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Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
Being a 3d artist for a long time and a photographer and art student In the past I am deeply worried about a rising trend of original and self creative content I am seeing on FA as of lately.

I've been noticing a line of 3d animations that have been asset flipped or just smushed into SFM and uploaded as "fresh content" and even to image files as well.

Reporting all these users via trouble tickets sounds not only like a nightmare but I feel the grounds of the AUP have completely been ignored or changed by the people who read them as see something else. Being a 3d modeler and sometimes and animator I feel disappointed and hurt by the fake content being served when the real robust work is ignored for these fake treats.

Real work takes a long time and the ugly futa mlp models thrown out or sfm or asset flipped models being used in full while people like me having taken months to stabilize our works and push them out are met with a sea of fake content and crappy made assets to make so called porn animations is just not only hurtful but damaging to the artistic real holistic talent of individual users that pride themselves in anthro artworks only to be met with modded screenshots of Skyrim characters, things lacking tags or content that isnt artwork.

I know the real issue is people not taking a stand on the AUP and enforcing it, it takes users of the site not just admins to keep the site in peace and running smoothly.
 

Dragoneer

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That's sort of the issue in general. There will always be those who merely rip game assets, pose them, and then state they've created "art". The problem is that art is inherently subjective from person to person, and for many, there's little differences between using something from SFM and modelling something in Poser. This has been been a long back-and-forth to protect 3D modellers/animators in the past, and I generally sided with those who really put a lot of work into creating something unique and from scratch. But there's a lot of counter discussion from other sides as well.

We tried to come to a compromise. It's not perfect, not by far. I believe those who put a lot of work and energy into creating something from scratch DO get rewarded. Their watchers recognize the difference, and they create a bigger following over time.
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
FA being such a big host for adult art and 3D/SFM being such a big thing I doubt policy's going to do anything to stem the flow of renders with premade models. They're already knowingly infringing copyright when they start doing paid SFM, it's doubtful they're going to think much of site guidelines.

I feel like more defined options for categorization would go a long way. If it were separated into something like "3D - Modeling/character art", "3D - Scenes/renders", "3D - Animations" and possibly a split between animations/renders using self-made assets and unoriginal ones would work, particularly if you're forced to pick a category when categorizing. It'd effectively separate content using self-made models from content that uses premades and that'd benefit artists that choose to focus on animation/rendering as well. Railroading it into picking a specific category would mean they'd either be more likely to pick the one that closest fits their content or just not have their stuff categorized alongside 3D at all.
 
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BahgDaddy

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I've really got no idea what this means. Can someone clarify this and pretend I'm a 5 year old?
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
I've really got no idea what this means. Can someone clarify this and pretend I'm a 5 year old?
People are using a program called Source Film Maker to mass produce pornography using characters from videogames and it's clogging up the 3D section of Furaffinity so severely that people who make original 3D art are having their work buried under all the low-effort SFM porn. The SFM porn is also against site policy and a lot of the users producing it are even running patreons and infringing copyright in many instances.

I think the thread title might be a typo of "Content lacking artistic merit" - saying that the mass produced SFM content doesn't have much artistic merit and is obscuring real art on the site.
 
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BahgDaddy

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People are using a program called Source Film Maker to mass produce pornography using characters from videogames and it's clogging up the 3D section of Furaffinity so severely that people who make original 3D art are having their work buried under all the low-effort SFM porn. The SFM porn is also against site policy and a lot of the users producing it are even running patreons and infringing copyright in many instances.

I think the thread title might be a typo of "Content lacking artistic merit" - saying that the mass produced SFM content doesn't have much artistic merit and is obscuring real art on the site.

Thanks for the clarification, and I agree. Porn can be art just like any other art form, and mass-producing it almost always is cheating and low quality.
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
Thanks for the clarification, and I agree. Porn can be art just like any other art form, and mass-producing it almost always is cheating and low quality.
The same thing's happening on Deviantart's 3D section and it's, uhhh

Even worse somehow. Since there's restrictions on posting straight-up porn there it's 80% Daz3D models with the muscle slider cranked up to extreme.
 
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BahgDaddy

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The same thing's happening on Deviantart's 3D section and it's, uhhh

Even worse somehow. Since there's restrictions on posting straight-up porn there it's 80% Daz3D models with the muscle slider cranked up to extreme.

I haven't been there. I generally peruse more tasteful art, anyhow, so cheap 3D porn usually throws me off.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
The same thing's happening on Deviantart's 3D section and it's, uhhh

Even worse somehow. Since there's restrictions on posting straight-up porn there it's 80% Daz3D models with the muscle slider cranked up to extreme.

OH MY GOSH
EVEN years ago when I was an art student, DA was riddled with DAZ3d horrors, I guess some things dont change..... But still some people on FA use it. Post a lot with it. So much for trying to show case my animation project when people cover the real indie works with fake porn from assets of a program.

I sincerely hoped DAZ3d would be dead by now.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
I think a new category system and tagging would be appropriate sorting out a lot of things. But it raises the question of will they still tag it correctly? A worry of mine growing like snowfall is that such users dont really tag their works anymore, even so they give it the wrong rating most of the time.

I doubt not tagging is personal and not against site rules but how will someone be able to find something if it isn't labeled correctly or put in the right category? I sometimes wish we had content police to go over the rule book and say "hey, speedos with no sexual content or sexual themes is not adult but mature"

Railroads...thats a good way of singing that!
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
OH MY GOSH
EVEN years ago when I was an art student, DA was riddled with DAZ3d horrors, I guess some things dont change..... But still some people on FA use it. Post a lot with it. So much for trying to show case my animation project when people cover the real indie works with fake porn from assets of a program.

I sincerely hoped DAZ3d would be dead by now.

I find the actual content on DA pretty hysterical, in the sense that it's so weird that you can't really help but laugh at it, but it's definitely the digital equivalent of a busted sewer pipe, flooding the place with crap.
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
I think a new category system and tagging would be appropriate sorting out a lot of things. But it raises the question of will they still tag it correctly? A worry of mine growing like snowfall is that such users dont really tag their works anymore, even so they give it the wrong rating most of the time.

I figure if they don't categorize it they'll put it in the default "all" category that uncategorized submissions go to. The guys flooding the 3D category are at least putting in the effort to tag it 3D, so I don't see why they'd tag it incorrectly. Even if some do, it'd surely have to divert some of the flooding.
 

Diretooth

Dire Wolf and Dragon Therianthrope
Yeah, I saw one of those in a watched artist's favorites and... yeah, it looks shitty. Hell, even though it blatantly states which anatomy it is, I thought it was something completely different. What could someone such as I do to help this situation?
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
I find the actual content on DA pretty hysterical, in the sense that it's so weird that you can't really help but laugh at it, but it's definitely the digital equivalent of a busted sewer pipe, flooding the place with crap.

And a bag of toxicity like a bladder and aorta full of septic shock. I have to say DA is the worst site of them all with no focus on artwork. It feels like a non game version of these pay to win games, with their "currency" system. Being a still life artist and sharing my work only got weird fantasy groups wanting to use the images I spent months on as lore RP icons. As if that makes sense.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
Help in what way?

Sadly such assets that are flipped are meant to copied and pasted as porn with no form, anatomy or care. The best thing would be to find out where you stand, and maybe hope some force makes them decide to make their own creations and models. I think we all can help by calling bullshit when we see it. Sounds harsh but malaria kills people, daydreams don't.

You could offer feedback on how bad it looks, but sadly people take that as an attack on what they do or want. You see these spammers want to create their own "reality" on the site. But making something a norm they only enjoy, but don't enjoy anything else. Its really a hard question to ask what you can do to help.

Sadly the fandom or any art community is based on always becoming better and not staying the same content wise. Since such models dont change well....thats part of their issues, never making good content. Because sadly art is about stable good content when it comes to being liked.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
I figure if they don't categorize it they'll put it in the default "all" category that uncategorized submissions go to. The guys flooding the 3D category are at least putting in the effort to tag it 3D, so I don't see why they'd tag it incorrectly. Even if some do, it'd surely have to divert some of the flooding.


I know this sounds silly as ice in may but wouldn't that be more damaging to place it in default? Just category wise?
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
I know this sounds silly as ice in may but wouldn't that be more damaging to place it in default? Just category wise?
What I'm saying is that the fact that the SFM accounts are putting it in the 3D category means they're at least making the effort to use categories. There's probably already spammy SFM content going into the "all" category alongside all the other typical stuff that the AUP doesn't allow, like game screenshots.
 

Ciderfine

Slow as sickness but true as sap
Banned
I don't know, is there some sort of report function that I'm not seeing on the main site?

There is but I dont think thats going to solve the issue, as dragoneer said a lot that makes sense. But the issue is on people who upload questionable content.
 

Butt_Ghost

Caffeine-based lifeform.
I just realized there's no *actual* 3D category like there is for digital art, writing, sculpting etc. I just sort of assumed there would be one.
That'd be a start.
 
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