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Critique Option for Pictures

Critique Option?

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Victoria Viper

Draws Lots of Hairy People
An idea I had for the next FA upgrade: I, personally, would love having a "Critique Encouraged/Optional/Discouraged" option on pictures. I know that some artists would really love to have their work nitpicked into little pieces, whereas others would rather never hear a bad word spoken about their creations. It'd be nice to know who wants what, especially for folks like me who just like to roam around and randomly comment on things. :)

So, what do you think about this? Seem like a good idea to add to the new FurAffinity?
 

yak

Site Developer
Administrator
anyone else?
 

dave hyena

A wonderous moorhen
There's already too few critique comments and far too many in the "*ejaculates over the yiffy foxy*" vein, and this would only add to the imbalance.
 

Tensik

Member
I think the current option of typing "give me critique!" is just fine. The OP's assumption that people who say "discouraged" just don't want to hear bad things about their work is a perfect example of why I don't think it worked on y! and why I would not like to see it here; many people put discouraged for many different reasons. They just don't care and are there for fun, it's a practice piece and they are already aware of the problems with it, or any time they ask for critique they never get anything worthwhile and are just tired of it. I saw too many people who would get flamed as elitist for clicking "discouraged", I don't want to see it here too.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Critique is just a thurough analysis of your work, this can be good or bad, even both.

So saying critique discouraged means you ALSO don't want to hear why it is good. So don't complain when you use that option.

Also, it might be good to disable comments, like if someone on the community does a commission, and just wants to display it, but doesn't want comments the piece. Although, to be honest, it's best not to even post a commission unless the commissioner says it is ok to do so.
 

NeonGryphon

New Member
I think it’s a useful feature, though it has the potential of making you look rather obstinate with a massive ‘no critique!’ banner slapped under your art. For older archive images that I just posted for fun, I always mention in the description something like: ‘old image, errors all noted, critique welcome but not required.’ That normally covers it.
 

Wolfblade

Member
She did include an "optional" option. People who care one way or another can select whether they actively want critique or actively don't want them. People who don't care either way can select 'optional'. Or maybe leave the critique space blank by default, so people who don't want it don't have to check anything at all, but its still there for the people who would like to have it.

Sometimes you can give somebody something they want and still leave an option open for the people who don't want it. It doesn't really make sense to not have an optional feature just because not everyone would want to use it. That's why it's optional. A method that can satisfy both sides of a question tends to be better than a method that only satisfies one or the other.

As far as people being judgemental over someone who doesn't want critiques, that's going to happen regardless. People like to judge anyone who doesn't simply give them whatever they want as being 'against them'. An artist who says 'no critiques' is a stuck up snob who thinks he's too good for them. Someone who asks for money when someone has a request is just a sell-out and full of themself. Anyone who likes to choose their own friends and doesnt want to be the bestest buddy of every fanboy to email them is an elitist. Sometimes people have reasons for not giving people what they want other than being just a jerk and out to spoil their fun.

With rare exception, people exhibiting poor behavior like that shouldn't be a reason to not implement a feature that a lot of users would like, and isn't being forced on the ones who wouldn't like to use it.
 

Kindar

Member
I'd love a critique option
 
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN BE MORE LIKE DEVIANTART?

I SUGGEST WE REPLACE THE FOX DUDE MAN THING WITH A FELLA-ESQUE CHARACTER.
 

dave hyena

A wonderous moorhen
RE:  Critique Option for Pictures

As has been pointed out, critique means all comments about a picture, therefore the no critique option should simply disable comments on a picture.
 

Wolfblade

Member
Dave Hyena said:
As has been pointed out, critique means all comments about a picture, therefore the no critique option should simply disable comments on a picture.

Not everyone shares that definition. ^_^

When someone says "critique" most people think criticism and corrections. Like how it was just naturally assumed even in this thread that a critique flag and comment disabling are two separate things. Some people got fewer comments on Y!G with the critique discouraged, but it doesn't stop people from commenting altogether.

Disabling comments falls under the same category as the critique flag. If it's a doable option that some people want, isn't something that leaves much room for abuse, and isn't something forced on anybody, there's no reason to not implement it.

I_Own_Charles said:
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN BE MORE LIKE DEVIANTART?

Sometimes another service might have a good idea, even if the rest of the service is crap. Not doing something that would be good or wanted for this service just because it's similar to something on a service people might not like is silly.

FA wants to be better for its users. If somebody else comes up with something that their users like, and our users want, what should they do? Ignore it because our users don't like that other service? Or not do a good idea just because people would accuse them of ripping it off? There's very little in the way or original ideas anymore. I can guarantee that any idea you could say someone 'stole' from someone else has most likely been done already somewhere else by a completely unrelated third party.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
You know what, if people do not understand what the word critique means, they by all means shouldn't ask for an option to discourage it.

If someone gave you a thorough analysis of your work telling you why the like your color choice, composition and overall presentation, it is a CRITIQUE. It means someone actually took the time to LOOK at your work to give you a thoughtful comment. Go look up the definition, for a change instead of "oh everyone's definition is different"

Last time I recall people weren't using Orange to describe the color "Black"
 

facek

Member
Or you could have different kinds of comments, someone could submit a standard ditto comment or a critique comment and the poster has the option of making critique comments public, private, or just making them not show up.
 

PostalRoo

Member
RE:  Critique Option for Pictures

Arshes Nei said:
Last time I recall people weren't using Orange to describe the color "Black"

I am... I give kids pieces of asphault and tell them every day that they're oranges... they learn an important lesson while spending the next days after in the hospital.

Anyways, this doesn't seem like a useful feature and I even wonder why DeviantArt even has this (aside from the ability to disable comments). As well noted before, this would only bring less comments than some pieces already get. Let's not make this the DeviantArt site for porn.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
PostalRoo said:
As well noted before, this would only bring less comments than some pieces already get. Let's not make this the DeviantArt site for porn.

Let's not forget how as artists we want our cake and eat it too. You get artists whining already about whether or not they get a comment with a +fav, you get artists whining about how they only get "oh that's cool" or "neat"

The number of times every day about how the comments are meaningless, now people want an option that says "oh cool" "neat" but then complain that's all they get. Well if you disable critique you just said "I don't want to know why you like this piece, don't detail it"

Critique doesn't mean "I don't want bad comments"

Critique is "ok after looking at this piece for a bit, can you say why you like it or hate it"

And yeah, there's something that's just bizzare about worrying about whether or not you get a critique on porn. o_O What, "critique discouraged because I put the penis upside down"?
 

Wolfblade

Member
I_Own_Charles said:
Hey Wolfblade let's not put words/ideas into people's mouths next time, aiight? ^+^

I'm sorry, I genuinely can't imagine what else you had meant your remark to mean. :3

If you weren't meaning to imply that you felt the suggestion this thread makes is somehow making the site more like Deviantart, and that you disapprove of that sarcastically, what were you trying to say? ^_^

Arshes Nei said:
You know what, if people do not understand what the word critique means, they by all means shouldn't ask for an option to discourage it.

If someone gave you a thorough analysis of your work telling you why the like your color choice, composition and overall presentation, it is a CRITIQUE. It means someone actually took the time to LOOK at your work to give you a thoughtful comment. Go look up the definition, for a change instead of "oh everyone's definition is different"

Last time I recall people weren't using Orange to describe the color "Black"

Or, ^_^

The people asking for the option ARE aware of the proper meaning of the word, and want the option to avoid dealing with people who do not know what a real critique is. You and I might know the actual meaning of critique, but most people who offer them tend to be less informed. I would like to have this option to avoid dealing with people who think "this sucks, his arm looks stupid, that guy's not muscular enough, and there shouldn't be that much jizz" is a proper critique.

Gay meant happy. But then it meant homosexual. Now, with "that's gay" it just generaly means 'stupid' with very little reference whatsoever to homosexuality. Popular use of a word shifts it's definition. No matter what the "right" definition of a word may be, ignoring the most commonly used definition of it is just as ignorant as the people using the word incorrectly.

Also, I find your response to be needlessly hostile. ^_^

facek said:
Or you could have different kinds of comments, someone could submit a standard ditto comment or a critique comment and the poster has the option of making critique comments public, private, or just making them not show up.

Basically, screening comments. People get to pick which comments they make visible and which ones stay hidden.

And anyone who only makes pleasant comments visible gets accused of trying to stifle any criticism against them. Which they'd also be accused of if they simply turned comments off, or put a user on ignore, or basically did anything other than just take the abuse. :3

Arshes Nei said:
a lot of stuff about whining

Have we mentioned that this would be an option, and as such would likely only be used by people who either want what the option will bring, or who just aren't able to understand that they don't have to click it?

People who want more comments aren't likely to select the option to get fewer comments. I don't know, that just seems like one of those "obvious" things to me. I apologise if I somehow make people mad that I fail to understand how giving people this option, something some might like to have and those who don't like it, don't have to use it, is such a disagreeable thing.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
The problem is the "option" is based on an idea that lacks education of what the term means. Why perpetuate ignorance?

It would be just as bad as arguing over "@" being a symbol of copyright.
 

facek

Member
Wolfblade said:
Basically, screening comments. People get to pick which comments they make visible and which ones stay hidden.

And anyone who only makes pleasant comments visible gets accused of trying to stifle any criticism against them. Which they'd also be accused of if they simply turned comments off, or put a user on ignore, or basically did anything other than just take the abuse. :3

Did I say screening comments? What I said was when posting a picture you have the option to make critique comments, public, private, or turn them off when you submit a piece of art. Did I say turn "a comment" public, private or turn it off? No. I said comments, as in a whole, you can have all critique comments public, all critique comments private, or all critique comments not shown to public or yourself (I call this In Denial Mode.) I guess I should have made my post more clear.
 

Wolfblade

Member
Arshes Nei said:
The problem is the "option" is based on an idea that lacks education of what the term means. Why perpetuate ignorance?

It would be just as bad as arguing over "@" being a symbol of copyright.

Until it is expressly stated that this site is intended for education, I am going to continue working with the assumption, based on all visible evidence at hand, that THIS site, is intended for entertainment purposes. As such, the primary decision making factor should generally be "what will make this more entertaining/enjoyable for our users?"

And I still fail to see any detriment at all that giving this option to those who want it will cause to those who don't.

If giving people who want this somehow negatively affects those who don't, please inform me of how, and everyone can discuss that. That's what a forum is for; discussion of disagreements, not simply disagreeing to disagree.

On the topic of proper critiques: don't let it be enough to simply disagree with this option, tell us whyyou disagree with it.

And if your only disagreement is that it fails to properly educate people of the correct meaning of "critique", then, despite my feeling that educating is outside the site's purpose, maybe you can give us a suggestion of how the site could accomodate the people who want this option, while also satisfying your desire to educate people on the proper meaning of critique.

Like this perhaps: "Instead of just having 'critique encouraged/dicouraged', also have a little info bubble beside the option with a convenient and proper definition of what an actual "critique" is."

There, everybody's happy. ^_^

facek said:
Did I say screening comments? What I said was when posting a picture you have the option to make critique comments, public, private, or turn them off when you submit a piece of art. Did I say turn "a comment" public, private or turn it off? No. I said comments, as in a whole, you can have all critique comments public, all critique comments private, or all critique comments not shown to public or yourself (I call this In Denial Mode.) I guess I should have made my post more clear.

Sorry for the misunderstanding X3

That's actually a more in-depth idea, and something that might be more work, but would be cool to consider. How's this sound for what you're suggesting:

When a user goes to make a comment on a submission, they can check a box stating whether it is a critique or just a comment. The artist can have the options you suggested to hide, screen, show, or totally ignore posts, depending on whether they are marked comment or critique.

Is that more along the lines of what you were proposing?

If so, I would think that to be a very nifty option, and wouldn't see any reason why both these suggestions wouldn't be pretty decent options to have. ^_^
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Someone selects "Critique Discouraged"

Person receives the following comments:

A: I really don't like this piece because I think the colors are horrible and they clash

B: I really like this piece, you carried an emotional depth to it.

Both are critiques. However, who will get reported and take up the moderator's time because of ignorance?
 
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