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can we just talk about the fact nealry 20% of furries are zoophiles?

MadKiyo

Imma bat in yer rafters
Pfff normies.
Pizza on pineapples is where it's at
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I gotta say, that looks pretty good.
 

Lexiand

Werewolf a Tophat
@An-Honest-Pie I notice your trying to make threads to cause controversy in the community. You legit made your account just to make these stupid threads
This is really starting to get annoying... We know there are people out there like that and we don't associate ourselves with those people.
Please stop posting threads like this and just chat with the community like a normal member instead trying to steer stuff with people.
 

DimskyTheOwl

Well-Known Member
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I've seen this topic presented more times than I care to try and count.
Not saying the subject matter isn't important, because it certainly can be. The recent 'Revelation/Outing' of Kero the Wolf seems to have re-ignited the fire, and I can only imagine it's going to turn into (yet another) massive flame war.

Try to stay calm and rational, people. I realize that can be difficult when any topic about sexuality and especially sexual abuse, is discussed.

My opinion on it all, after decades of thought/research/experiences?
Take x-amount of anything. If it is LESS than 50%? It doesn't represent the entire (pick a group. any group). If it hits 75% or above? THEN I'd say it represents said group (pick a group. any group).
So, say 20% of the 'Furry Fandom' are Zoophiles. That means 80% aren't. 20% is not a majority of anything.

Now, here comes the proverbial shit-storm topic:

Zoophilia and Bestiality are not one and the same thing.
No, honestly. They aren't.
To say they are, would also mean that sexual attraction (to something) and actually HAVING sex (with something), are one and the same. Obviously, this is not true.

I do not automatically equate either Zoophilia, or the act of having sex with an animal, as abuse.

There.

Given the things that people do to animals, that are considered 'O.k./Fine-and-Dandy/Moral' (check the food industry for one, animal by-product industries for another, medical research, etc., etc., etc..), the act of penetrating or being penetrated with an animal in-and-of-itself doesn't automatically make me want to pick up the torch and pitchfork, and crucify the person and/or animal(s) involved.

THAT being said?

There is definitely a line of cruelty that bestiality can cross, FAR TOO EASILY. THAT is something that has to be faced, dealt with, and stopped.

Morality, Theology, Medical/Psychological shades of gray aside... (yeah, try shelving any/all of those with THIS topic. Good luck with that one.)

If the physical bits don't exceed the physical bits of either partner, causing physical harm?
If restraints/restraining isn't being done?
If said liaisons aren't negatively affecting the person(s) life and their interactions with regular humanity? If said liaisons aren't making the animal(s) lives or interactions with society equally negative?

Where's the damn harm? Seriously?

I'm not saying, 'Yeah, it's perfectly fine if you want to hump your Chihuahua!' (you'd better have a very tiny willy, OR be happy submitting to a Chihuahua's ministrations?).

Like most things 'Sexual' with people/society? You simply can't paint it all with the same moral/theological brush. Look at what we do to ourselves along such lines? Male circumcision or not? Female circumcision, or not (that makes ME *CRINGE*, and I don't even has female bits!). Get your tubes tied/snipped, or not? In-vitro fertilization, because you can't conceive naturally, or not? Mixed cultural unions? Mixed theological marriages/unions?
The list goes on and one, and I'm not even TOUCHING the physical alteration of One's body (via Trans anything to anything, or otherwise)...

Damn, this post it getting too long and rambling. Apologies.

If you like looking at anthropomorphic anything, that doesn't 'Turn you into' (pick an orientation or kink. ANY orientation or kink). That topic was discussed awhile back, and if you want to read some interesting perspectives, I recommend you do some research into it.

If you take it to the next level, and begin to engage in physical (sexual) acts with an animal, you've entered the 'Bestiality Zone'.
If you LOVE animals, and have pets, but DON"T engage in physical (sexual) acts with them? Congrats! YOU are a Zoophile! (doesn't mean you CAN'T love a person/people, too).

Zoophilia is not bad. It is the love and/or affection towards an animal or animals.

Bestiality is the sexual act with an animal or animals. Is it always 'Bad'?

I have to say- no.

Can it be bad?

Hell yes. People rape people, and that's horrendous. It IS easier to abuse an animal (in most instances). That is EQUALLY horrendous (or even worse)!

Please don't start with the, 'Oh, he SUPPORTS Bestiality (in all it's manifestations),' because I do not. Put-down your torches and pitchforks. I can hear and see 'em coming already. Maintain your center and use some logic/common sense folks.

I've seen animals raised in commercial lots for human consumption. Their lives are, well to be frank- disgusting. There IS no 'Quality of life', for such animals. Animals raised for their pelts? Medical research? Holy shit... You want to crucify/burn-at-the-stake someone? There's a damned good place to start.

The fact that (in the case of medical research only), SOME of these practices are morally 'O.k.', hinges on 'Does it BENEFIT humanity, or is it a DETRIMENT to humanity?'

Rape is always bad. Always.

I know for a fact that animals are capable of feelings, emotions, and even thoughts. They are not the mental equivalent of a person by any means, but that doesn't mean they should be ignored or shrugged-off.

If a person and their physically-compatible pet partner want to get frisky with one another? If said animal partner is sexually mature, meaning- 'Adult' for their species? I can't be bothered or offended by it, provided they keep it behind closed doors, and such liaisons don't present a physical threat to either society or the animal world itself (as-in zoophilic diseases/infestations).

If a person is raping and sexually abusing/mutilating anything? THAT is the time to step-in and put a permanent stop to what's going on.

So, what constitutes 'Abuse'? That's such a huge gray area I don't know where to begin, and certainly don't want to make this reply any longer by delving into it.

I'd suggest you, the reader, stop and consider that, however. 'Abuse'. What is it, when it is o.k., and when should 'Society' step-in and put a halt to it.

If it isn't harming/abusing anything? I can't be troubled to interfere.

That's just me.

:: Dons body armor for impending shit-storm retaliation ::

People make the same arguments to justify sexual relationships with children.
For me, it's simple: Animals cannot consent on the same level as a human, they do not have the same range of understanding, they can't emotionally connect on the same level, therefore it's just exploitive. And overall, they are not humans. I don't care if Bark Mc Barkson is literally humping your leg, to take advantage of that animals urge is too far and wrong to me.
Yes, I agree zoophilia and bestiality needs to be separate and people should learn the differnce, and yes there are many different extremes. For zoophiles themselves, some studies have predicted as much as 3-8% of the human population may as well be zoophiles... yikes. So in that case, it links well with the sugguested 20% in our fandom (I still don't take both stats as absolute). Overall though, more often than not the act of bestiality itself is exploitive and often linked with other criminal behavior.

I don't neccesarily see you as bad for the views you hold, by the way. So I hope you don't feel attacked.

I also found some interesting and more recent studies:
(a basic background behind zoopiles and bestiality)
(this one citing the 3-8% stat) & (heres a more in-depth version also including criminal activity related to bestiality) <- also including more research below
 

TrishaCat

The Cat in the FAF
then adress your own problems instead of ignoring them cus i am going to keep questioning what i got into
Why?
Furries aren't a tightly nit organization. Its a fandom. Just a group of entirely different people who share a common interest (that being anthropomorphic animals). We aren't police. We aren't leaders of a troubled organization. We're just random people who like animal people.
 
Why?
Furries aren't a tightly nit organization. Its a fandom. Just a group of entirely different people who share a common interest (that being anthropomorphic animals). We aren't police. We aren't leaders of a troubled organization. We're just random people who like animal people.
do you like people calling you zoophile?
 
People make the same arguments to justify sexual relationships with children.
For me, it's simple: Animals cannot consent on the same level as a human, they do not have the same range of understanding, they can't emotionally connect on the same level, therefore it's just exploitive. And overall, they are not humans. I don't care if Bark Mc Barkson is literally humping your leg, to take advantage of that animals urge is too far and wrong to me.
Yes, I agree zoophilia and bestiality needs to be separate and people should learn the differnce, and yes there are many different extremes. For zoophiles themselves, some studies have predicted as much as 3-8% of the human population may as well be zoophiles... yikes. So in that case, it links well with the sugguested 20% in our fandom (I still don't take both stats as absolute). Overall though, more often than not the act of bestiality itself is exploitive and often linked with other criminal behavior.

I don't neccesarily see you as bad for the views you hold, by the way. So I hope you don't feel attacked.

I also found some interesting and more recent studies:
(a basic background behind zoopiles and bestiality)
(this one citing the 3-8% stat) & (heres a more in-depth version also including criminal activity related to bestiality) <- also including more research below

ou just defended childish features in earlier thread dont be a hypocrite. get off my post
 

TrishaCat

The Cat in the FAF
do you like people calling you zoophile?
No but if someone's gonna call me a zoophile I'll just tell them I'm not, explain what furries are, and see what happens.
If they still think I'm a zoophile then there's likely no convincing them and I move on. If they don't wanna do their research and listen, why give any credence to what they say?

I already deal with people calling me a pedo due to some of my anime interests so its not like I'm not used to people saying stuff like that. Not that people SHOULD be used to it but...Well honestly I just blame society and people's quickness to look at the negative and let it shape their view.
 
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Shadow of Bucephalus

Banned
Banned
People make the same arguments to justify sexual relationships with children.
For me, it's simple: Animals cannot consent on the same level as a human, they do not have the same range of understanding, they can't emotionally connect on the same level, therefore it's just exploitive. And overall, they are not humans. I don't care if Bark Mc Barkson is literally humping your leg, to take advantage of that animals urge is too far and wrong to me.
Yes, I agree zoophilia and bestiality needs to be separate and people should learn the differnce, and yes there are many different extremes. For zoophiles themselves, some studies have predicted as much as 3-8% of the human population may as well be zoophiles... yikes. So in that case, it links well with the sugguested 20% in our fandom (I still don't take both stats as absolute). Overall though, more often than not the act of bestiality itself is exploitive and often linked with other criminal behavior.

I don't neccesarily see you as bad for the views you hold, by the way. So I hope you don't feel attacked.

I also found some interesting and more recent studies:
(a basic background behind zoopiles and bestiality)
(this one citing the 3-8% stat) & (heres a more in-depth version also including criminal activity related to bestiality) <- also including more research below

'owdy!
No hard feelings whatsoever. I 100% respect yer opinion and thoughts on the matter.
I've got books from Kinsey, Johnson (from the famous 'Johnson & Johnson' fame), Mileski, and tons of other tomes about the natural world/animal behavior/et al. Lots of them touch on the topic at-hand, though most are simply field manuals or study guides towards animal husbandry and such. Do they grasp what 'Sex' really is/does? Doubtful. They're feeling the physiological urges that their bodies have, and trying to alleviate/satisfy them. 'Sex' in and of itself shouldn't be a bad thing. Hell, I truly feel badly for those who take an Oath of Abstinence! Talk about being pent-up!?
;-)

Where I find a significant difference in the 'Animals are equal to children (human), due to not possessing the intellect of an adult (human), is this-
A sexually mature animal is fully capable of initiating/instigating a sexual encounter (with just about anything really).
As for connecting with them emotionally? Here I agree to disagree with you. Animals can form extremely tight bonds (and I'm not talking kinky-stuff here), with their human partner/owner(s). I've seen animals who lost their person, mourn and die within days after the passing of the person due to grief. I've seen animals do the same thing if they lose a close friend/relative of their own. This can go on and on and on.

Never said, nor do I believe animals possess the same degree of intellect as a person can (my only caveat there would be with cetaceans, but we don't really KNOW enough to say for certain).

I fully realize that when you cross into sexually explicit interactions (Not in the Animal Husbandry or Medical areas), that is trespassing on some extremely intense emotions and mores/ethics of society. I think this is a good thing, and that it must be respected. There is already too much exploitation of the animal world. If that 'Line' in the sand were openly crossed and supported? Holy, hell, I hate to think of the terrible things MORE animals would be subjected to in the excuse of commercialism. (like the very real, very scary 'Animal Brothels' that are out there).

Kudos for understanding that basic animal nature (the leg-humpery), does NOT equate a deeper bond/attraction of an animal, at face-value. There are lots of other reasons they would do that.

Now, understand me. Again, I am saying- I do NOT promote or suggest that people should have sex with an animal.

There is far too much ignorance out there. I know too many would see such open acceptance as a 'Game ON!' sign to do whatever they pleased, and that would lead to abuse/cruelty...

Thanks for replying. Be well!
 

Mikazuki Marazhu

I hate you all
No but if someone's gonna call me a zoophile I'll just tell them I'm not, explain what furries are, and see what happens.
If they still think I'm a zoophile then there's likely no convincing them and I move on. If they don't wanna do their research and listen, why give any credence to what they say?

I already deal with people calling me a pedo due to some of my anime interests so its not like I'm not used to people saying stuff like that. Not that people SHOULD be used to it but...Well honestly I just blame society and people's quickness to look at the negative and let it shape their view.
Sheesh, I hate it when you sound reasonable
 

Inpw

Roller Coaster Imagineer.
liking cartoon animals doesn't require you to want to have sex with them. The whole argument here is that being a furry requires you to enjoy tiff. Not every furry enjoys jacking off to erotica.

Not speaking for myself though. I've had my personal time looking at anthro art turn into a mess. >.< But I have too admit I don't actively search for my kinks on FA...
 

TabbyTomCat

Well-Known Member
@An-Honest-Pie I bet this thread will be deleted as soon as the only FAF mod logs in. This community (specially FAF) is too sensitive/can't face unfavorable facts. Especially this one.
Furry community declares itself as open and very welcoming. But if you test that, it fails.

Uninformed public sees us as a soft version of zoophiles. There is a reason for that, the same reason why there is a good share of zoophiles in the fandom. We both (way too much) adore animals. Simple as that.
 
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Yakamaru

Your average Stand enjoyer
This feels too much like a Bahg alt to even bother to take the thread seriously.
 
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Scales42

Guest
This might be an unpopular opinion, but sometimes I wish the fandom would be a little less tolerant when it comes to very specific people. Zoos are among them.
 

FeministFoxFelicia

Foxy Felicia
Banned
I dont think the fandom turns people into zoophiles. It is more likely that zoos are just interested in the fandom as a whole.

Why would they want to be part of us, we aren’t exactly “real” and “authentic” animals. We put on fake suits and some of the more unhinged of us bark like dogs at anything that walks by but we aren’t actually animals.
 
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Scales42

Guest
Why would they want to be part of us, we aren’t exactly “real” and “authentic” animals. We put on fake suits and some of the more unhinged of us bark like dogs at anything that walks by but we aren’t actually animals.

It doesnt necessarily have to be something sexual.
I think it is very likely that someone who fetishizes animals, also has hobbies and interests involving them. And the fandom could be a way to express yourself without being immediatly persecuted.
 
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