Could Ghosts and such be real? Debate/Theories

[TrixieFox]

SO... I've been watching some ghost hunters' vlogs recently and there always seems to be one thing in common... a slight distortion of light and the pets are the only ones to see them... therefore if ghosts are real they would have to be on the spectrum of light that humans cannot see

 

[The_Happiest_Husky]

Nah, if they were we'd have actual evidence

 

[Amepix]

But some people are able too, apparently. And some children are also able to see things that seemingly aren't there. I know I've seen a shadow person in my life.

Before you ask, no it wasn't sleep paralysis as I could move and screamed my lungs out.

 

[ben909]

the human mind is wired to find certan things and patterns very quickly, but this is not always accurate, its why people manage to find faces in clouds and such, there is a benifit to recognizing a pattern in someones vission quickly, and a limited(from an evolution pov) amount of harm done by misidentifying a could or burnt toast

there is no saying this does not apply to other animals as well, it actually seems more likely they have the issue

 

[Fritzy525]

Okay so I don't know if this is the right thread for this but... well f*ck it. I actually have two ghost stories to share for this particular topic. Personally, I 100% believe in them. Here's why:

My first story is from when I was about... 5? maybe 6?? Anyway, it was nighttime, and I was in my room lying in bed. My bedroom door was, like, cracked open about 6 inches. It was almost COMPLETELY dark and absolutely silent in the house. I was just in bed and all of a sudden, I just see a translucent light blue figure just hover across the hall. It didn't make any noise, it just, rolled right through. On top of that, it looked like it was wearing tattered, ripped clothes.

My second story involved me using a Ouija board. I was with a friend of mine when we did it. I was doubtful at first, but the pointer started moving. And it started to create words. IT WAS SO WEIRD because it didn't even feel unnatural or anything. It just sorta... happened. Anyway, we ended up contacting my friend's grandfather, who had passed away a few years ago.

Anyway, those are my experiences. Also, I would like to point out that I even asked my friend if she was moving the pointer and she said no. And she's the most honest person I've EVER met. Like, I don't think she's ever told a lie. That's what really freaks me out.

 

[Mambi]

SO... I've been watching some ghost hunters' vlogs recently and there always seems to be one thing in common... a slight distortion of light and the pets are the only ones to see them... therefore if ghosts are real they would have to be on the spectrum of light that humans cannot see

I'll quote myself from a chat I had on this very topic with another user to save some typing. (so if they recognize the paragraphs they won't be too surprised <grin>):

First off, according to string theory in quantum physics, we live in a 3 dimensional world for our convenience but all indications are there are more physical dimensions outside our ability to perceive. Either 10 or 26 specifically, depending on the sub-theory still in debate, but clearly more than 3. Our bodies and minds limit us to perceiving these 3 directions only, so that’s what we know and adapted to. As cavemen we didn’t really need to worry about tiger attacks from any other direction other than our 3 known ones after all. Effectively our world is up/down/right/left/forward/back only. That’s the universe as we can visualize it.

Now it’s metaphor time to help you wrap your head around it and what this means relating to ghosts:

Picture if WE lived in just a 2 dimensional world…like on a piece of paper. We’re flat and we know of forward and back and left and right…but “up” and “down” are literally inconceivable to us. If you stack 500 sheets of paper on each other, each will be their own universe but even if they’re touching it’s irrelevant as it’s still “above” out paper-world thus we can’t fathom the direction it’s in and thus are unaware totally. It might as well be in the direction of “gaita” as far as we’re concerned, and WTF is “gaita”? (I made up that word BTW for the example). So far so good? Now comes the fun part!!!

As a 3 dimensional “god” or ghost (spirit freed from the body), you can see everything in this paper-world all at once just by looking “down” on it. Even objects inside houses are perceptible, sealed vaults are just an outline with the contents showing from your POV, as are the internal organs of the inhabitants. They literally cannot hide from you as you’re looking “down” on them from above. If you see a cancerous growth inside them you can just reach in and cut it “up” and away without piercing their skin, but from their POV, it just disappeared miraculously with nothing cutting into the patient! If you grab or place an object and lift it off the paper, from their POV it just disappeared and reappeared. If you speak, they’ll hear the 2D component of your voice coming from nowhere and distorted (as it’s only vibrating the air forwards and back in their world, not a full soundwave). If you enter their world by passing down through it, they’ll only see a 2D slice of whatever part you passed into their paper, again appearing from nowhere. If you get close enough and shine a light “down” on the paper world, a translucent image will appear distorted in their world from nothing, and this image can easily pass through walls if they try and run away in fear. They have no privacy from you, and you can fuck with them all you wish as they can’t even conceive of how to perceive you. If they are above you touching you from that dimension and are cold, that sensation of cold will pass to you with no apparent source.

I assume you can see all the ghost/diety comparisons so far in that world? I just described all the traditional "ghosty stuff" in the above paragraph, right?

Now combining the 2 points, I believe we are 3 dimensional beings in a 3D world (obviously), and the gods/spirits/ghosts are 4D ones (or higher). What we see as miracles are just objects being manipulated from an unseen dimension they have access to. When we die the “go towards the light” reported from near-death people could be our spirit trying to interpret the 3D component of the 4D world we find ourselves in now that we’re freed from our bodies? Other gods/etc can help us and guide us in this new reality until we’re ready to explore it with our new knowledge. Others don’t get it and become “wandering ghosts”, occasionally stumbling onto our world and latching onto the only thing they remember and what makes sense until they “move on” (i.e, learn to go in the other unknown directions, effectively leaving our universe and rising above or the direction “gaita” it). <giggle>

The gods get a home that makes sense, ghosts get a physical mechanism on HOW they interact with us, their actions get a logical explanation as to HOW they do what they do and why we can’t see them clearly, and deities and spirit worlds start to make more sense.

Now obviously there are a few deep assumptions in this theory, and who knows if it will ever be proven totally, but that’s why we’re a young species and not an advanced one. We don’t know so we’re guessing…but my brain needed this to even begin to understand gods. Church just said “God’s in heaven” and threw up their arms on literally any attempt to explain further. People say "Ghosts exists, like magic!" and that's all.

I needed more and found it in string theory.

 

[ben909]

But some people are able too, apparently. And some children are also able to see things that seemingly aren't there. I know I've seen a shadow person in my life.

Before you ask, no it wasn't sleep paralysis as I could move and screamed my lungs out.

are you sure it wasn't a dream, noteably if sort of waking up but not fully?

 

[TrixieFox]

I've seen a dead friend dripping blood (they seemed very real)

 

[Amepix]

are you sure it wasn't a dream, noteably if sort of waking up but not fully?

considering the fact of how vividly I remember it, the fact I could hear my mother running up the stairs towards my room, and the fact that the shadow person who was approaching me vanished just, and I mean JUST a few seconds BEFORE, the door opened. I have a hard time believing it was a trick of the light, and the fact I could feel the tears streaming down my face, my mother holding me, and the fact I didn't fall asleep yet that night. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a dream, or sleep paralysis.

 

[TyraWadman]

Maybe the world is like Photoshop and other lives exist on different 'layers' and things overlap and that's the ghosts we sometimes see due to 'bugs'?

I've only experienced sleep paralysis though so I don't believe in paranormal activities nonsense.

 

[ben909]

considering the fact of how vividly I remember it, the fact I could hear my mother running up the stairs towards my room, and the fact that the shadow person who was approaching me vanished just, and I mean JUST a few seconds BEFORE, the door opened. I have a hard time believing it was a trick of the light, and the fact I could feel the tears streaming down my face, my mother holding me, and the fact I didn't fall asleep yet that night. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a dream, or sleep paralysis.

ok, however, some people can actually remember dreams pretty well, especially nightmares

chances are what you saw was something else, but your brain labeled it wrong, this is very common, especially in the dark

 

[TrixieFox]

considering the fact of how vividly I remember it, the fact I could hear my mother running up the stairs towards my room, and the fact that the shadow person who was approaching me vanished just, and I mean JUST a few seconds BEFORE, the door opened. I have a hard time believing it was a trick of the light, and the fact I could feel the tears streaming down my face, my mother holding me, and the fact I didn't fall asleep yet that night. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a dream, or sleep paralysis.

I have Insomnia and people blame my theory on hallucinations but Ik what I see... rare times... yes... but Ik what I see

 

[Vanessa Howl]

Of course they are. Anyone that says otherwise simply has no idea what they're talking about. Not every ACCOUNT is real, of course not just because some aren't doesn't mean they all aren't.

In other words: if you know, you know.

 

[Fritzy525]

ok, however, some people can actually remember dreams pretty well, especially nightmares

chances are what you saw was something else, but your brain labeled it wrong, this is very common, especially in the dark

WE ARE NOT CRAZY

 

[TrixieFox]

WE ARE NOT CRAZY

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

 

[Amepix]

I find it interesting how different people interpret things.

I'm especially creeped out by my story, as, I know for a fact it wasn't a dream or a nightmare, as I never, and I mean never, remember my dreams or nightmares.

 

[TrixieFox]

Its fun seeing the different standings and the defense some people have for their theories *hands @Mambi the award for in depth defense*

 

[ben909]

WE ARE NOT CRAZY

i never said you were

 

[Marius Merganser]

I personally had a classic paranormal experience and I'm still not inclined to believe in ghosts.

 

[RamblingRenegade]

I have many stories, I'm at work just posting so I can find this thread later. We actually contacted one of those ghost shows on TV, they basically said good luck with that you're on your own

 

[Foxridley]

Well, one big source of skepticism for me: in the past 20 years or so, the number of people carrying cameras with them everywhere they go has risen dramatically, but it seems that we have not had a similar increase in photos and videos of paranormal phenomena.

SO... I've been watching some ghost hunters' vlogs recently and there always seems to be one thing in common... a slight distortion of light and the pets are the only ones to see them... therefore if ghosts are real they would have to be on the spectrum of light that humans cannot see

Some animals are able to see into a bit of the ultraviolet part of the spectrum that humans can't see. I don't know about near-infrared in animals (that's not the same as the heat-sensing pits of certain snakes), but security cameras usually use near-infrared at night, and modifying a digital camera for near-infrared photography isn't hard.

 

[Pomorek]

Of course they are. Anyone that says otherwise simply has no idea what they're talking about. Not every ACCOUNT is real, of course not just because some aren't doesn't mean they all aren't.

In other words: if you know, you know.

While I tend to be the science guy more often than not, I also know that strange shit happens which is not always explainable in any straightforward way (and I don't just mean plain old ghosts). And appealing to hallucination and mistake in every single damn case of an anomalous incident feels so overused that it almost amounts to a fallacy in itself.

 

[Deleted member 160111]

I've experienced a hallucination a couple of times. And I don't believe in mysticism. It's fun, but not scientific.
Hold on, I immediately remembered the introXD

 

[Vanessa Howl]

While I tend to be the science guy more often than not, I also know that strange shit happens which is not always explainable in any straightforward way (and I don't just mean plain old ghosts). And appealing to hallucination and mistake in every single damn case of an anomalous incident feels so overused that it almost amounts to a fallacy in itself.

A true scientist factors in every possibility, no matter how unlikely in the quest to discover the truth (no matter how unbelievable). Science does not limit itself only to what makes sense to the scientist.

 

[Fallowfox]

They not real.