ben909
vaporeon character != mushroom characters
semi pointless side comment, is a compression artifact or optical illusion a "real" thing in your def
Could Ghosts and such be real? Debate/Theories
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Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
The word 'artifact' answers that question, doesn't it? ;D
The paranormal experiences people report are, like you suggest, illusions produced by our fallible brains that don't always give us the right answers as they try to create models of the surrounding world out of noisy input- which is why ghosts usually appear to people when they're tired, scared, when it's getting dark etc. So when those models suggest something is there- and it's not- then yes it's legitimate to say it's not real.
ben909
vaporeon character != mushroom characters
ok, that makes sense
my view personally is that these "illusions" are in fact real in the sense that they are misidentifications of actual things that the mind then fills in, especially common ones, an optical illusion is "real" in the sense that it can be defined and often reproduced, and thus has an existence, even if its existence is marking an error
this difference is part of why i commented in this thread
a sleepy kitty
I'm eggscellent.
Maybe? Not sure. I've has experiences with the "paranormal" before.
Baron Tredegar
Master of Forgotten Lore
I believe there are things in this universe we are incapable of fully understanding. I do believe spirits exist and I believe they have different names across multiple cultures.
They are outside of our understanding and should be respected.
They are outside of our understanding and should be respected.
Floxxi
New Member
So that’s A strange thing about it, if ghosts are real then how is it that we aren’t able to observe them. The reason why you see such similarities in these vlogs is because it is extremely easy to have a distortion of the light through a lens. Water pellets on a lense will cause distortion of the image.
Rayd
profound asshole
i do believe ghosts can exist, just not in any way they're depicted in shock value media. i think if they do exist, there's no way they could interact with the physical world or be detected in any way. whenever i think about possible afterlives, i think a potential "spirit world" could be possible, where it's basically just the real world but from a spectating point-of-view, with other bizarre/trippy elements.
Vino The Strange-One
Well-Known Member
This thread is suddenly becoming a cult or something.
Anyways. On my opinion, I don't really care if ghosts are real or not. Even if they exist, who says that I couldn't confuse them with a zombie or something? Heck, even other unknown beings should exist in the world.
All I'm trying to say is that maybe what I see it's not a ghost. But a flicker of imagination or an eldritch being that I confused with a ghost.
Anyways. On my opinion, I don't really care if ghosts are real or not. Even if they exist, who says that I couldn't confuse them with a zombie or something? Heck, even other unknown beings should exist in the world.
All I'm trying to say is that maybe what I see it's not a ghost. But a flicker of imagination or an eldritch being that I confused with a ghost.
Inferndragon
Dragon Doodler with a Tail Snake
Well there are moments in time where you see things in the corner of your eye. Then you look back and they vanish.
Usually your brain sees something and tries to piece it together. Your brain wants to explain why certain things exist.
When you connect the dots you instantly try to use logic. So you perceive it as a ghost.
Ghosts are more after images of your mind piecing stuff together. Especially when you are delirious you are more likely to come to that conclusion.
Usually your brain sees something and tries to piece it together. Your brain wants to explain why certain things exist.
When you connect the dots you instantly try to use logic. So you perceive it as a ghost.
Ghosts are more after images of your mind piecing stuff together. Especially when you are delirious you are more likely to come to that conclusion.
Vino The Strange-One
Well-Known Member
Ah yes. Sleep deprived.
I understand what you're saying. It's more logical to see weird things in the night after watching a horror movie.
CreachureComforts
bonehead
There are a lot of stories about ghosts, but I just end up wondering why these supposed ghosts care about showing themselves to us so much. Or why would a 4D creature want to interact with us, why are we so special that this being only wants to interact with people.
Obviously there's a bias at play there, you can't exactly tell ghost stories about things that happened in places you weren't at to experience. But I don't really hear much about, for lack of better examples, ghosts in space
Obviously there's a bias at play there, you can't exactly tell ghost stories about things that happened in places you weren't at to experience. But I don't really hear much about, for lack of better examples, ghosts in space
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Deleted member 160111
Guest
Scaring people is fun. I understand them. If I were a ghost, that's what I'd be doing.
There are no ghosts in space. There are silicon crabs.
ConorHyena
From out of the rain.
I've had enough hallucinations in my time to be fully aware that if your brain wants you to see something, you'll see something, and if your brain wants you to think its a ghost, it is a ghost.
What we percieve as reality is created by our brains in the first place, for better or for worse.
I do not think ghosts are real. Most of my family does though. My gran is convinced parts of her cellar are haunted.
What we percieve as reality is created by our brains in the first place, for better or for worse.
I do not think ghosts are real. Most of my family does though. My gran is convinced parts of her cellar are haunted.
Pomorek
Antelope-Addicted Hyena
After all those years I still get to wonder, what kind of "error of perception" caused this glass jar of blue paint to lunge itself a whole meter forward across horizontal top surface of a crate, with sufficient force to fly another meter from the edge and smash itself on the concrete floor, leaving a stain that would be visible for years to come... Most immediate answer could have been a rat since it was a workshop space, except in that case it would have to be an invisible one. And quite strong and determined too, I've never encountered a jar-throwing rat otherwise.
I absolutely do not claim it must have been a dead person's hand that did it. The place hasn't been considered "haunted" in any way. But in any case, how the fuck do I explain this event? It shouldn't happen. Yet it did.
It kind of offends the scientific part of my mind that I witnessed it. But not only that, it had consequences. I couldn't have further touch-ups of my bicycle done because the paint got all wasted.
This kind of little "glitches in Matrix" indicate to me that there's more to the world than the strict scientific interpretation tries to tell us. Sure thing, people "see things", people misinterpret, people make stuff up all the time. But buried in all that chaff there are occasional rare hard nuggets that don't let themselves to be just explained away that easily.
Now, I fully understand that such outlier events don't form a material that can be properly investigated. But to say they aren't real because the statistical methods tells us to reject such measurements? Sure. Yet still, the damn jar decided to lunge itself forward while being inside my field of view. And scientific thinking didn't make it become whole again.
I absolutely do not claim it must have been a dead person's hand that did it. The place hasn't been considered "haunted" in any way. But in any case, how the fuck do I explain this event? It shouldn't happen. Yet it did.
It kind of offends the scientific part of my mind that I witnessed it. But not only that, it had consequences. I couldn't have further touch-ups of my bicycle done because the paint got all wasted.
This kind of little "glitches in Matrix" indicate to me that there's more to the world than the strict scientific interpretation tries to tell us. Sure thing, people "see things", people misinterpret, people make stuff up all the time. But buried in all that chaff there are occasional rare hard nuggets that don't let themselves to be just explained away that easily.
Now, I fully understand that such outlier events don't form a material that can be properly investigated. But to say they aren't real because the statistical methods tells us to reject such measurements? Sure. Yet still, the damn jar decided to lunge itself forward while being inside my field of view. And scientific thinking didn't make it become whole again.
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Deleted member 160111
Guest
Oh, was that your jar? Sorry, I didn't mean to. it came out, well, not on purpose. Sometimes I jerk my paw sharply and oh, damn.
I'm so sorry!
I'm embarrassed that I did this to you, but I'm glad that after so many years I was able to apologize!
Yes. Well, now everyone here knows why I didn't leave the home:/
Pomorek
Antelope-Addicted Hyena
Oh, but don't be so harsh on yourself. It must have been just a hallucination after all. While sure, it had more than one witness and it left material traces. But that's what happens when people try to connect the dots and look for patterns too hard, no?
Starbeak
Born in Space, endlessly exploring star-systems
"Are ghosts real"?? That question will have 2 different answers from 1 billion different people.
For me: I believe so, Yes.
Explanation: There isn't really anything to explain other than: I can only believe so because I also believe in dimensions, extraterrestrials, Universes and all things astronomical. They very well could be one in the same. Some believe that ghosts go to a different plane of existence as do extraterrestrials.
There is no proof of this, but I am open to to the idea of it. ^v^'
For me: I believe so, Yes.
Explanation: There isn't really anything to explain other than: I can only believe so because I also believe in dimensions, extraterrestrials, Universes and all things astronomical. They very well could be one in the same. Some believe that ghosts go to a different plane of existence as do extraterrestrials.
There is no proof of this, but I am open to to the idea of it. ^v^'
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
The unexplained things people attribute to ghosts are always so lame.
Like...a book flew off of a shelf, a car started with nobody in it, a television turned itself on.
I can't think of a rational explanation for those truly boring things, so I guess there must be something supernatural going on.
If I was a multi-dimensional ghost doing unexplainable things I'd just want to do cooler stuff than that, rather than spending eternity moving around glasses on oujia boards or frightening children.
Like...a book flew off of a shelf, a car started with nobody in it, a television turned itself on.
I can't think of a rational explanation for those truly boring things, so I guess there must be something supernatural going on.
If I was a multi-dimensional ghost doing unexplainable things I'd just want to do cooler stuff than that, rather than spending eternity moving around glasses on oujia boards or frightening children.
MiwaKitsune
Purple fox with healing magic
a lot of people claim to have evidence. My best friends are Catholic and the two of them (they're siblings) both swear they saw the spirit of a saint's dog in their house. I personally don't know what to think about the story, but those two have absolutely no reason to lie about that, especially when it's religiously very emotional for them. I don't want to discredit stories like that but I also can't fully believe or decide either way until I have proof myself
Fallowfox
Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
Don't people have lots of reasons to say they've seen ghosts, or generously interpret something they saw as a ghost? (they might not even think it is a 'lie' per se)
Ghost stories can be fun, and make you the centre of attention, even if other people don't really believe them.
and attesting a religious experience can earn somebody more respect in the eyes of other religious devotees, who are seeking validation of their faith in the experiences of others.
Raever
Chaotic Neutral Wreckage
I go by the standard rule of thumb that if it's for money, it's probably fake. As an eclectic witch, I have a theory on this (having to do with the mind, perspective, and the scientific laws of energy), but I don't think any of it would be useful in a discussion starting with the Ghost Hunting trend. In short - if you believe it's fake, it's fake. If not, avoid believing what you see on TV and instead look inward. You're more likely to find satisfying answers there. [insert obligatory ghost in the shell reference]
MiwaKitsune
Purple fox with healing magic
lying about seeing something spiritual in a religious sense for attention is horrible. My ex strived to be a devout Catholic and he would never make up a ghost story just for "respect." Sure, I don't know if I believe the story myself, but I know HE would feel like a shitty person if he made that up. I've heard many other stories during my short time in church and trying to argue whether or not ghosts are real without adding spiritual/religious aspects just doesn't make sense. Yes, I do believe many stories are made up, but no, I don't believe he just came up with that one for attention.