiet269

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Fine. Sex is art. Are you happy? But its only art as long as you can actually argue some sort of point to it, or that it invokes any sort of emotional response other than lust. In which case, it isnt even really the sex that is the subject, just a carrier or a representation
Art is the process or product of deliberately and creatively arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions, especially beauty. Lust is an emotion, and it is not the only emotion that can come from sex, so as far as I am concerned sex is art.

Just for reference, I originally checked in with a lawyer to help write FA's TOS... and, uh, the cheapest lawyer I could find was about $250/hr.

Spending donation money on servers and bandwidth = good. Spending donation money on vampire sharks = bad.
You need to find a Furry Lawyer that would be willing to volunteer some time :p That $250/hr is insane.
 

Adonis Otter

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I’m a fursuit maker, and have two suits that I’ve made. I’ve posted a few pictures of my suits to show the world, “Hey, look at what I made!” Usually, if I post a new picture of an old suit, it’s because I’ve upgraded a part, or found a picture that was particularly distinguished in some way. Don’t get me wrong, I like fursuit yiff. I have considered making yiffable suits, and if I do, I want the ability to post those on FA to say, “Hey, I made a sheef! Give me watches!” But if I did, I’d do it to show that I made a suit, and that suit has cajones, I would not show it as a provocative image. There is a difference. If you think that fursuits are art, when posted the art should be the fursuit, and not the pose it’s in. There is a huge amount of time and effort spent in the construction of a fursuit. By taking pictures to highlight its sexuality, and not the fursuit itself, to me you are saying, “I don’t care so much about this work of art I’m wearing, as much as that it has a hole in its crotch.” And as a fursuit maker, it seems like my hard work is disregarded in favor of a sex toy. The most expressive, cute, and artistic part of a furuist is its head, so why do I see so many shots of fursuiters focused between the waist and the knees?
A friend of mine said he wanted a yiffable suit, but couldn’t spend that much money on a sex toy. To me, that is the wrong mentality. A fursuit is still a fursuit, regardless of its special features. A yiffable suit is not a sex toy; it is a costume with a fly. People don’t get all aroused over blue jeans because they got a zipper. And as such, I don’t think pictures of fursuits in erotic poses deserve the same status as art, as pictures that are just about the suit.
But what really gets me annoyed is the vast multitudes of pictures of a suit in erotic poses, particularly when posted by people who own the suit, not who made it. This goes for non yiffy furuist pics too. It’s great to see a new shot of a suit once in a while if say, this time it’s wearing a new accessory instead of just standing there. It’s great to show multiple pictures of a new suit, but how many do you need? I don’t want to sign on to FA to see 50 new submissions when 30 of them are of the same suit standing in slightly different poses, especially when it’s not even by the artist who made it. Fursuits are 3D objects, and have many facets that can highlight its artistic qualities in multiple photos, but after a while it just gets old. After the first ten shots, it’s not about the fursuit anymore, but the person wearing it. It’s going, “Look at ME, look at ME! I’M all sexy like! Rawr >:3!” It has nothing to do with the suit in the picture, but the person who’s using the suit as a way of looking sexy. If you want to take those pictures, go ahead, do so, but please, this is an art website, not a place for you to show off how cute/sexy *you* look in a suit. There are numerous other websites where you can do that. The question is, once you’ve shown your suit as an artistic creation, would you take pictures of it in poses and post them, if it was just you and not the suit? If you can do artistic shots of your suit with dramatic lighting, and/or good composition, and contrast, and all those other things in art photography, by all means, take tons of pictures. But lets be honest people, most pictures of fursuits in erotic poses have nothing to do with art what so ever.
 

Emil

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Art is the process or product of deliberately and creatively arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions, especially beauty. Lust is an emotion, and it is not the only emotion that can come from sex, so as far as I am concerned sex is art.

The key word is deliberate. How many people actually have sex in order to create a response from other people? By your definition, I could pick my nose or slam a door, and it would be art. And at that point, what isnt art, and who isnt an artist?

Depictions of sex are art. But the act itself isnt because its supposed to be something shared between lovers, and just because someone takes a peek and likes what they see, doesnt mean they were meant to.

@Adonis: Yes. Thank you.
 
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Quiet269

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The key word is deliberate. How many people actually have sex in order to create a response from other people? By your definition, I could pick my nose or slam a door, and it would be art. And at that point, what isnt art, and who isnt an artist?

Depictions of sex are art. But the act itself isnt because its supposed to be something shared between lovers, and just because someone takes a peek and likes what they see, doesnt mean they were meant to.

@Adonis: Yes. Thank you.
I think by posting it on a site for others to see and admire makes it deliberate...
 

Huskers

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What would you propose?


Having the Fursuit - Mature available in the dropdown list seems to contradict the APU , which i dont get.

I am not saying to get rid of it , im just saying its unfair that artist can post the most goriest porn picture out there, while a fursuiter can post anything above suggestive. It makes the fursuiters feel they are the minority and such ...

believe me THERE ARE worse pictures out there that is art that should have been taken down... just my two cents

I propose just let the fursuiters post and just say if you dont want to watch the adult rated marked (which underage people shouldnt be watching anyways when they lied about their age) dont watch it
 

Emil

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I think by posting it on a site for others to see and admire makes it deliberate...

But we arnt talking about sex posted online, we're talking about sex in general.

At that point, yes it would be deliberate. But then we'd be arguing whether it was just porn, or whether theres an actual, intended meaning behind it. Which is independent of whether or not you see meaning in it. And once you capture sex in a photograph, its direction, lighting, scenery, all of those things that make it art as much if not more than the sex itself.
 
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Huskers

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I’m a fursuit maker, and have two suits that I’ve made. I’ve posted a few pictures of my suits to show the world, “Hey, look at what I made!” Usually, if I post a new picture of an old suit, it’s because I’ve upgraded a part, or found a picture that was particularly distinguished in some way. Don’t get me wrong, I like fursuit yiff. I have considered making yiffable suits, and if I do, I want the ability to post those on FA to say, “Hey, I made a sheef! Give me watches!” But if I did, I’d do it to show that I made a suit, and that suit has cajones, I would not show it as a provocative image. There is a difference. If you think that fursuits are art, when posted the art should be the fursuit, and not the pose it’s in. There is a huge amount of time and effort spent in the construction of a fursuit. By taking pictures to highlight its sexuality, and not the fursuit itself, to me you are saying, “I don’t care so much about this work of art I’m wearing, as much as that it has a hole in its crotch.” And as a fursuit maker, it seems like my hard work is disregarded in favor of a sex toy. The most expressive, cute, and artistic part of a furuist is its head, so why do I see so many shots of fursuiters focused between the waist and the knees?
A friend of mine said he wanted a yiffable suit, but couldn’t spend that much money on a sex toy. To me, that is the wrong mentality. A fursuit is still a fursuit, regardless of its special features. A yiffable suit is not a sex toy; it is a costume with a fly. People don’t get all aroused over blue jeans because they got a zipper. And as such, I don’t think pictures of fursuits in erotic poses deserve the same status as art, as pictures that are just about the suit.
But what really gets me annoyed is the vast multitudes of pictures of a suit in erotic poses, particularly when posted by people who own the suit, not who made it. This goes for non yiffy furuist pics too. It’s great to see a new shot of a suit once in a while if say, this time it’s wearing a new accessory instead of just standing there. It’s great to show multiple pictures of a new suit, but how many do you need? I don’t want to sign on to FA to see 50 new submissions when 30 of them are of the same suit standing in slightly different poses, especially when it’s not even by the artist who made it. Fursuits are 3D objects, and have many facets that can highlight its artistic qualities in multiple photos, but after a while it just gets old. After the first ten shots, it’s not about the fursuit anymore, but the person wearing it. It’s going, “Look at ME, look at ME! I’M all sexy like! Rawr >:3!” It has nothing to do with the suit in the picture, but the person who’s using the suit as a way of looking sexy. If you want to take those pictures, go ahead, do so, but please, this is an art website, not a place for you to show off how cute/sexy *you* look in a suit. There are numerous other websites where you can do that. The question is, once you’ve shown your suit as an artistic creation, would you take pictures of it in poses and post them, if it was just you and not the suit? If you can do artistic shots of your suit with dramatic lighting, and/or good composition, and contrast, and all those other things in art photography, by all means, take tons of pictures. But lets be honest people, most pictures of fursuits in erotic poses have nothing to do with art what so ever.



So its ok for an artist to post multiple arts of huskies screwing eachother but in different poses ? (im just using it as an example) while fursuits in different poses is wrong ??
 

Quiet269

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But we arnt talking about sex posted online, we're talking about sex in general.

At that point, yes it would be deliberate. But then we'd be arguing whether it was just porn, or whether theres an actual, intended meaning behind it. Which is independent of whether or not you see meaning in it. And once you capture sex in a photograph, its direction, lighting, scenery, all of those things that make it art as much if not more than the sex itself.
I believe we are talking of two different things.

I'm not talking about sex in general, I am talking about sex for the deliberate purpose of being posted for others to view.

So its ok for an artist to post multiple arts of huskies screwing eachother but in different poses ? (im just using it as an example) while fursuits in different poses is wrong ??

That would be correct. Because once a suit is finished being crafted it is no longer a piece of art, and cannot in any way shape or form be used in an artistic manor. :rolleyes:
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Having the Fursuit - Mature available in the dropdown list seems to contradict the APU , which i dont get.

Go back and read other posts before replying. It helps a lot.
 

Emil

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I believe we are talking of two different things.

I'm not talking about sex in general, I am talking about sex for the deliberate purpose of being posted for others to view.

Im not sure why you are talking about that, since the person who brought it up was talking about sex in general, and my responses were addressing him as such.

And it still begs the reason why you are posting it for them to view. Is it to fulfill their sexual desires, or is it to show some sort of meaning or technique, or inspire some sort of higher thinking? And at that point, it is the person who captured the image that is the artist, not the ones performing the action, they are merely part of the artists overall design.
 
If you want to see people fucking eachother in fursuits, go to another fucking community.

If you allow sex in fursuits to be shown, NOT ONLY is it rewriting the AUP that we had all signed at the time, it is against the law.* And then someone would bend the rules a bit and show a 17 or 16 year old fucking in one, right? No one would care, right? Only the United States government, and a few other countries, too! It's a crime, damnit!

No, it should not be re-written.
Not just for some random someone with a disturbing fetish.+_

*: This is according to the FA admins, not me.
+: I hate just about every single fetish mentioned in the browse category tab, not just fursuits.
_: Furry is not my fetish.
 

Adonis Otter

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So its ok for an artist to post multiple arts of huskies screwing eachother but in different poses ? (im just using it as an example) while fursuits in different poses is wrong ??
I'd think so. How much effort is used in drawing characters in different poses? Even using a reference shot, sketches take time, error, do overs, Then there's inking and coloring on top of that. A new work of art is just that, a new work of art. It is an accomplishment, a testament to the artist's ability to create new things. A fursuiter in a different pose, however, is not a new work of art. It's still the same fursuit as before, and unless the fursuiter is impaired in a way that makes spreading his or her legs difficult, it's not much of an artistic challenge.
Also, it's not wrong. I seem to recall saying, "If you want to take those pictures, go ahead, do so." However, this is a art website, and that's not the same as an image hosting website. If you've got tons of fursuit pictures, put them on Photobucket and LJ and websites like that.
 

Emil

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A fursuiter in a different pose, however, is not a new work of art. It's still the same fursuit as before, and unless the fursuiter is impaired in a way that makes spreading his or her legs difficult, it's not much of an artistic challenge.
Also, it's not wrong. I seem to recall saying, "If you want to take those pictures, go ahead, do so." However, this is a art website, and that's not the same as an image hosting website. If you've got tons of fursuit pictures, put them on Photobucket and LJ and websites like that.

IMO the posing itself is not a work of art, nor is a pose acting. It takes little time or effort to pose. It is how the pose is captured by the photographer that makes it art, and the photographer sets up the pose. Really, in modeling, the one who is the artist is the photographer. Otherwise, the only thing it achieves is perhaps being a decent reference shot.

Acting is art, and fursuiters may act. It takes skill to successfully portray a character in a convincing manner.

Poses are not art, but capturing a pose is, assuming that capturing the pose is done in an artistic (ie well constructed) manner.
 
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i said look past not remove
Looking past the fact that it's turning you on, the sexual part of sex, etc, is still sex.
I'll admit, there are naked pictures, EVEN LOOK ON WIKIPEDIA, but are these of guys in leather, or in latex, or fursuits? Or is it of people having sex? Or a zoom in on the sexual part? No, I'm not talking about a see-through picture of the area, I'm talking about an actual photograph of that part itself.
 
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